The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Iron_Stark]

ESPN is the sports version of TMZ. Certain things they won't touch and certain athletes they won't bash at all. Arum and Manny happen to be on that list. And for the 1000th time, I didn't say Mayweather wasn't without blame, nor did I say Manny wasn't either. I said Arum is THE MAIN reason this fight hasn't happened. What is wrong with you?!?

So the some person that posts Flomo written articles from those idiots at Fighthype.com is calling ESPN the TMZ of sports?? Really? Am I missing something here?

Yeah. I know, but I...I can't help myself SMH:
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You saw how your girlfriend was getting schooled so had to come to her defense huh. Flomos gotta stick together.

Canelo doesn't "deserve" s***!! Where the hell you get that from? He had his opportunity, all he had to do was win, and he would've been the biggest draw in the sport. He could've dictated and chosen whatever dates he wanted. But he got schooled, and therefore he can't maneuver Floyd out of date just because of his heritage.

And you're right (shocking), Floyd chooses Mexicans and Puerto Ricans because they pay to see him lose, but also because they have the biggest fanbase for smaller divisions. Simple, it's called business. It's the same reason Arum always has a Puerto Rican go against a Mexican if he can help it. Blacks in general haven't supported the sport as much as Latinos since the heavyweight division fell off. The biggest "name" outside of Mayweather who happens to be black is Bradley or Broner.

He went to HBO to be the biggest attraction after Pac and to take back what is rightfully his. Say what you want but those dates are for Mexicans and should go back to them. Not held hostage by some woman beating thug that doesn't know sh_ about their history, people or why those dates are celebrated.

Once again, and something you never answered, is why was it ok for De La Hoya to have all these stipulations to fight Floyd but it's not ok for Floyd to dictate to anyone else? Actually you did answer, you said it was cool because it was all in the contract before the fight. Well....if Paq wants to fight so bad, get in the ring and fight. He wants to do commercials and run on Twitter and all this other nonsense, then shut up and make the fight, no matter what the demands are.

I don't want to hear about all this other **** because 4 years ago when the fight was on the table all he had to do was take the random testing, and he refused. Somehow that gets forgotten with all you Paq sack swingers, the fight didn't happen on at least one occasion for no other reason than Manny's "fear" of needles, something so ridiculous I would make him jump through hoops to get a match now too.

The problem is this idea (and Arum/Paq's own delusions) that Manny and Floyd are on the same level. They're not. There's no real negotiation that needs to take place here, Manny should just shut his mouth and sign a contract or leave it alone. He's already pleading for Floyd to slug it out with him, he must know he can't win a boxing match, which as Floyd pointed out, is the proper name for the sport. Boxing, not slugging smh.

What ridiculous stipulations did Oscar give to Mayweather? Pillow gloves? Random blood testing? A ridiculous split? Having to sign exclusively with Golden Boy? Have Mayweather leave guys like Haymon or Ellerbie? No Oscar wasn't acting like a spoiled diva. Nobody EVER had an issue with that fight or brought up the demands until Mayweather made Maidana wear pillow gloves.

That's so stupid, "just get in there and fight", yeah that would be smart of Pac, biggest fight ever and he should get lowballed by some dumbass illiterate woman beating thug.

Yeah that's how Floyd is going to win this fight, a boring UD victory where it will put everyone to sleep and make every flomo out there cream themselves.

No, he isn't piggybacking anything, he got in the ring and beat Oscar and took the top position in the sport, the same thing Canelo could've did. But he got beat, easily, the same way your hero Paq will if he ever gets inside the ring. And after that, hopefully you'll find something else to rage about...

Bullsh** he isn't! He's piggybacking on those dates, Chavez made those dates into boxing/holiday celebrations, then guys like Barrera, Morales, De La Hoya, Vargas followed suit. Now Mayweather is holding them hostage. smdh.

But it's all moot, De La Hoya said he'd step aside only if Mayweather/Pac gets made. I highly doubt it does.

 

[Iron_Stark]

double post

 

[Doc Samson]

What ridiculous stipulations did Oscar give to Mayweather? Pillow gloves? Random blood testing? A ridiculous split? Having to sign exclusively with Golden Boy? Have Mayweather leave guys like Haymon or Ellerbie? No Oscar wasn't acting like a spoiled diva. Nobody EVER had an issue with that fight or brought up the demands until Mayweather made Maidana wear pillow gloves.

Nobody ever had an issue? It was talked about as soon as the fight was agreed to. De La Hoya wanted the Reyes gloves (your favorite subject right now) that Floyd didn't want because he broke his hand numerous times. But he agreed to it. Oscar wanted the bigger weight, so Floyd agreed to that too, even though Oscar still came in over 154 anyway. And he wanted the smaller ring on top of all that. Floyd agreed to all of it. To make the biggest fight of his career happen. It's what you do when you're the lower name on the totem pole, which Manny is, despite what you or the rest of his lovers think.

That's so stupid, "just get in there and fight", yeah that would be smart of Pac, biggest fight ever and he should get lowballed by some dumbass illiterate woman beating thug.

Yeah, why not? All he and his fans have done is talk crazy **** the last 5 years. So what's the problem? He's the one who said he'd "fight for free" just to please the fans and help the sport. He said he's willing to do the testing now, he has no other opponent anyone is interested in seeing him fight, and he's NOT GETTING nor should he believe he deserves an even split. So, as you would say, sack up!

Yeah that's how Floyd is going to win this fight, a boring UD victory where it will put everyone to sleep and make every flomo out there cream themselves.

Sure, anyone who's an idiot and doesn't really love boxing as a sport can go to sleep. And hopefully not wake up.

Bullsh** he isn't! He's piggybacking on those dates, Chavez made those dates into boxing/holiday celebrations, then guys like Barrera, Morales, De La Hoya, Vargas followed suit. Now Mayweather is holding them hostage. smdh.

But it's all moot, De La Hoya said he'd step aside only if Mayweather/Pac gets made. I highly doubt it does.

De La Hoya's just upset Floyd's beat damn near all of his boxers on top of whupping his ass too. Cotto isn't Mexican, why can't they move the date to the Puerto Rican Day Parade in June? If they wind up fighting in NY, it's not like the crowd won't be pro-Cotto anyway. Or, like Floyd said, pack up and fight in Mexico then...

 

[Docker2.0]

Doc Samson, I don't even know why you even bother. I'm done with dude. It's like trying to talk black history with a Klans member. He doesn't know boxing. He's just one of those casual fans who Floyd must have slept with someone he loved so now he's beyond obsessed with him. I don't even try any more. He fell for the Bob Arum "he ain't Mexican" crap so now, even though Mayweather and Manny are both calling each other and neither has a fight lined up, Arum is the only one who is trying to not make it happen, he STILL see this as Floyd's fault.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Doc Samson, I don't even know why you even bother. I'm done with dude. It's like trying to talk black history with a Klans member. He doesn't know boxing. He's just one of those casual fans who Floyd must have slept with someone he loved so now he's beyond obsessed with him. I don't even try any more. He fell for the Bob Arum "he ain't Mexican" crap so now, even though Mayweather and Manny are both calling each other and neither has a fight lined up, Arum is the only one who is trying to not make it happen, he STILL see this as Floyd's fault.

Oh I don't know about boxing? who was wrong on two occasions the other day? Who? No, no arguing with you two bozos is like trying to tell those half-witted people in Ferguson that looting and burning property down has nothing to do with someone's death.

Canelo was talking about taking those dates back long before Arum said anything the other day, so yet again, you don't know what in the F- you're talking about.

Nobody ever had an issue? It was talked about as soon as the fight was agreed to. De La Hoya wanted the Reyes gloves (your favorite subject right now) that Floyd didn't want because he broke his hand numerous times. But he agreed to it. Oscar wanted the bigger weight, so Floyd agreed to that too, even though Oscar still came in over 154 anyway. And he wanted the smaller ring on top of all that. Floyd agreed to all of it. To make the biggest fight of his career happen. It's what you do when you're the lower name on the totem pole, which Manny is, despite what you or the rest of his lovers think.

Nonsense, nobody ever made a peep. Mayweather had been using Reyes before, like Corrales for example. Oscar was the champ at 154 at the time, so why was he going to move down?

Manny may not be at an equal to Woman-Beater right now, but without Pac, good luck to him trying to get another million PPV buys fighting the likes of Khan.

Yeah, why not? All he and his fans have done is talk crazy **** the last 5 years. So what's the problem? He's the one who said he'd "fight for free" just to please the fans and help the sport. He said he's willing to do the testing now, he has no other opponent anyone is interested in seeing him fight, and he's NOT GETTING nor should he believe he deserves an even split. So, as you would say, sack up! .

You talking about Floyd? Because that can easily be said about him. What other opponent do people want to see Fraud with?

Floyd: Manny must take $50 grand + a TMT cap and shirt, pillow gloves, extra large ring for me to run, draw a pint of blood minutes before the fight, 2 week training camp, No PPV percentage, No Arum, No HBO, no Freddie Roach, No Bouboy, No Philippines fans, No Jinki and NO voodoo Hex mom!

Pac: No

FLOMOS: He be ducking him doe! Dem TMT caps and shirts is priceless mane!

Sure, anyone who's an idiot and doesn't really love boxing as a sport can go to sleep. And hopefully not wake up. .

LOL, that pissed off huh?

De La Hoya's just upset Floyd's beat damn near all of his boxers on top of whupping his ass too. Cotto isn't Mexican, why can't they move the date to the Puerto Rican Day Parade in June? If they wind up fighting in NY, it's not like the crowd won't be pro-Cotto anyway. Or, like Floyd said, pack up and fight in Mexico then...

Floyd hasn't whupped anyone's ass in almost a decade. Mayweather/Gatti, Mayweather/Corrales, those where ass whupping, everything else has been boring UD wins. Even his "win" against Oscar was debatable.

Like I said have it on MLK day or any other day, quit relying on Latinos to carry him.

 

[Iron_Stark]

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[Doc Samson]

Nonsense, nobody ever made a peep. Mayweather had been using Reyes before, like Corrales for example. Oscar was the champ at 154 at the time, so why was he going to move down?

Of course he used them before, that's how he knew they were a problem for him to begin with. He broke his hand on at least 2 occasions before that fight, which is why he was reluctant to use them ever since. And since you have amnesia or no knowledge of it, part of getting the fight done DID INCLUDE Floyd leaving Arum because Oscar didn't want to deal with him at the time either. The revenue split was outrageous too, it wasn't like Mayweather was coming in off the street, he already had a name at the time.

If you're not a fan of Mayweather, which you certainly aren't, then it might be news to you. But his fans knew. He was doing interviews about it as part of the promotion, it was far from a secret.

As far as Oscar being champ, Floyd was champ at 147, so that made no difference. The difference was Oscar being the bigger name. That's how the game goes, why does it need to be played differently because it's Floyd calling the shots now?

Manny may not be at an equal to Woman-Beater right now, but without Pac, good luck to him trying to get another million PPV buys fighting the likes of Khan.

Floyd and Khan wouldn't do the numbers him and Paq would. But on the same token, Floyd & Khan would do better than Manny versus anyone else in the free world at this point.

Floyd: Manny must take $50 grand + a TMT cap and shirt, pillow gloves, extra large ring for me to run, draw a pint of blood minutes before the fight, 2 week training camp, No PPV percentage, No Arum, No HBO, no Freddie Roach, No Bouboy, No Philippines fans, No Jinki and NO voodoo Hex mom!

Pac: No

FLOMOS: He be ducking him doe! Dem TMT caps and shirts is priceless mane!

Like I said, De La Hoya dictated the gloves, the weight, the ring, the split & Floyd leaving his promoter. These are facts. It's what had to be done to get in the ring with the biggest name of that era. If Manny really wants to fight as much as he claims he does, he shouldn't have an issue doing the same.

Floyd hasn't whupped anyone's ass in almost a decade. Mayweather/Gatti, Mayweather/Corrales, those where ass whupping, everything else has been boring UD wins. Even his "win" against Oscar was debatable.

Like I said have it on MLK day or any other day, quit relying on Latinos to carry him.

It wasn't that debatable, he was picking him apart late like he does everyone else, took him into the deep water and drowned him. And once again, what's wrong with the Puerto Rican holiday? There's only one Mexican in that matchup, not two...

 

[Docker2.0]

Why do you entertain this dude?

Anyway, really looking forward to Stevenson fight tonight. Not sure why it's not on Saturday though.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Of course he used them before, that's how he knew they were a problem for him to begin with. He broke his hand on at least 2 occasions before that fight, which is why he was reluctant to use them ever since. And since you have amnesia or no knowledge of it, part of getting the fight done DID INCLUDE Floyd leaving Arum because Oscar didn't want to deal with him at the time either. The revenue split was outrageous too, it wasn't like Mayweather was coming in off the street, he already had a name at the time.

If you're not a fan of Mayweather, which you certainly aren't, then it might be news to you. But his fans knew. He was doing interviews about it as part of the promotion, it was far from a secret.

As far as Oscar being champ, Floyd was champ at 147, so that made no difference. The difference was Oscar being the bigger name. That's how the game goes, why does it need to be played differently because it's Floyd calling the shots now?



Floyd and Khan wouldn't do the numbers him and Paq would. But on the same token, Floyd & Khan would do better than Manny versus anyone else in the free world at this point.



Like I said, De La Hoya dictated the gloves, the weight, the ring, the split & Floyd leaving his promoter. These are facts. It's what had to be done to get in the ring with the biggest name of that era. If Manny really wants to fight as much as he claims he does, he shouldn't have an issue doing the same.



It wasn't that debatable, he was picking him apart late like he does everyone else, took him into the deep water and drowned him. And once again, what's wrong with the Puerto Rican holiday? There's only one Mexican in that matchup, not two...

So first it's Arum is a scumbag that's why Floyd left him, now it's Oscar made Floyd leave Arum. Flomos need to get their stories straight.

Mayweather/Khan would do worse than the Maidana fights, and both of those flopped and cost Showtime $16 million. So looks to me like Fraud needs Pac as much as Pac needs Fraud.

Again, Oscar's demands were nowhere ridiculous as Frauds are. Not. Even. Close.

And yes Oscar was the bigger name, but Fraud wasn't a big name at the time, he surely wasn't as big as Pac is right now. 2014 version of Pac is much much bigger of a name than 2007 version of Mayweather. Even with those losses. And that's not even debatable. So for Floyd and all his Flomos to compare this situation with that is just plain stupid!

44-3 is Mayweather's real record. Too bad he and Haymon have the NSAC in their back pockets.

That's all fine and well, I'm sure Canelo wouldn't have a problem fighting on enemy territory on their Holiday, but that doesn't change the fact that Mayweather needs to stop piggybacking off of Latinos, and their dates. He should fight on MLK day. Lets see if blacks really would support him and see if he is the #1 attraction he claims he is.


edit:

LMAO even Roy Jones Jr is dissing Floyd! Guess he also doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm a nutjob, casual fan hater that doesn't know anything, ESPN people are like TMZ, what's Roy Jones? Someone else that also doesn't know anything?

[YT]watch?v=meOshQpDTDk[/YT]

 

[Doc Samson]

So first it's Arum is a scumbag that's why Floyd left him, now it's Oscar made Floyd leave Arum. Flomos need to get their stories straight.

Well he is a scumbag, who happened to be stealing money from his fighters, Oscar & Mayweather included. Floyd already was having issues with Arum but De La Hoya, under no circumstances, was going to fight Top Rank Boxers at the time. Which is also why he never fought Cotto or Margarito.

So neither Oscar or Floyd wanted to deal with Arum, which makes both "stories" straight. Floyd was happy to become free and Oscar wasn't going to fight any of his fighters. Simple enough to understand I would hope, SMH.

Mayweather/Khan would do worse than the Maidana fights, and both of those flopped and cost Showtime $16 million. So looks to me like Fraud needs Pac as much as Pac needs Fraud.

Ehh, it could do worse, or could do better. Khan probably has a bigger following than Maidana though, I would imagine.

Again, Oscar's demands were nowhere ridiculous as Frauds are. Not. Even. Close.

I just explained to you how they were. He wanted specific gloves, weight, ring size, no Arum and a lopsided split.

44-3 is Mayweather's real record. Too bad he and Haymon have the NSAC in their back pockets.

Lol, if you believe that, then what's Manny's real record?

That's all fine and well, I'm sure Canelo wouldn't have a problem fighting on enemy territory on their Holiday, but that doesn't change the fact that Mayweather needs to stop piggybacking off of Latinos, and their dates. He should fight on MLK day. Lets see if blacks really would support him and see if he is the #1 attraction he claims he is.

You can't claim he's piggybacking and ducking at the same time. Almost all the prominent Welterweights aren't black, so what's he supposed to do? And if you can concede that, then it makes sense to fight these Latinos on dates that will draw the most interest and money.

edit:

LMAO even Roy Jones Jr is dissing Floyd! Guess he also doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm a nutjob, casual fan hater that doesn't know anything, ESPN people are like TMZ, what's Roy Jones? Someone else that also doesn't know anything?

[YT]watch?v=meOshQpDTDk[/YT]

That's cool but Roy took almost 20 years to give Bernard a rematch, never fought De La Hoya and waited until both he and Trinidad were waaaaay past prime to set that up. He faced the exact same criticism during his career so I don't know what he's talking about, but why people keep saying Manny is "over the hill" now is confusing. Last time I checked, Floyd's the older man, it's not his fault he's used defense in his career while Manny's been getting hit.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Manny's descent from his peak has been quicker than Floyd's though. I have to say that.

 

[Docker2.0]

That's because he's not on PED's any more.

And as far as Roy Jones Jr goes, he's an HBO guy so of course he's going to bash Floyd and hype up Manny. It's the same as Paulie Malinaggi or however you spell it. It would be shocking if they dissed their own guy, this isn't shocking to me what he said at all.
And anytime someone says someone is a boring fighter, then A) they really don't like boxing. If I wanted to see to animals go at it, I'd watch UFC, which I do anyway. B) have an agenda to push. Again, RJJ works for HBO so what he's saying isn't shocking to me at all. It amazes me how much people pay to see this "boring" fighter fight, when Manny is suppose to be the action guy but yet his PPV's this year have been nowhere near Floyd's this year. Just saying.

 

[Docker2.0]

I know I shouldn't but here we go. Iron Stark, this is Paq's on team questioning if Arum wants the fight or not, as has been the past. He's being robbed blind. I've stated in the past that I do think both Manny and Floyd want this fight and the problem has always been Bob Arum who's now using May 5th as an excuse saying Mexicans should only fight on that day. Anyway, here's the article:

Spoiler

http://fighthype.com/news/article18903.html

 

[Doc Samson]

My only problem with that is, once again, Manny needed to realize this himself and not sign the extension. He shouldn't need any handlers to tell him that this fight probably would've happened already if not for Arum. Hell, for his own sake and his own pockets, he should've been ready to move on from Arum anyway.

As I was trying to explain to Stark, at the time of the fight, De La Hoya was not going to fight any Top Rank boxers including Floyd. Floyd had to do what needed to be done to make the fight happen, along with the other stipulations, even though he already wanted to be released from Arum as it was. If Manny really wants this fight, he might have to pay Arum to go away. And that's nobody's fault other than his own...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Arum has Manny by the balls he aint going anywhere.

 

[Docker2.0]

My only problem with that is, once again, Manny needed to realize this himself and not sign the extension. He shouldn't need any handlers to tell him that this fight probably would've happened already if not for Arum. Hell, for his own sake and his own pockets, he should've been ready to move on from Arum anyway.

As I was trying to explain to Stark, at the time of the fight, De La Hoya was not going to fight any Top Rank boxers including Floyd. Floyd had to do what needed to be done to make the fight happen, along with the other stipulations, even though he already wanted to be released from Arum as it was. If Manny really wants this fight, he might have to pay Arum to go away. And that's nobody's fault other than his own...

Your first mistake right there. Manny's on lawyer, Freddie Roach, and Ariza have all gone on record and said Floyd has tried to make this fight but Arum is the problem but some kind of way he finds a way to blame Floyd. I GUARANTEE you, he will read the article and some how find a way to twist this into a way to blame Floyd, even though these are Manny's lawyers talking. I've never seen a guy so delusional.

Arum has Manny by the balls he aint going anywhere.

Sadly yes. Unless Manny starts to go to the media to put pressure on Bob, that's the only way this fight gets made. All the Manny fans call it hate, but I can bet you within 5 years, Manny is going to be broke unless he goes into Philippine's politics and become corrupt himself. A blind man on the outside can see it for what it is. I also think unless Floyd changes up some of his spending habits, he may be broke as well. He needs this send off fight as well.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Your first mistake right there. Manny's on lawyer, Freddie Roach, and Ariza have all gone on record and said Floyd has tried to make this fight but Arum is the problem but some kind of way he finds a way to blame Floyd. I GUARANTEE you, he will read the article and some how find a way to twist this into a way to blame Floyd, even though these are Manny's lawyers talking. I've never seen a guy so delusional.


Sadly yes. Unless Manny starts to go to the media to put pressure on Bob, that's the only way this fight gets made. All the Manny fans call it hate, but I can bet you within 5 years, Manny is going to be broke unless he goes into Philippine's politics and become corrupt himself. A blind man on the outside can see it for what it is. I also think unless Floyd changes up some of his spending habits, he may be broke as well. He needs this send off fight as well.

Give me a Fn break.

First of all Fraud wants this as much as Arum does. You two clowns go on about Arum, yet ignore how Haymon is much more corrupt, puts out horrendous fight cards and is much worse for the sport than Arum will ever be. Yet we will never hear that from you two biased Flomos because, well we all know why.

Second, Mayweather will be broke once he's done with the sport and it will be hilarious. Look at how he was needing money and had tax problems from his first retirement. Pac may losehis boxing money but will never be broke, he loved and adored in his country and Asia. He has endorsements and his terrible music, cheesy movies and politics. What does Mayweather have after boxing? His own people don't buy his fights, he doesn't have endorsements, he can't make a complete sentence without stuttering and he's as dumb as a rock with his money right now. After his gambling, fake friends and paid off women, there's no 'he might be broke' it's a matter of when. Guaranteed.

Last, you and your sister keep my name out of your damn mouths. You have been proved time and time again to be wrong. So FU with this delusional nonsense you damn Flomo.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Woah chill man and a happy new year to you too.

Let's hope we get the super fight we all want albeit 4 years too late.

 

[Docker2.0]

Give me a Fn break.

First of all Fraud wants this as much as Arum does. You two clowns go on about Arum, yet ignore how Haymon is much more corrupt, puts out horrendous fight cards and is much worse for the sport than Arum will ever be. Yet we will never hear that from you two biased Flomos because, well we all know why.

Second, Mayweather will be broke once he's done with the sport and it will be hilarious. Look at how he was needing money and had tax problems from his first retirement. Pac may losehis boxing money but will never be broke, he loved and adored in his country and Asia. He has endorsements and his terrible music, cheesy movies and politics. What does Mayweather have after boxing? His own people don't buy his fights, he doesn't have endorsements, he can't make a complete sentence without stuttering and he's as dumb as a rock with his money right now. After his gambling, fake friends and paid off women, there's no 'he might be broke' it's a matter of when. Guaranteed.

Last, you and your sister keep my name out of your damn mouths. You have been proved time and time again to be wrong. So FU with this delusional nonsense you damn Flomo.

Unbelievable! You found a way to some how blame this on Floyd when Manny's own lawyer is saying Arum doesn't want the fight. UN-freaking-believable! You probably think Manny beat Marquez when he was face down on the mat to huh?

 

[Docker2.0]

Woah chill man and a happy new year to you too.

Let's hope we get the super fight we all want albeit 4 years too late.

Dude clearly has emotional issues. He takes this crap way to seriously.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Floyd Mayweather sent out this twitter pic with him and his fleet of Supercars and private jet with the word's

Welcome to my world


Welcome to my world

 

[Doc Samson]

Looks like Ward is finally home free. Now it's time to get back to business, hopefully, at least twice this year...

 

[Fallen Angel]

 

[Fallen Angel]

Rumours of Pacquiao V Mayweather contract signing in the next few weeks with the MGM Grand booked as a venue.

 

[Docker2.0]

Where's Iron Stark now?