🥊 The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 5

[Iceman]

Yeah avoiding big fights until recently certainly hasn't helped. He hasn't developed by beating bums.

Yeah, in fact he doubled down on the windmill punch strategy which is much less likely to work against other guys with the same or greater reach who can box a bit (like Fury) and aren’t already hurt. I’m glad to see Fury and Wilder getting found out in recent months though. Hopefully all the all-time-great talk can go away if they lose a couple more fights.

 

[B]

I gave him some credit for finally taking on fighters who weren't walkovers like the majority of opponents on his card, but at this stage he isn't the same fighter who can unload his secret weapon at ease to mask his other deficiencies. Ngannou and Whyte might be more beatable than some others, but they can both hit hard too so in the interests of not taking too much more damage his camp should be careful and see how well he trains going forward and if the desire/ability is still really there.

Agreed, he's looked out of his depth when he's fought the better fighters or fighters that have been able to take his power, he beat Ortiz twice but even those contests should have sent alarm bells ringing because I'm pretty sure at the time he put Ortiz away in both he was either behind on the scorecards or they were at least close.

He's always going to be dangerous because of his power & how wild he goes after guys when he can smell blood, but he's at an age were he's unlikely to change/improve significantly with his footwork or developing a bit more of a range of attacks to help him setup that big right.

If he wants to continue he needs a few impressive wins if he's to get back into contention again.

 

[Iceman]

Agreed, he's looked out of his depth when he's fought the better fighters or fighters that have been able to take his power, he beat Ortiz twice but even those contests should have sent alarm bells ringing because I'm pretty sure at the time he put Ortiz away in both he was either behind on the scorecards or they were at least close.

He's always going to be dangerous because of his power & how wild he goes after guys when he can smell blood, but he's at an age were he's unlikely to change/improve significantly with his footwork or developing a bit more of a range of attacks to help him setup that big right.

If he wants to continue he needs a few impressive wins if he's to get back into contention again.

I think he would have been helped with getting beaten earlier in his career to push him and his team to improve the skills where's he so lacking. If I was in his camp I would have been forcing him to train much harder all those years on the basics and become a good boxer that can keep that killer knockout 1-2 in the locker when people aren't continuously anticipating it - that way also he would be much harder to corner and keep on the back foot and take damage while he is looking to set it up. Could have been a legit great but hard to give that label to someone so limited in many areas of boxing and who avoided the best for so long (as many of the recent top heavyweights have done, only coming across challenges near the end of their careers).

 

[Iceman]

Joshua vs Dubois about to start.

 

[Iceman]

Wow, Dubois knocks AJ down with a huge blow to the jaw at the end of the first round.

 

[Iceman]

Another knockdown at the end of the third. Again saved by the bell. Looking like AJ in absolutely huge trouble.

 

[Iceman]

Again down at the beginning of the 4th. Was it two knockdowns, too fast to even tell lol.

 

[Iceman]

Joshua gets in a strong punch but then takes false confidence and goes for it and gets counter punched and knocked out clean. All over, what a performance from Dubois.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Fantastic by Dubois. World could be his oyster if he plays his cards right

 

[Chesterfield]

The first fight I've seen of AJ's where he got dominated from start to finish. He also looked like his heart wasn't in it. Easily AJ's worst performance that I've seen.

 

[B]

Caught the replay this morning. Dubois fought a great fight, AJ never fully recovered from that right hand that clipped him perfectly on the chin, dropping him to his hands & knees in the first round.

It's easy to see in hindsight when you can rewind & fast forward the fight, but everything that came after just looked like AJ in a sort of dazed autopilot mode. Every blow that made any sort of contact with his head after seemed to stun him. If Dubois had taken a breath & been a bit more precise with his shots in the 2nd & 3rd, he probably would have had him out of there sooner and/or properly KO'd him cold.

AJ's best moment was ultimately what led him to getting sparked for the final time, landed a good blow & got a bit too crazy trying to press a finish, I think he thought Dubois was hurt more than he was, hence the presence of mind to keep composed & catch him twice coming in.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Caught the replay this morning. Dubois fought a great fight, AJ never fully recovered from that right hand that clipped him perfectly on the chin, dropping him to his hands & knees in the first round.

It's easy to see in hindsight when you can rewind & fast forward the fight, but everything that came after just looked like AJ in a sort of dazed autopilot mode. Every blow that made any sort of contact with his head after seemed to stun him. If Dubois had taken a breath & been a bit more precise with his shots in the 2nd & 3rd, he probably would have had him out of there sooner and/or properly KO'd him cold.

AJ's best moment was ultimately what led him to getting sparked for the final time, landed a good blow & got a bit too crazy trying to press a finish, I think he thought Dubois was hurt more than he was, hence the presence of mind to keep composed & catch him twice coming in.

For some reason AJ got cocky in the 5th round. Pulling faces and tongues at Dubois. He had been on the Matt a few times by then, he shouldn't have been getting cocky at all.

 

[Iceman]

The first fight I've seen of AJ's where he got dominated from start to finish. He also looked like his heart wasn't in it. Easily AJ's worst performance that I've seen.

It was effectively all over after that punch at the end of the first. He was in a daze after that with no defence/head movement, easy to pick off, and too slow and predictable to put attacks together. He looked nervous right from the beginning after Dubois came out aggressive, relentless, roughed him and let him know he has power. Amazing result and performance from Dubois.

 

[Iceman]

For some reason AJ got cocky in the 5th round. Pulling faces and tongues at Dubois. He had been on the Matt a few times by then, he shouldn't have been getting cocky at all.

I saw that as a panic move as he didn’t know what to do and was trying to show that he’s still in it when he wasn’t at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I saw that as a panic move as he didn’t know what to do and was trying to show that he’s still in it when he wasn’t at all.

He would have been better boxing smart. In his head he thought he was back in the fight. Win a few rounds then get cocky.

 

[B]

For some reason AJ got cocky in the 5th round. Pulling faces and tongues at Dubois. He had been on the Matt a few times by then, he shouldn't have been getting cocky at all.

I saw that as a panic move as he didn’t know what to do and was trying to show that he’s still in it when he wasn’t at all.

I thought the same, I think he was doing that to try & pretend to Dubois (or even himself) that he wasn't getting battered, perhaps a failed attempt at in-fight mind games.

Felt a bit bad for him, when he was picking himself up for a couple of the latter knockdowns he looked like he wanted the ring to open up & swallow him.

 

[Iceman]

I thought the same, I think he was doing that to try & pretend to Dubois (or even himself) that he wasn't getting battered, perhaps a failed attempt at in-fight mind games.

Felt a bit bad for him, when he was picking himself up for a couple of the latter knockdowns he looked like he wanted the ring to open up & swallow him.

Even before he got hit in the first I was telling my dad he looks a bit scared from just the initial exchanges and would likely have taken a chance to escape and cancel the event right then and there if he could. He's too open to getting hit clean once he's been hurt with barely any head movement - and he gets hurt and wobbles every time he gets hit hard, going back to the first Dillian Whyte fight. That said, the Dubois shot to the jaw in the first would have taken many heavyweights down.

 

[Iceman]

Will be interesting to see who Dubois goes up against next (unless there is a rematch planned). As for Joshua, yet another comeback trail needed. It’s going to be difficult for him as his main issue is that he is such an easy target to hit with little head movement, and gets significantly damaged in all areas after taking a hard hit. I think most would have struggled with that Dubois first rounder on the jaw, but Joshua takes heavy punches worse than most of the other heavyweights at this level.

 

[Iceman]

Big one this weekend

Beterbiev vs Bivol, 2 very talented guys. Makes a nice change to have 2 respected fighters meeting after all the oversized clowns in heavyweight.

 

[Iceman]

Great technical fight. Don't see skills like these and the best fighting the best too often in heavyweight. A shame these guys don't get more focus. No shame in anyone losing this and judges cards can easily go another way on another day.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Made a bet for 3 bills on Tyson. Nothing big, but my nostalgia still got me. Also drinking a 375ml of Moët. Lawd. That may be an old man, but that is still Tyson in there somewhere, that old man strength will be present at least for the first 3 rds, hoping for a punchers shot. Mike could’ve also taken the money and gone with a ‘’script’’, if you know what I mean, either way, Tyson got nothin’ to loose at this point.

 

[blueharvest]

Mike Tyson lost.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

That fight was ass (no pun intended).

What really pissed me off was the decision for that Serrano/Taylor fight. Those ladies were THROWING HANDS, but Taylor was dirty for all those damn headbutts.

Serrano was robbed.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Mike Tyson lost.

Nah, he won 20 mill bag and this 27 year old couldn’t stop him. Paul is a joke. Canelo can easily get close to 100mill when he retires from him, easy money. Hell, Pacquaio would beat Paul at this point.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Jake’s gf is the only highlight of this fight. Lawd.