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  • Larry Holmes

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  • Sugar Ray Robinson

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  • Joe Frazier

  • George Foreman

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  • Oscar De La Hoya

  • Roy Jones Jr

  • Sugar Ray Leonard

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  • Muhammad Ali

  • Sugar Ray Robinson

  • Floyd Mayweather

  • Manny Pacquiao

  • Jack Dempsey

  • Joe Louis

  • Larry Holmes

  • Shane Mosley

  • Lennox Lewis

  • Joe Frazier

  • George Foreman

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Promoter says Manny Pacquiao has agreed to terms for a Mayweather fight

LAS VEGAS -- Promoter Bob Arum told Yahoo Sports on Tuesday that Manny Pacquiao has agreed to terms for a May 2 bout with Floyd Mayweather, and that the only thing in the way of the long-awaited fight occurring is Mayweather's approval.

Arum said Mayweather's representatives have also agreed to the deal but have not been able to get Mayweather's agreement. However, there is no verification from anyone representing Mayweather whether Arum's side is accurate.

On Friday, the Los Angeles Times reported that progress was being made on making the match a reality. Multiple sources told Yahoo Sports over the weekend that a deal for the two superstars to fight at the MGM Grand Garden was imminent.

The sources told Yahoo Sports that not only have the sides agreed for the fight to be May 2 at the MGM, but also on a 60/40 purse split that would favor Mayweather. Mayweather could make in the range of $120 million. An MGM spokesman told Yahoo Sports that there was no deal for the fight to be held at the Grand Garden as far as he is aware.

In order to pay the astronomical salaries the fighters will command, ticket prices will be scaled at an all-time high. The top ticket at the MGM Grand Garden is expected to go for $5,000 so that the arena can be scaled to produce a $40 million live gate.

A $40 million live gate would be virtually double the existing record gate of $20,003,150, which was set at the MGM in 2013 by Mayweather and Canelo Alvarez.
Arum refused Tuesday to speak about details, but said Pacquiao was on board with all terms.

"I want to get some movement here, with bringing Mayweather to the table so we can go out and get everything signed and get the networks together and get the thing finished," Arum told Yahoo Sports on Tuesday.

Mayweather has an exclusive contract with Showtime and Pacquiao is obligated to HBO. It is not immediately clear which network will broadcast the fight, though it is expected that both will be involved. That was the solution worked out in 2002, when Mike Tyson (Showtime) fought Lennox Lewis (HBO) in Memphis, Tenn.

A Mayweather-Pacquiao bout first began to be seriously discussed in 2009. Mayweather ended a brief retirement by routing Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM on Sept. 19, 2009. Two months later, in perhaps the defining performance of his career, Pacquiao stopped Miguel Cotto at the MGM in the 12th round on Nov. 14, 2009.

It was clear at that point that they were not only the best welterweights in the world, but also the two best pound-for-pound fighters, period. While Mayweather is now widely acknowledged as the No. 1 fighter in the world, there was some debate in 2009 after Pacquiao stopped Cotto. Pacquiao was on a streak of 11 wins in a row that included dominant one-sided victories over Cotto, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales.

An agreement was close in 2009 for a March 2010 bout, but it fell apart when Pacquiao declined Mayweather's last-minute demand for drug testing.

Former HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg tried to mediate a deal between the sides in 2011, and talks seemed promising at one point before it lost momentum. And in 2012, Mayweather personally called Pacquiao and offered him a flat $40 million for the fight. Pacquiao declined because there was a lot more money in the fight and he wouldn't have gotten any pay-per-view revenue.

Arum declined to speak on the record over the weekend when reached by Yahoo Sports to discuss the rumors circulating that the fight was on the verge of being made. But early Tuesday, he spoke to Brad Cooney of Examiner.com and told Cooney that Pacquiao had agreed to terms.

In a conversation later Tuesday with Yahoo Sports, Arum was asked if he were trying to force Mayweather's hand by speaking publicly after he was so tight-lipped and adamantly refusing to comment over the weekend.

"I'm not trying to force anybody's hand, I'm just saying, 'Hey, we've agreed to everything, period,' " Arum told Yahoo Sports. "The people we have talked to on Mayweather's side have agreed to everything. Now we need Mayweather to step up and say, 'Yeah, I'm on board. I agree.'

"I'm not going to put a deadline on there. I'm just going to hope that everybody does the right thing and we get this concluded. It would be really sad if we went through this stuff again like we did before."

Arum said he and Pacquiao were "ignorant about the drug-testing stuff," when Mayweather first made the request for testing in the 2009 negotiations. He said Pacquiao has educated himself on it and has no problem to being tested and readily agreed to testing as part of his deal in getting the Mayweather fight.
He declined to talk specifics on Tuesday about purses, venue and the like, but said his only goal was to get a deal consummated. Pacquiao is flying to the U.S. on Wednesday and has meetings with Arum and then is doing publicity for a movie.

Arum said he hopes to avoid getting close to a deal, getting hopes up and then having it dashed.

If that's his position, it doesn't make sense to talk publicly about private negotiations, but that's always been Arum's style.

"The point is that I don't want what happened the other times to happen again," Arum said. "I want this fight to actually happen. I want everybody to make a lot of money on the fight. I want the public to be satisfied. And I think it will be a terrific event. That's what I want, and I've done everything in my power to make that happen.

"I think Manny has been very reasonable and demonstrated that he wants the fight to happen. Now, we're waiting on Floyd. That's not to say that Floyd has been obstinate, that Floyd won't do it, but we're waiting on him."

Top Rank is also working on a middleweight title fight between Alvarez, the Golden Boy star from Mexico, and WBC champion Miguel Cotto. Promoter Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy is on record saying he wants Alvarez to fight on May 2, and Arum has agreed that it made sense to have Alvarez fighting on a Mexican holiday.

But Arum said that if fighting on May 2 meant that much to Mayweather, he would look to make the Cotto-Alvarez fight for some other date. That fight still isn't finalized, though, and it's no guarantee that it will be.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...rms-for-floyd-mayweather-fight-012634983.html
 
Where's Iron Stark now?

Still here, and you still can't seem to keep my name out of your damn mouth.

You want me to continue to keep clowning you? What exactly have you ever said that was true or right? Every thing that comes out of you is wrong.

But by all means continue, I will still be here to school you and your other flomo girlfriend.

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So far from what I have read:

Pac wants this fight and has agreed to every Mayweather stipulation
Arum wants this fight and has agreed to every Mayweather stipulation
Les Moonves wants this fight and has given Stephen Espinoza the ultimatum to deliver this fight or it's your job, and has pretty much said no Mayweather on Showtime after these next two contracted fights and no more Haymon fighters on Showtime if the fight isn't made
Showtime and HBO want this fight and have agreed to work together, execs from both networks are meeting for a 2nd day in a row to discuss the fight

And crickets on Mayweather's side. Complete silence.

Flomo translation: Arum and Pac still don't want the fight doe
 
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Guess you told me huh? :dry: You take the internet waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to serious. This fight has been settled for about a month now. All this Floyd bashing you are doing is just plain moronic. :whatever:
 
Still here, and you still can't seem to keep my name out of your damn mouth.

You want me to continue to keep clowning you? What exactly have you ever said that was true or right? Every thing that comes out of you is wrong.

But by all means continue, I will still be here to school you and your other flomo girlfriend.

You need to follow your own advice. Whoever Docker sleeps with surely isn't as gorgeous as me.

As far as the fight goes, I think it's just posturing on Floyd's part, we'll find out shortly...
 
I would like to thank Iron Stark and Docker for making this thread a pissing contest between the two of them, and showing they both have no idea what they are talking about.
 
I would like to thank Iron Stark and Docker for making this thread a pissing contest between the two of them, and showing they both have no idea what they are talking about.

:huh: I've been on record as stating for about a month that this fight has been settled and all this is just for promoting this fight. That "big surprise" Floyd had for May of this year was the Manny fight all along. I don't know how anyone can say that I'm against fighter A or B when I've just been against the promoter Bob Arum who is getting sued left and right from his current and former fighters. It may appear that I'm against Manny but I'm actually a Manny fan, just sick of the Floyd bashing because people tend to see this thing as being one sided in which it's not.
 
:huh: I've been on record as stating for about a month that this fight has been settled and all this is just for promoting this fight. That "big surprise" Floyd had for May of this year was the Manny fight all along. I don't know how anyone can say that I'm against fighter A or B when I've just been against the promoter Bob Arum who is getting sued left and right from his current and former fighters. It may appear that I'm against Manny but I'm actually a Manny fan, just sick of the Floyd bashing because people tend to see this thing as being one sided in which it's not.
You do realize this is irrelevant right? You and Iron Stark can't help yourself, and in the process say the most ridiculous, off base things while you argue like cats. Iron Stark might be more over the top, but you continue to feed it by responding to him. He is the only one here who bashes Floyd.

Everyone who knows what they are talking about knows Manny was the reason the fight didn't happen when it originally should. Everyone who knows what they are talking about know the fight hasn't been made since Manny's loss because Floyd hates Arum and saw a bit too much risk to his 0.

If the fight happens now, it will be because of Floyd. Everyone knows Arum wants the fight now because Manny has used up almost all his worth. Do you need Iron Stark to confirm this for you to feel better?
 
I'm honestly not sure Manny is really at fault though. He has some say but I think it's more Arum than anyone else. But you are right, I do feed into Stark. But I haven't debated him in awhile and just wanted to hear if he at least wanted to give Mayweather some credit for the fight happening. Sadly he has not.


Anyway, can't wait until Saturday. We will find out if Deontay Wilder is the real deal or not. If you see photos from their press conference, you realize just how much the heavyweight division needs 2 different divisions. Wilder is 228 lbs while Stiveirne is like 245, so he almost out weighs him by 20 lbs. Most divisions have limits of 7 lbs. There really should be a Heavyweight division and Super Heavyweight division. I honestly don't want to see Wilder fight the Klits because they way around 260.......a 30 lb difference! They are good fighters but they are also way bigger than anyone else which really doesn't seem fair at all.
 
I would like to thank Iron Stark and Docker for making this thread a pissing contest between the two of them, and showing they both have no idea what they are talking about.

What? Everything I say is fact. Name one thing I've said that was not factual and proven to be wrong.

I have on plenty occasions proven Docker2.0 wrong, like Pac being contractually obligated to HBO and Top Rank and Golden Boy already working together.

The only ramblings that I go off that make me sound like I don't know what I'm talking about are my hate for Floyd and his fans.


I'm honestly not sure Manny is really at fault though. He has some say but I think it's more Arum than anyone else. But you are right, I do feed into Stark. But I haven't debated him in awhile and just wanted to hear if he at least wanted to give Mayweather some credit for the fight happening. Sadly he has not.


Anyway, can't wait until Saturday. We will find out if Deontay Wilder is the real deal or not. If you see photos from their press conference, you realize just how much the heavyweight division needs 2 different divisions. Wilder is 228 lbs while Stiveirne is like 245, so he almost out weighs him by 20 lbs. Most divisions have limits of 7 lbs. There really should be a Heavyweight division and Super Heavyweight division. I honestly don't want to see Wilder fight the Klits because they way around 260.......a 30 lb difference! They are good fighters but they are also way bigger than anyone else which really doesn't seem fair at all.

Did I miss something? Has the fight been signed? I'm not going to give anyone credit and won't believe the fight will happen until they're getting their pre-fight instructions in the ring.

And as far as Floyd making this fight happen, yes, if the fight does happen (a BIG IF) Floyd will be credited with it getting made, but lets not act like Floyd wants this, he was forced into this by everyone. If he goes on to fight Khan, Cotto or anyone else in the welterweight division he would get laughed out of town. There's only one fight the public and everyone else demands.

:huh: I've been on record as stating for about a month that this fight has been settled and all this is just for promoting this fight. That "big surprise" Floyd had for May of this year was the Manny fight all along. I don't know how anyone can say that I'm against fighter A or B when I've just been against the promoter Bob Arum who is getting sued left and right from his current and former fighters. It may appear that I'm against Manny but I'm actually a Manny fan, just sick of the Floyd bashing because people tend to see this thing as being one sided in which it's not.

Yet you don't say anything about Al Haymon who also has also been sued left and right, has put terrible fight cards. Last years cards were pathetic (Rod Salka) and this year is starting off just as bad (except for the Guerrero/Thurman fight, the rest of those proposed NBC fights look terrible) and then there's his blatant protection of Adrien Broner (bum #3 in a row coming up). Also you constantly talk about how Arum keeps his fights in house (which I have already proven you wrong on this) well when was the last time an Al Haymon guy fought someone from another stable? When is one of Haymon guys going to fight another promotor's fighter?

Yeah but Arum is bad for boxing huh.
 
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Wow! So Molina is a bum now? I think he's quite possibly Broner's stiffest test, second only to Maidana. As far as Al Haymon goes, we also have Garcia/Peterson as well. Not going to argue with you because Darth is right. Debating with you is pointless and no matter what, we are all "flomos" in your eyes because we give Mayweather some credit.
 
You guy's are awesome.
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In other news tomorrow night is Stiverne Vs Wilder for the WBC Heavyweight title. Say's a lot for the division doesn't it when these guys' are fighting for the WBC HW title.

I think If Wilder doesn't take him out in 5 Stiverne take it.
 
Wow! So Molina is a bum now? I think he's quite possibly Broner's stiffest test, second only to Maidana. As far as Al Haymon goes, we also have Garcia/Peterson as well. Not going to argue with you because Darth is right. Debating with you is pointless and no matter what, we are all "flomos" in your eyes because we give Mayweather some credit.

Molina lost to Humberto freaking Soto in his last fight, he's lost his last two fights in a row and has been 3-4 in his last 7 fights. He got blasted by DeMacro in ONE round the same DeMarco who Broner Knocked out. Yes a bum. Broner needs to stop hiding from Matthysse. Heck, Broner vs Soto would've been better. But like I said, Broner is being protected.

Garcia/Peterson is also a sh_ fight. Peterson got blasted by Matthysse in 3 rounds and has been busted for using and selling PEDs. Garcia needs to rematch Herrera, he and everyone else knows he lost that fight.

If Arum had put out BS like this you'd be all over it, but since it's your savior of boxing Haymon BS fights like these are OK with you.

Like I said the only decent fights coming up are the Thurman/Guerrero, Wilder/Stiverne fights, but those were mainly Golden Boy putting those together and them fighting for Golden Boy one last time. Thurman/Guerrero winner and Wilder better be prepared for their careers to take nose dives once they become Haymon exclusive, just ask Peter Quillin.

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I just remembered, Leo Santa Cruz fights this Saturday on the Wilder/Stiverne undercard against another bum. Now this guy is being protected more than Broner! And if you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you or show you how Haymon is a cancer to the sport!
 
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You guy's are awesome.
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In other news tomorrow night is Stiverne Vs Wilder for the WBC Heavyweight title. Say's a lot for the division doesn't it when these guys' are fighting for the WBC HW title.

I think If Wilder doesn't take him out in 5 Stiverne take it.

Eh, I don't know. Stiverne has surprisingly quick hands but I think Wilder's length may play a role in this fight, not to mention stamina as well. Stiverne is a big guy but he looked gassed in his fight against Areola. I got Wilder in 7.
 
Wilder will win because it makes the most financial sense. That is right, I am calling fix.
 
Did I miss something? Has the fight been signed? I'm not going to give anyone credit and won't believe the fight will happen until they're getting their pre-fight instructions in the ring.

And as far as Floyd making this fight happen, yes, if the fight does happen (a BIG IF) Floyd will be credited with it getting made, but lets not act like Floyd wants this, he was forced into this by everyone. If he goes on to fight Khan, Cotto or anyone else in the welterweight division he would get laughed out of town. There's only one fight the public and everyone else demands.
You do realize that Roach admitted they were the reason the original negotiations fell through right? The only reason Manny's team wants this now is because they need Floyd. Manny's last fight was literally a joke.

And I would loved Mayweather v. Cotto 2. First fight was great and a rematch has the potential to be better. Plenty of fight fans agree.
 
Wilder will win because it makes the most financial sense. That is right, I am calling fix.
Yeah I can see it happening because everyone knows that Wilder has the best chance of beating the Klits because of his height and he has a puncher's chance. But I wouldn't say it's fixed. I think Wilder will just literally knock him out. Stiverne is a stationary fighter.

You do realize that Roach admitted they were the reason the original negotiations fell through right? The only reason Manny's team wants this now is because they need Floyd. Manny's last fight was literally a joke.

And I would loved Mayweather v. Cotto 2. First fight was great and a rematch has the potential to be better. Plenty of fight fans agree.
You will now be labeled a "Flomo" for that. :o And to be honest, I'd love to see Floyd vs Cotto but after Paq. It's bs and they do need to fight. I will say that most of the time, the person that talks the most and loudest are the main ones who don't want it. Floyd hasn't said a word but Manny and Arum are going to the media about the fight. Again, I'm record saying that this thing is already settled and will be announced during the Super Bowl but if it doesn't happen and Paq fights Jessie Vargas(which I predicted he would a few months back)then F them both.
 
Wilder has nothing for Wlad. Absolutely nothing.

You will now be labeled a "Flomo" for that. :o And to be honest, I'd love to see Floyd vs Cotto but after Paq. It's bs and they do need to fight. I will say that most of the time, the person that talks the most and loudest are the main ones who don't want it. Floyd hasn't said a word but Manny and Arum are going to the media about the fight. Again, I'm record saying that this thing is already settled and will be announced during the Super Bowl but if it doesn't happen and Paq fights Jessie Vargas(which I predicted he would a few months back)then F them both.
The problem with Floyd/Manny is there is nothing in it for Floyd, outside of the money of course. This should be a legacy fight, but if he kicks Manny's ass, we will get the classic, "Manny wasn't in his prime". Forget the fact that the reason this didn't happen half a decade ago was Manny.
 
Wilder has nothing for Wlad. Absolutely nothing.


The problem with Floyd/Manny is there is nothing in it for Floyd, outside of the money of course. This should be a legacy fight, but if he kicks Manny's ass, we will get the classic, "Manny wasn't in his prime". Forget the fact that the reason this didn't happen half a decade ago was Manny.

1) Wilder sparred with the Klits so he should know them. If anyone has a chance NOW to beat them, it's him. Though I don't think he will. But he has a small chance.

2) I agree. Mayweather gains nothing but money from this fight. If he wins, he waited to late to fight him. If he loses, he was always scared. He can't win either way. But for his legacy, he has to have him on his record.
 
There is a PPV feel to this Wilder/Stivierne fight. There seems to be some life in the division minus the Klits. Says a lot.
 
You do realize that Roach admitted they were the reason the original negotiations fell through right? The only reason Manny's team wants this now is because they need Floyd. Manny's last fight was literally a joke.

And I would loved Mayweather v. Cotto 2. First fight was great and a rematch has the potential to be better. Plenty of fight fans agree.

Floyd wants to be recognized as the best middleweight, then he should fight GGG. Mayweather/Cotto is more meaningless than the Pac fight and do nothing for his legacy since he already beat him.

Where have I said Pac is to be blameless in this whole mess.





About tonight's fight, great win by Wilder, but Klitschko merks both these guys easily.
 
My gawd does Stiverne have a chin! He took some haymakers and was still standing. Wilder actually boxed tonight but he looked really tired in the 10th round. I think some of it was nerves but glad he brought the belt back to the USA. Tyson Fury is supposedly next but if I'm Wilder, I don't fight the Klits at all without a weight clause.
 
Very impressive performance by Wilder but he will be fed to Wlad by the end of next year tops.
 
I hope he doesn't fight him. Wilder will be out weighed by 40 lbs! And the way Wlad holds and smother guys, it should be illegal. But Wilder is already on record saying he wants Tyson Fury next so we will see.
 
Floyd wants to be recognized as the best middleweight, then he should fight GGG. Mayweather/Cotto is more meaningless than the Pac fight and do nothing for his legacy since he already beat him.

Where have I said Pac is to be blameless in this whole mess.





About tonight's fight, great win by Wilder, but Klitschko merks both these guys easily.

I thought Floyd was a welterweight? And wanted to be known as the best fighter period in history.
 
He is a Welterweight.

But Cotto is the lineal Middleweight champion and he is no 160lb Middleweight. It would be an easy fight again for Floyd.
 
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