Superman Returns The Official Bryan Singer Thread

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Xmen 2 was great imo.

Xmen 1 was good.

SR was pretty good if not good.

I think you went overboard. The problem is, he makes his vision quite well... However if his vision isn't what you want, you're screwed cause he won't bring middle ground for the fans

 

[Sub-Zero]

Xmen 2 was great imo.

Xmen 1 was good.

SR was pretty good if not good.

I think you went overboard. The problem is, he makes his vision quite well... However if his vision isn't what you want, you're screwed cause he won't bring middle ground for the fans

his x-men movies were pretty damn good. superman returns was an idea that should never have been thought up. he just made a tribute film to the original superman movie. 1st you should not make a sequel to a 25yr+ movie. 2nd you should not change a character so much. superman isn't emo, nor is he dark or disturbed. look at harvey dent pre two-face in tdk. that is how metropolis sees superman, as a beacon of hope. plus he would never have a child out of wedlock. the scientific logic of comics proves that to be impossible anyway. 3rd lex luthor is not a campy swindler. he's a ruthless corporate tyrant. like if donald trump was less gawdy and more evil. there's a lot of things wrong with superman returns, and i blame singer for all of them. x-men 1 and 2 were good films. he's not a terrible director as long as he has something he can relate to to work with.

 

[BestGirl]

Xmen 2 was great imo.

Xmen 1 was good.

SR was pretty good if not good.

I thought X1 was good but X2 was dull. Truthfully, both X-Men movies weren't as good as they could have been. SR had the same problem.

I think you went overboard. The problem is, he makes his vision quite well... However if his vision isn't what you want, you're screwed cause he won't bring middle ground for the fans

Sadly true.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Say what one must about X-Men and/or Superman Returns, but X2: X-Men United "dull?!?!?!"

 

[Christmas]

X2 was one of the few superhero films whose pre-release hype I hadn't anticipated or followed whatsoever. So when I saw that opening scene when Nightcrawler let loose in the White House coupled with the classical music accompanying it, I was truly amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrVdCkKxty4&feature=related

Singer is a talented filmmaker.

 

[DavidTyler]

Singer isn't doing too well in feature films. Even his WWII epic didn't stay in theaters very long and wasn't quite the success it was expected to be.

I think he needs to either move into a different kind of film making - possibly court room drama's or romantic tragedies - and stay away from the heavy action films.

In fact, I think his strong suit is very definitely the kind of thing he does on television - and I'm talking about the show 'House' which is probably one of the best shows on the regular channels these days.

 

[Showtime]

I have to disagree on Valkyrie. It beat projections at the box office.

 

[stargazer]

X2 was one of the few superhero films whose pre-release hype I hadn't anticipated or followed whatsoever. So when I saw that opening scene when Nightcrawler let loose in the White House coupled with the classical music accompanying it, I was truly amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrVdCkKxty4&feature=related

Singer is a talented filmmaker.

Yes, he is.

His superhero films are much more than just eye candy, they are serious, and have lots of heart and substance. That's why IMO they will trascend and will become classics of the genre.

And X2 dull?? No way. It's awesome and epic.

BB is dull, imo.

 

[stargazer]

Singer isn't doing too well in feature films. Even his WWII epic didn't stay in theaters very long and wasn't quite the success it was expected to be.

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Valkyrie was expected to flop.

 

[Christmas]

Valkyrie made $181 million worldwide, off a $75 million budget according to Boxofficemojo:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=valkyrie.htm

 

[BestGirl]

Say what one must about X-Men and/or Superman Returns, but X2: X-Men United "dull?!?!?!"

I knew it would be an unpopular opinion.

X2 was one of the few superhero films whose pre-release hype I hadn't anticipated or followed whatsoever. So when I saw that opening scene when Nightcrawler let loose in the White House coupled with the classical music accompanying it, I was truly amazed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrVdCkKxty4&feature=related

Singer is a talented filmmaker.

The opening scene with Nightcrawler was the best in the movie. Most of the rest of it left me wondering when it was going to end.

Yes, he is.

His superhero films are much more than just eye candy, they have lots of heart and subtance. That's why IMO they will trascend and will become classics of the genre.

And X2 dull?? No way. It's awesome and epic.

BB is dull, imo.

I thought the same thing the first time I saw it. I was majorly let down after hearing how highly praised it was. I liked it much better the second time around though so maybe I should watch X2 again. t:

 

[NeoRanger]

It's awesome and epic.

I liked it enough when I saw it, but I don't remember more than a couple of scenes anymore. It was good, but it's not going down in history as a classic or one of cinema's best.

And while we're at it, Superman Returns isn't either.

Singer is a good filmmaker. I mean, hey, I love the Usual Suspects and I liked both X-Men films enough. When he was signed on Superman, I was quite pleased. The problem is that in the end we didn't get the Usual Suspects Singer, we got Superman fanboy Singer. And here's why fanboys should rarely -if ever- be allowed anywhere near the creative department of any character: they have opinions regarding direction. They tend to put their own "spin" on them... and that always blows up in their face. Ours too. And Superman has had a long history of that happening already.

Saying Singer's a bad director is certainly not true; however, the animosity he's earned over Superman Returns is very well deserved.

 

[solidsnake86]

if it wasn't for singer's x-men i have a feeling comic book films would be in a different direction right now. Hate on singer's superman but dont let that some how delude you into believing all his films are bad.

 

[Bishop2]

The first X-Men is still the best in that series in pretty much every regard. Best character balance, best villianous plot, best dialogue and writing.

Singer's Superman... we don't talk about that ****.

 

[Superark]

Singer isn't doing too well in feature films. Even his WWII epic didn't stay in theaters very long and wasn't quite the success it was expected to be.

I think he needs to either move into a different kind of film making - possibly court room drama's or romantic tragedies - and stay away from the heavy action films.

In fact, I think his strong suit is very definitely the kind of thing he does on television - and I'm talking about the show 'House' which is probably one of the best shows on the regular channels these days.

I haven't seen Valkryie yet so I cannot give my opinion on the film.

But the film beat expectations and was a success. Mostly everyone thought it would flop and it turned in around $85 million domestically. It was seen as a return of sorts for Cruise.

Also, mostly all the fan reviews I've read so far on it were very very good. It also did fine with the critics as well. I think the film will be a nice little hit on DVD.

Also, SR did ok in its own right. Sure it was a disappointment at the BO, but the film still did solid. We all know the success of his X-Men and Usual Suspects.

I think Singer is doing just fine.

 

[LL2K2]

Singer has ruined every adaptation he has taken part in and needs to never touch any ever again. He got Superman wrong and both the Xmen wrong...he needs to stop and move on completely

If Singer hadn't taken the helm of X-Men, we wouldn't have this string of superhero films right now. There would be no Spidey, no Daredevil, no Batman, and especially no Superman.

In regards to "getting Superman and X-Men wrong," that's strictly opinion. Let's face it, you can't please everyone. There has never been, and will never be, a perfect superhero movie.

STM is often regarded as the forefather of modern superhero films, but even that film had areas that had people scratching their heads (turning back the world, anyone?). So did The Dark Knight. So did the Spider-Man films.

 

[hockeyboy89]

If Singer hadn't taken the helm of X-Men, we wouldn't have this string of superhero films right now. There would be no Spidey, no Daredevil, no Batman, and especially no Superman.

In regards to "getting Superman and X-Men wrong," that's strictly opinion. Let's face it, you can't please everyone. There has never been, and will never be, a perfect superhero movie.

STM is often regarded as the forefather of modern superhero films, but even that film had areas that had people scratching their heads (turning back the world, anyone?). So did The Dark Knight. So did the Spider-Man films.

Amen bruther. Sure X Men wasn't true to form, but there are so many different incarnations it's hard to be faithful. If he made XMen true to form, it wouldn't have Wolverine as he didn't come in until much later. Is that film a success without him. With X2 he used an XMen annual as a basis for the movie and it came off well. As for SR, it is what it is. It made 200 million which is no small feat. It could have been better, but it wasn't. And before I get remined by the mod, I know this isn't the XMen forum, just comparing it to Superman.

As for a perfect superhero movie, I dunno. I hear Watchmen is the closest, but I hated it.

 

[Double Down]

^ It's the Bryan Singer thread. Talk about X-Men movies directed by Singer should be no problem, I would think.

 

[stargazer]

And while we're at it, Superman Returns isn't either.

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You don't know that. Time will tell.

if it wasn't for singer's x-men i have a feeling comic book films would be in a different direction right now. .

True

If Singer hadn't taken the helm of X-Men, we wouldn't have this string of superhero films right now. There would be no Spidey, no Daredevil, no Batman, and especially no Superman.

In regards to "getting Superman and X-Men wrong," that's strictly opinion. Let's face it, you can't please everyone. There has never been, and will never be, a perfect superhero movie.

STM is often regarded as the forefather of modern superhero films, but even that film had areas that had people scratching their heads (turning back the world, anyone?). So did The Dark Knight. So did the Spider-Man films.

Agreed.

 

[Lighthouse]

So......when does Bryan Singer's vacation end?

 

[Godman]

Thing is that Xmen were good movies but not good XMEN movies. They could have really been visionary. They were very regular to me. Only things that were done well were night crawler and Mytique who were both improvements of the comics, but the X universe was butchered terribly by Singer. I don't give a damn what people say on the whole time constraint thing. X Men could have been as big as Star Wars and Lord Of The Rings cause of the amount of phenominal sagas they have. I honestly feel that wolverinne should have come in the second movie while the first one develops the xmen from scratch. You see them joinin up and how xavier pics them all up. The whole thing should have been XAVIER'S movie and not Wolverine's. Imagine following Charles from young adulthood when he meets Magneto and become best friends like how Batman and Harvey were developed.

That is the most important relationship in the entire X verse and it wasn't exploited well enough and as for Superman Returns...bagh. Valkyrie was GREAT!!!! Singer needs to stick to that ****.

 

[Godman]

If Singer hadn't taken the helm of X-Men, we wouldn't have this string of superhero films right now. There would be no Spidey, no Daredevil, no Batman, and especially no Superman.

In regards to "getting Superman and X-Men wrong," that's strictly opinion. Let's face it, you can't please everyone. There has never been, and will never be, a perfect superhero movie.

STM is often regarded as the forefather of modern superhero films, but even that film had areas that had people scratching their heads (turning back the world, anyone?). So did The Dark Knight. So did the Spider-Man films.

Don't say no Batman cause it would have been inevetable for that to happen since it takes every decade for Batman to come back to it's greatness. Either way it had already all been set up by Burton who gave us the first SOLID dark and griity superhero movie followed by Crow, and then BLADE!!!! X men, if anything, followed Blade's success.

 

[Red Cherry Lips]

So......when does Bryan Singer's vacation end?

Yeah, what is his next project?

 

[NeoRanger]

You don't know that. Time will tell.

I don't know it, but I can sure bet a whole lot on it. For a film to become a classic and make a mark in history it has to do something big, be a box office-smash, be a trend setter, or at least be memorable. I don't see Superman Returns anywhere near the above categories.

Hell, I'd even argue how much of a classic TDK would be, if not for the box office. But at least in its case, it's truly far too soon to tell. It's been plenty of time since SR.

If Singer hadn't taken the helm of X-Men, we wouldn't have this string of superhero films right now. There would be no Spidey, no Daredevil, no Batman, and especially no Superman.

What? Where is that based on? I mean, WB may be fruit-bunnies when it comes to their properties, but they've been trying to put Superman and Batman out there since... forever. It's not like Singer went to Marvel one day and told them of this possible trend-setter-genre, "the comic book genre", which would bring in loads of cash.

Hell, X-Men, however good or bad, didn't even set the standards for the genre as it followed. He directed an above-average comic book film in the right time. There's a boatload of reasons why the genre has been non-stop-successful in the last decade, but I doubt "X-Men" is the captain.

In regards to "getting Superman and X-Men wrong," that's strictly opinion. Let's face it, you can't please everyone. There has never been, and will never be, a perfect superhero movie.

I don't think anyone's complaint, anywhere on the Internet (or the planet, for that matter) is that the movie wasn't perfect.

 

[GreenKToo]

Singer put his spin on how he views Superman, and it didnt sit well with the majority of fans.
Perhaps the next director will try to get some imput from fans about what they want in a Superman film, and maybe he'll actually use some of the best ideas. Yeah, wishful thinkin', I know.
It couldnt hurt to at least listen tho.