The Official Boxing Thread!!!

[Docker2.0]

Sure Stark. You sure do sound like a Manny hater and a Mayweather fan.


PS- Bill Clinton was more honest when he said he and Monica Lewinsky never had sexual relations.

 

[Doc Samson]

Pacquiao only being popular and relevant because of Floyd is some crazy talk. Floyd being popular because of Pac is crazy as well.

Doc, I agree with you that Floyd is the superior boxer, but to say he is the reason Pac is popular is crazy and completely untrue. Very few people would agree with you on that front.

Pacquiao and Floyd turning into boxing superstars after fighting Oscar, and enhancing their popularity after convincing wins, now that is the truth.

Anyway, IMO, the reason Floyd-Manny didn't happen before was because Floyd was scared as hell of Pac. Nowadays, after the JMM III fight, Floyd has lost his fear of Pac, and it's Arum who's scared as hell now for Pac.

While I respect your opinion I have to disagree on a few fronts.

Pac's popularity is directly a result of people's disdain for Floyd, and his approach to boxing. I've never met or seen, in personal life, on television, with critics, with analysts, anybody who likes Manny Pacquiao that doesn't absolutely hate Floyd Mayweather. They hold Manny up as this gold standard on the way boxing should be, as if what Floyd does is inferior because he doesn't want to block punches with his face.

Furthermore, these Pacquiao sack swingers can't even tell you anything about him before 2003, so how much of a fan can they really be? The people I ride for, who I admire and respect, are people I've followed since the beginning. Floyd since the Olympics, Roy Jones since the early 90's, Andre Ward, Kobe Bryant I was watching play ball here in PA before he even stepped on the NBA court, so I have reasoning behind my adulation. I've watched the progression from A-Z, and I respect it!

NOBODY was talking, interested, or behind Manny Pacquiao until he became someone they thought could silence Floyd. As much as Joe Frazier did in his career, he's always and forever tied to Muhammad Ali, as the polar opposite, blue collar humble man that white people rallied behind. This isn't much different, and kind of ironic, when you consider Ali & Floyd were both playing characters to sell fights. People who believe that's who they really are identify themselves immediately to me as ignorant, at least in regards to the boxing game & marketing.

Also, as I've been saying from the beginning, Bob Arum was and is the problem between this fight taking place. Mayweather, deservedly so, probably never wanted to do business with him after being robbed blind for money he's still never seen. But he and his uncle & father have been saying the same things about Manny from the start, the plain truth, which is he's a great fighter but a marginal boxer at best, who stylistically, would be one of Floyd's easier opponents.

This isn't something they just realized after watching the JMM fight. What they did realize is that Manny is running the risk of ruining the fight if he manages to lose to JMM in a fourth match. So now they're stepping up the PR stuff to make it known they want to get this done now. To call anybody who steps into the ring "scared" especially with someone who has the pedigree of Mayweather, is just disrespectful on a few levels. Scared of what, exactly? He's bigger, faster, & more talented. If anything, he felt Pacquaio wasn't deserving to be in that position that fast, I tend to agree.

 

[Iron_Stark]

That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. People only care about Manny because they hate Floyd? LMAOOOOOOO

Dude, seriously, get Floyds nutsack out of your face, even if they weren't in the same weight class, people would still care about Manny. He's known WORLD WIDE, do you know what that means?

So what's your point about not knowing anything about Manny pre-2003? He didn't have any amateur experience and his fights were never shown on TV. So people can't be real fans just because of that? How idiotic is that.

Seriously, boxing doesn't revolve around Mayweather and boxing will go on even if Mayweather never fights again.

You need to watch more boxing and not just follow people of a certain skin color.

 

[Doc Samson]

That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. People only care about Manny because they hate Floyd? LMAOOOOOOO

Dude, seriously, get Floyds nutsack out of your face, even if they weren't in the same weight class, people would still care about Manny. He's known WORLD WIDE, do you know what that means?

So what's your point about not knowing anything about Manny pre-2003? He didn't have any amateur experience and his fights were never shown on TV. So people can't be real fans just because of that? How idiotic is that.

Seriously, boxing doesn't revolve around Mayweather and boxing will go on even if Mayweather never fights again.

You need to watch more boxing and not just follow people of a certain skin color.

I suggest you watch more boxing and stop hating on people of a certain skin color. I never said I had a problem with Manny, I actually give him his respect as a great fighter, perhaps even legendary fighter, something you fail to do with Floyd, for whatever scatter brained reason.

The point I've maintained from the start is that while Manny's a tremendous fighter, he's not a good boxer, and there's clear distinction between the two. He hasn't even faced that many good boxers, let alone technical, crafty guys with faster hands than him. And when he has squared off with fighters with even a little bit of technique and prowess, he's had problems. So how in the world is he supposed to be this "Mayweather killer" if he's never been in the ring with that class of boxer before? And obviously Bob Arum knows this as well, or else they would've fought already, its pretty cut and dry.

You on the other hand let your bias and hatred for someone you don't even know "color" your opinion and make you sound more idiotic than I hope you really are, borderline ******ed actually.

Boxing today actually does revolve around Floyd Mayweather, as far as the general public goes, and when I speak about Manny's popularity that's who I'm referencing, the general public. Of course hardcore boxing fans will watch anything, but they aren't the ones lining these guys' pockets to this degree, the common joe schmoe is, and that guy only cares about Manny because of Floyd, period.

Your the same guy who just said this:

And the truth is, I really don't like Manny, just hate Mayweather and his fans way more. Remind me of the Trinidiots of back in the day.

So, your basically making my point for me, yet still trying to argue..something? LMAO, I mean, I thought you were comical at one point, but now I'm starting to worry about you, seriously. Do you even read these posts or skim through it?

 

[antonydelfini]

While I respect your opinion I have to disagree on a few fronts.

Pac's popularity is directly a result of people's disdain for Floyd, and his approach to boxing. I've never met or seen, in personal life, on television, with critics, with analysts, anybody who likes Manny Pacquiao that doesn't absolutely hate Floyd Mayweather. They hold Manny up as this gold standard on the way boxing should be, as if what Floyd does is inferior because he doesn't want to block punches with his face.

Furthermore, these Pacquiao sack swingers can't even tell you anything about him before 2003, so how much of a fan can they really be? The people I ride for, who I admire and respect, are people I've followed since the beginning. Floyd since the Olympics, Roy Jones since the early 90's, Andre Ward, Kobe Bryant I was watching play ball here in PA before he even stepped on the NBA court, so I have reasoning behind my adulation. I've watched the progression from A-Z, and I respect it!

NOBODY was talking, interested, or behind Manny Pacquiao until he became someone they thought could silence Floyd. As much as Joe Frazier did in his career, he's always and forever tied to Muhammad Ali, as the polar opposite, blue collar humble man that white people rallied behind. This isn't much different, and kind of ironic, when you consider Ali & Floyd were both playing characters to sell fights. People who believe that's who they really are identify themselves immediately to me as ignorant, at least in regards to the boxing game & marketing.

Also, as I've been saying from the beginning, Bob Arum was and is the problem between this fight taking place. Mayweather, deservedly so, probably never wanted to do business with him after being robbed blind for money he's still never seen. But he and his uncle & father have been saying the same things about Manny from the start, the plain truth, which is he's a great fighter but a marginal boxer at best, who stylistically, would be one of Floyd's easier opponents.

This isn't something they just realized after watching the JMM fight. What they did realize is that Manny is running the risk of ruining the fight if he manages to lose to JMM in a fourth match. So now they're stepping up the PR stuff to make it known they want to get this done now. To call anybody who steps into the ring "scared" especially with someone who has the pedigree of Mayweather, is just disrespectful on a few levels. Scared of what, exactly? He's bigger, faster, & more talented. If anything, he felt Pacquaio wasn't deserving to be in that position that fast, I tend to agree.

Doc, I could say the same about Floyd, that he wasn't a household name before Oscar, that most people didn't know about Floyd's accomplishments before Oscar. Manny had the Morales trilogy, Barrera duology, and 2 fights with JMM before Floyd even came up in Manny's radar. The reason, IMO, that Floyd became a superstar was 24/7 and the Oscar fight, his boxing genius, and his evil Money persona. The reason Manny became a superstar, IMO, is because of his Oscar fight, his legendary wars with the Mexican legends, his philanthropy, and his rags to riches story. The 2 men became superstars in their own way, that even if one of them did not become a boxer, they would have become superstars anyway.

The reason Floyd is always mentioned when someone speaks of Manny is not because Manny is only popular because of Floyd and vice versa. The reason why they've become intertwined is because both of them have reached the top of the boxing world and there's nobody else people want to see fight but each other. Simply because they're the top 2. Nobody else comes close to their popularity. In the time of Leonard, there were Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez to mix it up. These days, we only have 2 superstars. The rivalry between the 2 has contributed to Manny's popularity and to Floyd's as well, but is not the main reason for both men's popularity. The truth is, Manny is as famous as Floyd in the USA, but outside USA, Manny is the king. And I don't think any person outside the USA would tell you that Manny is only popular because of Floyd cause many of them are not even aware of Floyd. Actually, Doc, you're the only person I know (aside from Floyd Jr.) that claims Manny is only famous because of Floyd.

 

[Doc Samson]

Doc, I could say the same about Floyd, that he wasn't a household name before Oscar, that most people didn't know about Floyd's accomplishments before Oscar. Manny had the Morales trilogy, Barrera duology, and 2 fights with JMM before Floyd even came up in Manny's radar. The reason, IMO, that Floyd became a superstar was 24/7 and the Oscar fight, his boxing genius, and his evil Money persona. The reason Manny became a superstar, IMO, is because of his Oscar fight, his legendary wars with the Mexican legends, his philanthropy, and his rags to riches story. The 2 men became superstars in their own way, that even if one of them did not become a boxer, they would have become superstars anyway.

The reason Floyd is always mentioned when someone speaks of Manny is not because Manny is only popular because of Floyd and vice versa. The reason why they've become intertwined is because both of them have reached the top of the boxing world and there's nobody else people want to see fight but each other. Simply because they're the top 2. Nobody else comes close to their popularity. In the time of Leonard, there were Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez to mix it up. These days, we only have 2 superstars. The rivalry between the 2 has contributed to Manny's popularity and to Floyd's as well, but is not the main reason for both men's popularity. The truth is, Manny is as famous as Floyd in the USA, but outside USA, Manny is the king. And I don't think any person outside the USA would tell you that Manny is only popular because of Floyd cause many of them are not even aware of Floyd. Actually, Doc, you're the only person I know (aside from Floyd Jr.) that claims Manny is only famous because of Floyd.

I can respect what your saying, but like I said, when he was fighting the "mexican legends" nobody was really following him like that in the states, i think that's pretty cut and dry. Among hispanics of course, he may have been a bit more popular, but as I keep saying, I'm referring to the general public, the regular people who aren't hardcore fans but know who he is right now.

All of that is a result of disdain for Floyd, it really is. Because none of those people probably know who Barrera or Morales are right now, boxing fans do, not regular people who just watch ppv events. And it's those people who make the fights huge!

I agree, Mayweather got better name after the Oscar fight, but even before, he had a pretty decent name just from getting robbed in the Olympics, like Roy Jones. All I'm saying is, there was a progression, a televised progression, that fans have been able to follow and appreciate, from his humble beginnings up to his "Money" moniker he's adopted to make more money and be more controversial. He was touted as someone who would become great, possibly, decades ago, Pacquiao pretty much came to prominence, for most people, in the last 6 years, maybe even 5.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Doc, I could say the same about Floyd, that he wasn't a household name before Oscar, that most people didn't know about Floyd's accomplishments before Oscar. Manny had the Morales trilogy, Barrera duology, and 2 fights with JMM before Floyd even came up in Manny's radar. The reason, IMO, that Floyd became a superstar was 24/7 and the Oscar fight, his boxing genius, and his evil Money persona. The reason Manny became a superstar, IMO, is because of his Oscar fight, his legendary wars with the Mexican legends, his philanthropy, and his rags to riches story. The 2 men became superstars in their own way, that even if one of them did not become a boxer, they would have become superstars anyway.

The reason Floyd is always mentioned when someone speaks of Manny is not because Manny is only popular because of Floyd and vice versa. The reason why they've become intertwined is because both of them have reached the top of the boxing world and there's nobody else people want to see fight but each other. Simply because they're the top 2. Nobody else comes close to their popularity. In the time of Leonard, there were Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez to mix it up. These days, we only have 2 superstars. The rivalry between the 2 has contributed to Manny's popularity and to Floyd's as well, but is not the main reason for both men's popularity. The truth is, Manny is as famous as Floyd in the USA, but outside USA, Manny is the king. And I don't think any person outside the USA would tell you that Manny is only popular because of Floyd cause many of them are not even aware of Floyd. Actually, Doc, you're the only person I know (aside from Floyd Jr.) that claims Manny is only famous because of Floyd.

Well said. This is the most logical post in the whole thread. The thought that Manny is famous only because of Mayweather is ludicrous and flat out stupid.

I suggest you watch more boxing and stop hating on people of a certain skin color. I never said I had a problem with Manny, I actually give him his respect as a great fighter, perhaps even legendary fighter, something you fail to do with Floyd, for whatever scatter brained reason.

The point I've maintained from the start is that while Manny's a tremendous fighter, he's not a good boxer, and there's clear distinction between the two. He hasn't even faced that many good boxers, let alone technical, crafty guys with faster hands than him. And when he has squared off with fighters with even a little bit of technique and prowess, he's had problems. So how in the world is he supposed to be this "Mayweather killer" if he's never been in the ring with that class of boxer before? And obviously Bob Arum knows this as well, or else they would've fought already, its pretty cut and dry.

You on the other hand let your bias and hatred for someone you don't even know "color" your opinion and make you sound more idiotic than I hope you really are, borderline ******ed actually.

Boxing today actually does revolve around Floyd Mayweather, as far as the general public goes, and when I speak about Manny's popularity that's who I'm referencing, the general public. Of course hardcore boxing fans will watch anything, but they aren't the ones lining these guys' pockets to this degree, the common joe schmoe is, and that guy only cares about Manny because of Floyd, period.

Your the same guy who just said this:

So, your basically making my point for me, yet still trying to argue..something? LMAO, I mean, I thought you were comical at one point, but now I'm starting to worry about you, seriously. Do you even read these posts or skim through it?

Oh no, you should worry about yourself, you're the same one with the delusions that Manny is only famous because of Mayweather, that people shouldn't be fans of his or aren't real fans of his because no one saw any of his fights pre-2003.

Seriously, explain that half assed logic. So someone, one day buys a ppv for the very first time, watches a fighter, any fighter, fall in love with what they see, but can't become an instant fan or basically be called a fraud because they didn't follow their amateur careers? How F'n stupid is that? That doesn't even make sense.

Or are you just bitter and jealous that Manny became more famous in a shorter time and is considered a King in his home country and throughout Asia? Something Mayweather will never attain in this country.

Really get out more, get out of the arm pit of America that's PA.

 

[Doc Samson]

Oh no, you should worry about yourself, you're the same one with the delusions that Manny is only famous because of Mayweather, that people shouldn't be fans of his or aren't real fans of his because no one saw any of his fights pre-2003.

Seriously, explain that half assed logic. So someone, one day buys a ppv for the very first time, watches a fighter, any fighter, fall in love with what they see, but can't become an instant fan or basically be called a fraud because they didn't follow their amateur careers? How F'n stupid is that? That doesn't even make sense.

Or are you just bitter and jealous that Manny became more famous in a shorter time and is considered a King in his home country and throughout Asia? Something Mayweather will never attain in this country.

Really get out more, get out of the arm pit of America that's PA.

Oh god, here you go again? Hey, people can love or hate whoever they want, but I can't stomach people trying to tell me this guy is better than Floyd Mayweather based off of Margarito, Cotto & Clottey, which is basically what you've been doing.

It's people like you who keep trying to point to Manny's resume and saying he's fought the better fighters, and IMO, it's so far from the truth its not even funny. The two, best "Mexican Legends" he fought, beat him, either literally or got robbed, so how great is he, really? Morales was already past his prime after going to war with Barrera when he dismantled him the first time, and JMM's been beating him for the past 8 years. The only Legend he really dominated was Barrera, who by the way, wasn't in prime anymore either.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Oh god, here you go again? Hey, people can love or hate whoever they want, but I can't stomach people trying to tell me this guy is better than Floyd Mayweather based off of Margarito, Cotto & Clottey, which is basically what you've been doing.

It's people like you who keep trying to point to Manny's resume and saying he's fought the better fighters, and IMO, it's so far from the truth its not even funny. The two, best "Mexican Legends" he fought, beat him, either literally or got robbed, so how great is he, really? Morales was already past his prime after going to war with Barrera when he dismantled him the first time, and JMM's been beating him for the past 8 years. The only Legend he really dominated was Barrera, who by the way, wasn't in prime anymore either.

So you're not even going to answer that question or explain your half assed logic.

gotcha.

You want to pick apart Manny's fights, I can go all day picking apart Mayweathers. From his robbery in the Castillo fight, to the sucker punch win against Ortiz.

And who are the supposed better fighters that Mayweather has fought that eclipse Manny's resume? Name one fighter that Mayweather has fought that's better than Morales, JMM, and Barrera.

You harp on the slow plodders that Manny fights, well who are these great, fast boxers that Mayweather fights?

btw, I never mentioned Clottey, because he's ass.

 

[Doc Samson]

So you're not even going to answer that question or explain your half assed logic.

gotcha.

You want to pick apart Manny's fights, I can go all day picking apart Mayweathers. From his robbery in the Castillo fight, to the sucker punch win against Ortiz.

And who are the supposed better fighters that Mayweather has fought that eclipse Manny's resume? Name one fighter that Mayweather has fought that's better than Morales, JMM, and Barrera.

You harp on the slow plodders that Manny fights, well who are these great, fast boxers that Mayweather fights?

btw, I never mentioned Clottey, because he's ass.

What question? I've answered all your questions, ad nauseum, and I answered it in my response to delfini.

Also I've already broken down who Mayweather's fought that was better competition, I'm sure you can remember if you felt so inclined. I wasn't trying to pick apart Manny's fights, until you started doing that nonsense with Floyd. I'm simply showing you that nothing Manny's done is vastly superior to Floyd, no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Iron_Stark]

What question? I've answered all your questions, ad nauseum, and I answered it in my response to delfini.

Also I've already broken down who Mayweather's fought that was better competition, I'm sure you can remember if you felt so inclined. I wasn't trying to pick apart Manny's fights, until you started doing that nonsense with Floyd. I'm simply showing you that nothing Manny's done is vastly superior to Floyd, no matter how you try to spin it.

Whatever, you've backed yourself in a corner and don't know how to get out with your half assed logic to not even naming one great pure boxer that Mayweather has beaten.

 

[Doc Samson]

Whatever, you've backed yourself in a corner and don't know how to get out with your half assed logic to not even naming one great pure boxer that Mayweather has beaten.

No, I'm simply tired of typing the same crap just for you to act like you forgot it. This thread isn't that long, go back a few pages, and its right there. It's not just who you fight, it's when you fight them.

And once again, your the same guy who said this:

Huh? I never said he didn't. He's been carefully picking his fights since around the time he got with Arum, except for maybe Cotto and Hatton. Plus his catch weight demands are complete B.S., either fight at 140 or 147, none of this making guys get drained or come in too heavy like he's going to do with Marquez in their proposed fight in November.

That said, it's as much his fault as Mayweather's the fight isn't getting made.

What is wrong with you? Amnesia, or are you simply trying to disagree for the sake of it?

Oh, by the way, Floyd just called Pacquiao today, to try and make this happen, and he also said he wouldn't be opposed to Martinez if he can make 150. How much more does he need to "call" out people for it to be enough for you? Yeah I know Martinez is already scheduled to fight, but after that, once Floyd is out, it could happen, though I'm not excited for him to do that.

 

[antonydelfini]

floyd rejected the 50/50 split offered by Pacman. Wow.

 

[Docker2.0]

floyd rejected the 50/50 split offered by Pacman. Wow.

Yeah I saw that. I'm in Mayweather's corner but wow man. It's hard to stand behind the guy when he does things like this. I think Mayweather would win the fight hands down and is no question the better skilled fighter of the two, but man when he did not want to do a 50/50 take, I just can't understand that. They are honestly the biggest two draws in boxing and saying who's the bigger draw is like saying who's the best comic company, Marvel or DC, it just depends on who you like more. It's going to always be a debate but a 50/50 split is the best thing for both.

PS- Doc Samson, you are wasting your time talking to Iron Stark. Dude is just one walking contradiction. He sees everything wrong with what everyone else says but can't admit his own mistakes.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I'm tired of both of these duckers (Floyd & Pac/Arum).

I really am!

 

[Doc Samson]

50/50 with this fight is going to be more than anything else they've ever done, or will do, in their careers. Everybody needs to realize this sooner than later, before we get another Hopkins/Jones II in 10 years when nobody cares anymore...

PS- Doc Samson, you are wasting your time talking to Iron Stark. Dude is just one walking contradiction. He sees everything wrong with what everyone else says but can't admit his own mistakes.

Yeah, I'm about finished.

 

[Iron_Stark]

PS- Doc Samson, you are wasting your time talking to Iron Stark. Dude is just one walking contradiction. He sees everything wrong with what everyone else says but can't admit his own mistakes.

Oh BS, there are more people that have agreed with me than you two clowns.

And I'm the contradiction? You've called the Klitschko's boring, yet never said called Mayweather boring. I bet if the Klitschkos were black, they wouldn't be boring. You and Doc were saying the Khan/Peterson fight was a good decision and sided with the ref, yet everyone else saw it differently. You kept saying how a knockout ruins fighters, and how they're never the same, yet James Kirkland is immune to that.

And then there's Doc's asinine logic about being fans. Hey Doc, is Mark Wahlberg a Paquiao fan or just a Mayweather hater? The dude is at every Paquiao training camp and at every one of his fights. I bet he never saw any of Paqs fights pre-2003, guess that means he hates Mayweather. Christian Bale was also at a Paq training camp, but I'm sure it wasn't to do research for his boxing movie, it was because he hates Mayeather, right? Because I'm sure he hasn't seen many Paq fights, let alone any that were pre-2003.

The only thing you two see are are based on the person's skin color. I'm the one that done with you two.

“He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can’t happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your career. I also let him know I’m in control on my side and he needs to get on the same page as his promoter so we can make this fight happen.”

What a *****

 

[Project862006]

manny is now taking cotto on in june in an unneeded rematch lol

 

[Iron_Stark]

Mayweather's camp also offered to fight Cotto.

Everyone involved is a disgrace to the sport.

 

[Project862006]

this is why i prefer MMA you dont have to worry about coming to a deal with the other side

UFC has all the best fighters under 1 roof and under contract

 

[Iron_Stark]

this is why i prefer MMA you dont have to worry about coming to a deal with the other side

UFC has all the best fighters under 1 roof and under contract

That's why I've been saying boxing needs to be one big league. You wouldn't stuff like this happening.

 

[antonydelfini]

Boxing would be alot stronger if we have one championship per weight division and if the best fight the best. Anyway, there's a video out from a couple of years ago when Manny wasnt a complete fighter yet, isnt the pound for pound king yet, when Floyd was asked about his opinion on Pac, he said he loves Manny and he loves watching him fight cause he is a hell of a fighter. Remember that was before Manny was the king of the sport. When Manny reached the top, Floyd started to say he is one dimensional. Talk about being jealous and bitter. Classy Floyd, Classy.

 

[Docker2.0]

Oh BS, there are more people that have agreed with me than you two clowns.

And I'm the contradiction? You've called the Klitschko's boring, yet never said called Mayweather boring. I bet if the Klitschkos were black, they wouldn't be boring. You and Doc were saying the Khan/Peterson fight was a good decision and sided with the ref, yet everyone else saw it differently. You kept saying how a knockout ruins fighters, and how they're never the same, yet James Kirkland is immune to that.

And then there's Doc's asinine logic about being fans. Hey Doc, is Mark Wahlberg a Paquiao fan or just a Mayweather hater? The dude is at every Paquiao training camp and at every one of his fights. I bet he never saw any of Paqs fights pre-2003, guess that means he hates Mayweather. Christian Bale was also at a Paq training camp, but I'm sure it wasn't to do research for his boxing movie, it was because he hates Mayeather, right? Because I'm sure he hasn't seen many Paq fights, let alone any that were pre-2003.

The only thing you two see are are based on the person's skin color. I'm the one that done with you two.



What a *****

Because I don't think Mayweather is boring but think the Klitsch's are, that makes me contradict myself?! And why are you bringing race into this? It has nothing to do with that, but since you did, can I ask if you are filipino? Just curious.

PS- I don't really think the Klitch's are boring, just the heavyweight division just sucks big time. That's what makes those guys boring.

 

[antonydelfini]

Floyd vs. Cotto on May 5. Floyd should stop talking about Pac fighting his leftovers now. They both do the same. If Pac chooses Timothy Bradley for a June fight, that is the more competitive fight.

 

[TMC1982]

In USA Today, Michael Coppinger finds that new HBO Sports President Ken Hershman plans on cleaning up the network’s shaky boxing reputation.