The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Fallen Angel]

So Floyd/Manny where you at boy's?

 

[Black Narcissus]

So Floyd/Manny where you at boy's?

Money all day!

 

[Docker2.0]

So tired of the drama with this fight. I've been seeing on numerous sites that HBO is the one holding up progress due to some kind of replay issue. They are killing any momentum people have for this fight. At this point, you just have to say if it happens it happens. If not, F Mayweather, Paq, and Arum. This crap is getting old.

 

[Lilbaz]

No Henry Armstrong. Held 3 titles at different weights at the same time. When there were only 8 weight divisions.

Outstanding.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Money all day!

Me too but I wasn't asking who would win.

I was calling out those two bozo's because they were saying there would be confirmation of a fight at the Superbowl.

 

[Iron_Stark]

So tired of the drama with this fight. I've been seeing on numerous sites that HBO is the one holding up progress due to some kind of replay issue. They are killing any momentum people have for this fight. At this point, you just have to say if it happens it happens. If not, F Mayweather, Paq, and Arum. This crap is getting old.

Ofcourse you have to blame them.

Ok, I'll give you HBO if they really have a replay issue, but the blame is clearly on:

#1 Mayweather
#2 Haymon
#3 Showtime/Espinosa
#4 HBO (if the replay issue is true)


Exactly how are Pac and Arum trying to not make the fight this time? What are their issues this time? Especially Pac?

 

[Docker2.0]

Me too but I wasn't asking who would win.

I was calling out those two bozo's because they were saying there would be confirmation of a fight at the Superbowl.

Agreed! They both look like idiots now. I can't believe people are defending any of them now. It's going to be hard to watch any Mayweather fights from this point forward(more likely I will still watch it, can't lie)and I already haven't paid for a Manny fight in years so no problem there. Just can't believe this thing has strung along this long.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ofcourse you have to blame them.

Ok, I'll give you HBO if they really have a replay issue, but the blame is clearly on:

#1 Mayweather
#2 Haymon
#3 Showtime/Espinosa
#4 HBO (if the replay issue is true)


Exactly how are Pac and Arum trying to not make the fight this time? What are their issues this time? Especially Pac?

Does anyone think Pac doesn't want to make the fight now? He really needs it. Arum is cashing out. That being said Arum is saying a lot of BS too put pressure on the other camp, which he did last time when it was their fault.

 

[Doc Samson]

Ok, I'll give you HBO if they really have a replay issue, but the blame is clearly on:

#1 Mayweather
#2 Haymon
#3 Showtime/Espinosa
#4 HBO (if the replay issue is true)

How is it clearly on Floyd when he only went to the Miami game after he heard Manny was gonna be there? And made the effort to approach him, meet him in his hotel room, and exchange numbers with him so they could contact each other directly? How is he not wanting to make the fight? From numerous sources, just like Doc said, it seems to be the networks right now. Actually that's been the consensus the past couple of weeks.

 

[Docker2.0]

Does anyone think Pac doesn't want to make the fight now? He really needs it. Arum is cashing out. That being said Arum is saying a lot of BS too put pressure on the other camp, which he did last time when it was their fault.

How is it clearly on Floyd when he only went to the Miami game after he heard Manny was gonna be there? And made the effort to approach him, meet him in his hotel room, and exchange numbers with him so they could contact each other directly? How is he not wanting to make the fight? From numerous sources, just like Doc said, it seems to be the networks right now. Actually that's been the consensus the past couple of weeks.

I don't know why you guys even responded to him. I made it my mission to not entertain his hating ass for the foreseeable future. He sees nothing Arum and his camp does wrong but if Mayweather scratches, he's there to pounce on it. Dude has become obsessed with Mayweather and it's scary.

 

[Docker2.0]

Here's a post from another site that spells out what I've feeling about these negotiations. Well, will put it in the next post. The entire post is a quote from someone else on a different site.

 

[Docker2.0]

It's incredible that even after walking away from the 1st negotiations because of a 24 day cutoff, vice a 14 day cutoff, and the whole "scared of needles," and "cuts aren't healed," and "we need an outdoor stadium," people still want to blame Mayweather instead of Arum. Once again Arum was caught in a lie, and it still doesn't seem to register. Some are even giving Arum props for meeting Moonves, when it was Roach who set up the meeting, without Arum's knowledge. It was Floyd who accepted Koncz's invite to the halftime meeting, and the hotel visit. It was Koncz who admitted to lying, just like it was Roach who admitted to derailing the 1st negotiations over blood testing. You have Roach, Michael Marley, Ariza, Gacal, and now Koncz (all people from Mnny's/TR camp), all admitting to Arum's BS, and STILL, some want to blame Floyd. Arum "is who we thought he was," and he is who Les Moonves thought he was:

November 23, 2014:

The man who helped coordinate the first of what fight fans hope will be further fruitful sessions identified himself Sunday.

He’s Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach.

After Pacquiao’s six-knockdown Sunday conquest of Chris Algieri added fuel to the flame of reignited talks to stage the long-evasive super-fight, Roach told reporters he brokered a meeting earlier this year between Pacquiao promoter/fight-maker Bob Arum and CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves...

Following a Pacquiao-Algieri worldwide publicity tour, Roach said he urged Moonves to meet with Arum at the promoter’s Beverly Hills home.

“They didn’t like each other,” Roach said of a strain that dated to Pacquiao’s return to HBO after fighting one bout on Showtime in 2011. “Bob promised [Moonves] three fights … and only gave him one. … [Moonves] actually told me, ‘I’m not dealing with the devil.'"

I kind of sneakily put them together, about four months ago. I knew it was risky. … [Moonves] wanted to make the fight without Bob and I said, ‘That’s not going to happen, you’ve got to bring him in."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...123-story.html

For those who say, "why would Arum not want to give us Mayweather vs. Pacquiao?" ask yourselves, "why wouldn't he want to give us De La Hoya vs. Mayweather?"

April 25, 2006:

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road..."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

 

[Iron_Stark]

How is it clearly on Floyd when he only went to the Miami game after he heard Manny was gonna be there? And made the effort to approach him, meet him in his hotel room, and exchange numbers with him so they could contact each other directly? How is he not wanting to make the fight? From numerous sources, just like Doc said, it seems to be the networks right now. Actually that's been the consensus the past couple of weeks.

Mayweather didn't hear Pac was going to be there, how could he have? Pac going to the game was last minute because his flight to NY was cancelled because of the snowstorms up north.

Pac then sent Michael Koncz to where Mayweather was sitting to see if he would like to meet Pac.

If Mayweather is ready to make it happen how come he hasn't come out and said he's ready to sign? Why is it the same, "Arum isn't making it happen" BS?

HBO just released a statement saying they're ready to go.

Seems like Mayweather, Haymon and Showtime/Espinosa are the ones holding things up.

I don't know why you guys even responded to him. I made it my mission to not entertain his hating ass for the foreseeable future. He sees nothing Arum and his camp does wrong but if Mayweather scratches, he's there to pounce on it. Dude has become obsessed with Mayweather and it's scary.

So it went from me not knowing anything about boxing to just hating. LOL

Same can be said for you, you see nothing in the Mayweather/Haymon camp that can do no wrong, but if Arum so much as farts, it means he doesn't want to get the fight made.

I'm not obsessed with anyone, it's just your biased ass is wrong with just about everything and get pissed when I prove you wrong.

Does anyone think Pac doesn't want to make the fight now? He really needs it. Arum is cashing out. That being said Arum is saying a lot of BS too put pressure on the other camp, which he did last time when it was their fault.

Pac want's it, there's no doubt about that.

Arum's been wanting to cash out Pac for the longest.

But he is an idiot for the way he's going about it, this whole smear/duck campaign he's using on Mayweather may very well backfire on him and then he would be equally to blame if this doesn't get made.

 

[Doc Samson]

Mayweather didn't hear Pac was going to be there, how could he have? Pac going to the game was last minute because his flight to NY was cancelled because of the snowstorms up north.

Pac then sent Michael Koncz to where Mayweather was sitting to see if he would like to meet Pac.

If Mayweather is ready to make it happen how come he hasn't come out and said he's ready to sign? Why is it the same, "Arum isn't making it happen" BS?

HBO just released a statement saying they're ready to go.

Seems like Mayweather, Haymon and Showtime/Espinosa are the ones holding things up.

A couple sites reported, as soon as it happened, that Floyd went to the game after being told Manny was there. But whatever, that's all conjecture.

What isn't (or shouldn't be) at this point though, is Floyd's willingness to fight him. There's no reason it would've gotten to this point if Floyd didn't want to. As numerous people have already pointed out to you, the fight already WOULD'VE happened if Manny agreed to all this stuff years ago. So of course, now, he wants to make the fight happen because he knows the end of the road is coming. But that doesn't have anything to do with Showtime and HBO and, yes, Bob Arum.

Arum's been wanting to cash out Pac for the longest.

But he is an idiot for the way he's going about it, this whole smear/duck campaign he's using on Mayweather may very well backfire on him and then he would be equally to blame if this doesn't get made.

And if you can understand that, then you should be able to understand why plenty of people hold him accountable. There's zero reason for him to be talking about negotiations to anyone in the media, but he's continually doing it. The only thing it does is extend Manny's role as folk hero for the nonsensical sheep who believe his rhetoric...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Pac want's it, there's no doubt about that.

Arum's been wanting to cash out Pac for the longest.

But he is an idiot for the way he's going about it, this whole smear/duck campaign he's using on Mayweather may very well backfire on him and then he would be equally to blame if this doesn't get made.

Too be fair, if Manny really wanted this, he would have dumped Arum a long time ago. That he re-upped with him recently is his own fault. It is also why he is going to be broke when he retires. Well Arum and his family members/"friends".

 

[Docker2.0]

Interesting article:

Spoiler

http://au.ibtimes.com/sports-analyst-says-mayweather-told-pacquiao-straighten-out-his-finances-when-fighters-met-nba

 

[Docker2.0]

Old news but I will post it anyway. It will explain some of Arum's antics. But I still believe some kind of way this fight will get made and I think this is all posturing from both sides.

Spoiler

http://www.boxingscene.com/vargas-if-i-look-good-i-told-pacquiao-next--83572

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm starting to think it happens...but not as the next fight. I think it'll be Floyd's final fight in Sept/Nov.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'm not bothered now. If it's announced okay maybe I'll up my enthusiasm level.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think Floyd and Manny needs to call Arum's bluff. Go on tv and announce the fight, even though the details are not settled? Why? I guarantee both sides will get it done so that they don't appear to be the bad side. I actually believe the hold up is tv rights between HBO and Showtime. But this drama and building up is getting old. Just announce the fight already. I have people already set to come over on May 2nd. Even getting a bigger tv with a better surround sound.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah yeah, keep blaming Arum. Completely ignore that snake Haymon. Look what he did with Leo Santa Cruz, used that buyout clause to blatantly duck Rigonduex while Golden Boy was in the middle of negotiations to make that fight happen.

Haymon has had more of his fighters DUCK mandatories, avoid the best guys in their divisions, drop titles to avoid challenges, make ridiculous fight cards, and on and on.

But yet Arum is the one to blame. Gtfo

More and more it looks like Haymon is the one sabotaging the fight, yet Floydies want to believe its Arum.

That Santa Cruz duck was utterly disgusting. I wonder how Floyd/Haymon fans explain that one.

http://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-on-santa-cruz-buyout-they-want-rigo--87162

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns, "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, Willie Pep, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Argüello, Archie Moore, or Roberto Duran?

 

[Docker2.0]

GGG's camp calling out Ward!

Spoiler

http://fighthype.com/news/article19258.html

 

[Doc Samson]

GGG's trainer is always talking about Ward. So THAT'S why Ward's fans clamor for the fight, not the other way around. But that's fine, he's about to be active again, we'll see how bad they really want to fight. Because I'd bet my life Ward beats the skin straight off GGG with no problem...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Triple G is a bonafide GOD!