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Lucian Bute vs Carl Froch: Two-Fight Deal For Canada and UK in 2012
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http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/12/...arl-froch-two-fight-deal-showtime-boxing-news
Nice find Project! But I have Bute winning both fights by tko in 7 rounds. Stark, take a hint. :o
 
No reason to lay your hands on a woman like that. And to do it in front of the kids? Scumbag confirmed.
 

He won't concede that Docker, I been saying the same stuff in here just a few pages back, Bob Arum never had intentions of letting Pacquiao fight Floyd, or it would've happened already.

As much garbage that comes out of Arum's mouth, he's not stupid. And he knows unless Manny has a decent showing against Floyd (which I severely doubt) his cashcow is going to get milked. So he wants to line Manny up with as many Top Rank fighters as possible, and once he's done using him and stealing his money, he won't care if he loses.

But he's running the risk of making Manny disinterested with these other guys he doesn't want to fight, and if that happens, he could very well get beat by a lesser boxer, which would be way worse than losing to Mayweather.
 


Mayweather's still a woman beating scumbag. Mayweather would rather sit in jail than fight Martinez of Paqcuiao.

Sure he can call out Paquiao all he wants, but at the end of the day he'll fight an inexperienced fighter like Canelo Alvarez or someone that isn't all that good, like Robert Guerrero (who incidentally, they were looking to fight, before Guerrero's team turned them down)

Everyone involved in this mess are a bunch of b***es. Gone are the days when the two best fighters in the world would fight.
 
He won't concede that Docker, I been saying the same stuff in here just a few pages back, Bob Arum never had intentions of letting Pacquiao fight Floyd, or it would've happened already.

As much garbage that comes out of Arum's mouth, he's not stupid. And he knows unless Manny has a decent showing against Floyd (which I severely doubt) his cashcow is going to get milked. So he wants to line Manny up with as many Top Rank fighters as possible, and once he's done using him and stealing his money, he won't care if he loses.

But he's running the risk of making Manny disinterested with these other guys he doesn't want to fight, and if that happens, he could very well get beat by a lesser boxer, which would be way worse than losing to Mayweather.

You are so right it's not even funny! It's guys like Iron Stark who STILL can't see that it's Bob Arum even though you have a unbias sports writer who has blasted Mayweather in the past but now finally sees the truth. Sadly, there seems to be no hope for Iron Stark. :csad:
 
You are so right it's not even funny! It's guys like Iron Stark who STILL can't see that it's Bob Arum even though you have a unbias sports writer who has blasted Mayweather in the past but now finally sees the truth. Sadly, there seems to be no hope for Iron Stark. :csad:

Hope for what? To become a blind Mayweather fan? I don't buy into that woman beating scumbag's B.S. just like I don't buy into Arum's B.S.

I guess you think Mayweather had some reasonable excuse to beat up on his baby's mom in front of their kids?
 
Sure he can call out Paquiao all he wants, but at the end of the day he'll fight an inexperienced fighter like Canelo Alvarez or someone that isn't all that good, like Robert Guerrero (who incidentally, they were looking to fight, before Guerrero's team turned them down)

So a 4th JMM fight for Pacquiao is better?

There's nothing keeping them from fighting other than Bob Arum, which has always been the case and you should know that by now. Arum never intended for Manny to fight him until he was done milking him. On the other hand, if Mayweather stayed with Top Rank, they would've been in a 3 fight trilogy years ago lol, if you want to call anybody a scumbag, its most certainly him!

No cut sustained in that JMM fight would need that much time to heal, its beyond ludicrous, especially when Arum was ready to substitute Manny for Floyd on May 5th prior to his sentence being pushed back. The cut was fine before, then when the judge makes Floyd available to fight, its a problem again? This dude is insane...
 
So a 4th JMM fight for Pacquiao is better?

There's nothing keeping them from fighting other than Bob Arum, which has always been the case and you should know that by now. Arum never intended for Manny to fight him until he was done milking him. On the other hand, if Mayweather stayed with Top Rank, they would've been in a 3 fight trilogy years ago lol, if you want to call anybody a scumbag, its most certainly him!

No cut sustained in that JMM fight would need that much time to heal, its beyond ludicrous, especially when Arum was ready to substitute Manny for Floyd on May 5th prior to his sentence being pushed back. The cut was fine before, then when the judge makes Floyd available to fight, its a problem again? This dude is insane...


I NEVER said a 4th fight with JMM was better, quote me where I said that or find a quote of mine where I'm praising Bob Arum. He's equally to blame for this fight not getting made as Mr. Womanbeater.
 
I NEVER said a 4th fight with JMM was better, quote me where I said that or find a quote of mine where I'm praising Bob Arum. He's equally to blame for this fight not getting made as Mr. Womanbeater.

Dude you are so badly in need for counseling it's not even funny! I can't wait for Mayweather to embarass Paq just so he can shut the naysayers(Iron Stark)up. What's up with your hate for the guy?! :huh: I think Mayweather is a jerk as well but there's no denying his skill and the fact that Arum is the biggest hang up to this fight, not Mayweather or Pacquio. That's what I don't get about guys like you. I honestly believe that by this summer Paq is going to try and leave Arum because his native Philippines is starting to even see it but some Paq fans(like yourself) just keep blaming Mayweather. He is not to blame here! It's BOB ARUM!!!!
 
Dude you are so badly in need for counseling it's not even funny! I can't wait for Mayweather to embarass Paq just so he can shut the naysayers(Iron Stark)up. What's up with your hate for the guy?! :huh: I think Mayweather is a jerk as well but there's no denying his skill and the fact that Arum is the biggest hang up to this fight, not Mayweather or Pacquio. That's what I don't get about guys like you. I honestly believe that by this summer Paq is going to try and leave Arum because his native Philippines is starting to even see it but some Paq fans(like yourself) just keep blaming Mayweather. He is not to blame here! It's BOB ARUM!!!!

LOl, just because I think Mayweather is an insecure, *****ey, woman-beating scumbag, doesn't mean I need counseling.

And for the 10000000000th time, I. AM. NOT. A. Paquaio fan.

Like I keep saying after every friggen post, Everyone is to blame for this fight not getting made. EVERYONE.
 
LOl, just because I think Mayweather is an insecure, *****ey, woman-beating scumbag, doesn't mean I need counseling.

And for the 10000000000th time, I. AM. NOT. A. Paquaio fan.

Like I keep saying after every friggen post, Everyone is to blame for this fight not getting made. EVERYONE.

Well you come off like a Pacquiao fan because you harp on Mayweather for things that Manny has done too, but you don't bring that up with him. Your worse than Skip Bayless how you shape and mold points to fit your argument when its convenient, instead of using the facts.

I already quoted you some pages back where you said yourself Manny wouldn't beat Mayweather months ago, so I know you don't really believe it, but you still maintain this stance where you seem to hate Floyd, I wonder what he did to you?

Without him, nobody would even care about Pacquiao, nobody in the states anyway. Bob Arum's been marketing Manny as the man who can beat Floyd Mayweather, while at the same time making sure he doesn't actually send him into the ring against him until he's finished sucking him dry. If the whole world can't see this by now, they never will. Floyd never ducked, never ran, never avoided Manny at all, its just incorrect.

The same tests Pacquiao is agreeing to now are the same tests that he wouldn't agree to 2 years ago? He was ready to fight May 5th before Floyd announced his sentence was pushed back, now he can't fight? You say Floyd never called anybody out before (which again was factually wrong, he did call out Mosley, De La Hoya, Tszyu & Gatti) so now he's doing it, what's the issue? Its out there on the table, if he winds up having to fight someone else, how is it his fault?
 
Well you come off like a Pacquiao fan because you harp on Mayweather for things that Manny has done too, but you don't bring that up with him. Your worse than Skip Bayless how you shape and mold points to fit your argument when its convenient, instead of using the facts.

For what Manny has done? All he has done is pick the best available opponents, something Floyd hasn't done since losing and rematching Castillo.

All I use are FACTS. Mayweather is insecure, FACT. Mayweather is a woman beating scumbag, FACT. Mayweather is a *****ey prick, FACT.

I already quoted you some pages back where you said yourself Manny wouldn't beat Mayweather months ago, so I know you don't really believe it, but you still maintain this stance where you seem to hate Floyd, I wonder what he did to you?

Everyone has a chance. If that was the case, they should've just gone ahead and given the Lombardi trophy to the Packers a few weeks ago when they were undefeated and looked unbeatable.

Without him, nobody would even care about Pacquiao, nobody in the states anyway. Bob Arum's been marketing Manny as the man who can beat Floyd Mayweather, while at the same time making sure he doesn't actually send him into the ring against him until he's finished sucking him dry. If the whole world can't see this by now, they never will. Floyd never ducked, never ran, never avoided Manny at all, its just incorrect.

The same tests Pacquiao is agreeing to now are the same tests that he wouldn't agree to 2 years ago? He was ready to fight May 5th before Floyd announced his sentence was pushed back, now he can't fight? You say Floyd never called anybody out before (which again was factually wrong, he did call out Mosley, De La Hoya, Tszyu & Gatti) so now he's doing it, what's the issue? Its out there on the table, if he winds up having to fight someone else, how is it his fault?

B.S., Bull Mf'ing S.... Without Mayweather nobody would care about Manny? Spoken like a true delusional Mayweather fan. Did you just start watching boxing a year or two ago or something? Manny's legacy is intact and secure without Mayweather. Mayweather needs Manny more than Manny needs him. What are Floyd's career defining fighs? Or better yet, what's his ONE career defining fight? What's the fight where he had to gut out a win? When did he have an Ali/Frasier type rivalry/trilogy? He hasn't, Many has and that's why 20 years from now people will still be talking about him, while Mayweather will be nothing more than a footnote in the history books.
 
Well you come off like a Pacquiao fan because you harp on Mayweather for things that Manny has done too, but you don't bring that up with him. Your worse than Skip Bayless how you shape and mold points to fit your argument when its convenient, instead of using the facts.

I already quoted you some pages back where you said yourself Manny wouldn't beat Mayweather months ago, so I know you don't really believe it, but you still maintain this stance where you seem to hate Floyd, I wonder what he did to you?

Without him, nobody would even care about Pacquiao, nobody in the states anyway. Bob Arum's been marketing Manny as the man who can beat Floyd Mayweather, while at the same time making sure he doesn't actually send him into the ring against him until he's finished sucking him dry. If the whole world can't see this by now, they never will. Floyd never ducked, never ran, never avoided Manny at all, its just incorrect.

The same tests Pacquiao is agreeing to now are the same tests that he wouldn't agree to 2 years ago? He was ready to fight May 5th before Floyd announced his sentence was pushed back, now he can't fight? You say Floyd never called anybody out before (which again was factually wrong, he did call out Mosley, De La Hoya, Tszyu & Gatti) so now he's doing it, what's the issue? Its out there on the table, if he winds up having to fight someone else, how is it his fault?

You speak nothing but truth in this thread! Just not in the NBA thread! :cwink: Way to call out Stark on his man crush of Paq!
 
For what Manny has done? All he has done is pick the best available opponents, something Floyd hasn't done since losing and rematching Castillo.

All I use are FACTS. Mayweather is insecure, FACT. Mayweather is a woman beating scumbag, FACT. Mayweather is a *****ey prick, FACT.

Best available opponents who all happen to be with Top Rank? All made to order? Slow, plodding, brawlers with no tactical skill?

The Facts are Mayweather might be all those things you said, but inside the ring, he also happens to be the best. Period. Until proven otherwise. Until your man "sacs up" as you would say :whatever:, and does something to change it.

By the way, if you want signature, he beat Castillo with a damaged rotator cuff, which I've already told you. Still won. Then in the rematch he blew him out the water. Still giving up almost 10 pounds to the guy. These JMM rematches just keep getting worse for your guy, but what's his excuse, his shoulder's fine. Oh he's more heroic and tough though, right?

Everyone has a chance. If that was the case, they should've just gone ahead and given the Lombardi trophy to the Packers a few weeks ago when they were undefeated and looked unbeatable.

This ain't football, there's nobody else in there but these two men. And when it comes down to it, one of them is clearly superior. Clearly.

B.S., Bull Mf'ing S.... Without Mayweather nobody would care about Manny? Spoken like a true delusional Mayweather fan. Did you just start watching boxing a year or two ago or something? Manny's legacy is intact and secure without Mayweather. Mayweather needs Manny more than Manny needs him. What are Floyd's career defining fighs? Or better yet, what's his ONE career defining fight? What's the fight where he had to gut out a win? When did he have an Ali/Frasier type rivalry/trilogy? He hasn't, Many has and that's why 20 years from now people will still be talking about him, while Mayweather will be nothing more than a footnote in the history books.

And this right here is probably the most asinine thing you've said in awhile, and you say something ridiculous every time you come in here.

First of all, how is Pacquiao's legacy secure without Mayweather when he only came to prominence through being the guy to supposedly beat Floyd? Has anyone ever mentioned Manny Pacquiao without talking about Floyd? Were you aware of him in 1999? 2000? '01? '02? Can you name anybody he fought before 2003 without looking it up? Can you confirm that any of those guys were actually good?

Floyd's been great for over a decade, I don't know how many times I have to tell you this (I think, perhaps, your the one new to boxing :huh:) He was a great amateur who people have seen climb the ranks and gain his status as the best there is today, with no defeats. You already said before that even if Floyd wipes Manny out, you wouldn't put him with the all time greats, so you, are the delusional nutcase, nobody else.

Tell me, what's Pacquiao's signature win? Against who? Morales beat him when Erik was already passed his prime as a fighter, and Pac has yet to convincingly beat JMM in three fights? Those are the two best boxers he's ever fought, outside of De La Hoya who was washed!

So what did he do that was so spectacular? 4 of his last 7 fights were people Floyd beat too! "Oh well he didn't fight Cotto or Margarito!" Well Cotto can step up right now, instead he's looking for Pacquiao. None of these guys are in the same universe with Floyd Mayweather, let alone the same league. He said it best himself:

"I'm extraordinary. I make every fighter, look ordinary."

Hmm, I like that, might be time to update the ol' sig.....
 
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Doc Samson, you are wrong. Iron Stark is not a Paq fan. :dry: Yeah, you are imagining things. :o







































































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Doc Samson, you are wrong. Iron Stark is not a Paq fan. :dry: Yeah, you are imagining things. :o

Yeah, interesting fellow that Iron Stark is. Hopefully he can just come out the Pacquiao closet and own it already
 
Pacquiao only being popular and relevant because of Floyd is some crazy talk. Floyd being popular because of Pac is crazy as well.

Doc, I agree with you that Floyd is the superior boxer, but to say he is the reason Pac is popular is crazy and completely untrue. Very few people would agree with you on that front.

Pacquiao and Floyd turning into boxing superstars after fighting Oscar, and enhancing their popularity after convincing wins, now that is the truth.

Anyway, IMO, the reason Floyd-Manny didn't happen before was because Floyd was scared as hell of Pac. Nowadays, after the JMM III fight, Floyd has lost his fear of Pac, and it's Arum who's scared as hell now for Pac.
 
I don't think Floyd was ever afraid of Paq. I just don't think he wanted to deal with Arum. Huge difference.
 
Nice to see the Mayweather lovers not answer one single question about Mayweather.

Ofcourse Mayweather has had more exposure than Manny, hello genius he's older. And as for popularity, who gives a **** if Manny wasn't known before 2003, he's known more now and more popular WORLD WIDE than Mayweather would ever dream of. And did it in a faster time than Mayweather. While May was fighting the Bruseles and N'Dou's of the world(remember that 3 year stretch?) Manny was fighting the Mexican greats.

So his signature win is an opponent from a decade ago??? :pal::lmao::funny:

Signature wins for Manny, didn't I already go over this? Here you go

Morales 3x
Barerra 2x
JMM 3x
Cotto
Margarito
Hatton

Mayweather could only wish he had that type of resume.

And the truth is, I really don't like Manny, just hate Mayweather and his fans way more. Remind me of the Trinidiots of back in the day.
 
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