Batman Returns dark?

[Numez]

For that matter is the corny dialogue kind of dark.

Well, Returns must have hit the nail on the head then with such wonderful lines as, "It's true I was their number one son... but they treated me like number two!" and "Eat floor, high fiber."

 

[Cain]

lol@El Payaso overexplained exposition truly gives me nightmares.

Oh and yes though Returns has it's fair share of cornball dialogue nothing in that film tops

"It's time my enemies shared my dread" no really? I thought you just wanted a compliment on your costume.

or

"nice coat" yeah hell of a way to ruin a classic scene there tough guy

"excuse me" Schumacher tributes? how could this be?

"A man is just flesh and blood and can be ignored or destroyed" gee I did not know that.

 

[Numez]

I'm tired of arguing. Nolan fans need to leave these threads. It's getting annoying even for me. I've tried to defend them, but this is getting out of hand. Just stop it.

 

[Cain]

I'm tired of arguing. Nolan fans need to leave these threads. It's getting annoying even for me. I've tried to defend them, but this is getting out of hand. Just stop it.

I'm just playing along with the tone of your post if it bothers you so much you shouldn't have walked that line. I'm neither Burtonite nor Nolanite BTW I'm a Batmanite above everything else and appreciate both visions but I also love to just josh around.

 

[El Payaso]

Well, Returns must have hit the nail on the head then with such wonderful lines as, "It's true I was their number one son... but they treated me like number two!" and "Eat floor, high fiber."

It hit the nail. Returns never pretended to be the ultimate realistic serious approach.

lol@El Payaso overexplained exposition truly gives me nightmares.

I know what you mean.


In any case I was all against bringing BB to a BR thread as I am about bringing Burton movies to the BB threads just because.

 

[Numez]

I'm just playing along with the tone of your post if it bothers you so much you shouldn't have walked that line. I'm neither Burtonite nor Nolanite BTW I'm a Batmanite above everything else and appreciate both visions but I also love to just josh around.

It needs to stop on both sides.

To be honest, I don't think that any of these movies are good enough to justify such passionate debates.

 

[hulkamania85]

For that matter Begins is the corny dialogue kind of dark.

Explain please?

Really it's probably best not to overanalyze this stuff. If you look too hard at anything you're going to find faults in it. Just sit back and be entertained.

 

[Numez]

Explain please?

Really it's probably best not to overanalyze this stuff. If you look too hard at anything you're going to find faults in it. Just sit back and be entertained.

That's dumb. You don't need to overanalyze Batman Begins to realize that the dialogue is corny at times.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Well, Returns must have hit the nail on the head then with such wonderful lines as, "It's true I was their number one son... but they treated me like number two!" and "Eat floor, high fiber."

The eat floor line was cringe-worthy, but it was the only line in the movie that I thought was absolutely horrible. "But they treated me like number two," I thought that line was fantastic.t:

As for Begins, "nice coat" and "excuse me" were terrible and really broke the serious tone of thought the scenes had set. But some I like, "I gotta get me one of those," I actually loved that one!

 

[El Payaso]

Explain please?

Really it's probably best not to overanalyze this stuff. If you look too hard at anything you're going to find faults in it. Just sit back and be entertained.

I agree. Now if you agree with yourself I'd never have that 'wrong kind of dark' over-analysis.

 

[El Payaso]

double post

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Well, Returns must have hit the nail on the head then with such wonderful lines as, "It's true I was their number one son... but they treated me like number two!" and "Eat floor, high fiber."

The "Eat Floor" line was sarcastic. Did no one get it?

 

[Numez]

The "Eat Floor" line was sarcastic. Did no one get it?

Yes, and it was hilarious.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Sarcastic or not, I thought it was a horrible line- the only one in the whole movie that I hated. The fact that it came from Batman just made it so much worse.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The "Eat Floor" line was sarcastic. Did no one get it?

What is there to get? I am aware that Batman is aware that floor is not a good source of fiber. He IS a scientist, after all.

Still a corny line.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Don't worry, there's always "Just the ***** iv been looking for"

 

[El Payaso]

Don't worry, there's always "Just the ***** iv been looking for"

Yes. Excellent.

 

[Dr. Fate]

"It's time my enemies shared my dread" no really? I thought you just wanted a compliment on your costume.

I admit I probably would have written the line as this: "Bats frighten me, maybe they'll frighten my enemies."

Still not great, but I think that's easier to speak aloud.

 

[El Payaso]

I admit I probably would have written the line as this: "Bats frighten me, maybe they'll frighten my enemies."

Still not great, but I think that's easier to speak aloud.

I think that's the point. When you tell a story in a very good way and you take your time for it (as it's BB case) you don't need to speak aloud things so terribly obvious like that. In my opinion Goyer was either insecure of its own narrative (so he had to underline everything) or he was just eager to throw some "memorable epic lines" for fans to orgasm over.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I think that's the point. When you tell a story in a very good way and you take your time for it (as it's BB case) you don't need to speak aloud things so terribly obvious like that. In my opinion Goyer was either insecure of its own narrative (so he had to underline everything) or he was just eager to throw some "memorable epic lines" for fans to orgasm over.

Good thing it wasn't enough to ruin my overall enjoyment of BB.

 

[hulkamania85]

I agree. Now if you agree with yourself I'd never have that 'wrong kind of dark' over-analysis.

Well if it makes you feel any better I didn't put much thought into it, it's just Tim Burton really likes to make everything a freakshow.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

What is there to get? I am aware that Batman is aware that floor is not a good source of fiber. He IS a scientist, after all.

Still a corny line.

To quote your own user title: Why so serious?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Don't worry, there's always "Just the ***** iv been looking for"

As well as the poontang line, those were great haha

I think that's the point. When you tell a story in a very good way and you take your time for it (as it's BB case) you don't need to speak aloud things so terribly obvious like that. In my opinion Goyer was either insecure of its own narrative (so he had to underline everything) or he was just eager to throw some "memorable epic lines" for fans to orgasm over.

This is what I have always thought. The way he tries to force meaning into some throw away lines as well as the repetition of such dialogue. "Why do we fall sir," "It's not who I am," etc. Goyer was simply forcing some of these over-dramatic lines to be 'memorable' so Batman would have his own "With great power" phrases.

 

[bethehero7404]

"With great power, comes great responsibility." VS. "It's not who I am underneath, it's what I do that defines me."

Either way, they are pretty powerful statements regardless if they are forced or not.

 

[El Payaso]

"With great power, comes great responsibility." VS. "It's not who I am underneath, it's what I do that defines me."

Either way, they are pretty powerful statements regardless if they are forced or not.

They lose power as they're forced. The truth behind them is undeniable but the use of them makes the lines sound cliched and average.