The Official Budget & Box Office Thread

If there was one thing that SR did not need, it was more expensive special effects shots. The film almost had a big enough FX budget to do two Superman flicks, but they wasted it on stupid crap like CG shots of Lex's yacht and CG Superman getting shot in the eye (how much did that shot cost, again? Something like 15 million?).

If there's one thing I can say about SR, it's that the movie looks expensive. However, as anyone who's eaten at a Quizno's will tell you, expensive doesn't always mean good. If they'd invested their massive budget in things like showing Superman actually fight stuff instead of using more CG water shots than Perfect Storm, then they might have had a hit on their hands.
 
There was talk of a tidal wave hitting a bridge full of traffic and supes saving it.

It was replaced with the epic scene....saving the falling globe!
 
There was talk of a tidal wave hitting a bridge full of traffic and supes saving it.

It was replaced with the epic scene....saving the falling globe!

Hey, that's like, my favorite shot in the movie! :cmad: :woot:
 
If they do a straight sr sequel, itll do in the low 200's; 220-240 depending on when it opens. A reboot with more modern, bright TRANSFORMERS-esque look to it with a physical villain? 300+.
EASY.


Wait a second....if a reboot that is bright and modern with a physical villain can earn 300 million plus, then why the hell couldn't a modern and bright sequel with a physical villain??
 
Because you'd be building on a foundation that is dark, muddy, and based on a pair of 70's / 80's movies. SR's continuity is not worth fixing, because it got a heckuvalot more wrong than it got right.
 
Wait a second....if a reboot that is bright and modern with a physical villain can earn 300 million plus, then why the hell couldn't a modern and bright sequel with a physical villain??

Because the 1st wasnt that popular. Like BATMAN BEGINS had to look different than B & R, This needs to a different, more modern and sexy look than SR.
 
I don't know. TIH was a reboot and it barely made more than the first. I'm not saying a Superman reboot couldn't or wouldn't make more than S.R., but it does worry me.

IMO, you would have to have a slamdunk of a director, an awesome and WELL known actor for the villain role, outstanding writers, plus marketing on par with TDK's or otherwise the public will think it's just a sequel to S.R.
 
If there was one thing that SR did not need, it was more expensive special effects shots. The film almost had a big enough FX budget to do two Superman flicks, but they wasted it on stupid crap like CG shots of Lex's yacht and CG Superman getting shot in the eye (how much did that shot cost, again? Something like 15 million?).

If there's one thing I can say about SR, it's that the movie looks expensive. However, as anyone who's eaten at a Quizno's will tell you, expensive doesn't always mean good. If they'd invested their massive budget in things like showing Superman actually fight stuff instead of using more CG water shots than Perfect Storm, then they might have had a hit on their hands.

The shot cost 2.3 million, and Quizno's being "good" is up for debate. :csad:
 
If they'd invested their massive budget in things like showing Superman actually fight stuff instead of using more CG water shots than Perfect Storm, then they might have had a hit on their hands.
Yeah, because superhero fighting a superpowered villain equals hundreds of millions more at the boxoffice, right?
Let me check again how much "The Incredible Hulk" did at the b.o.
 
I don't know. TIH was a reboot and it barely made more than the first. I'm not saying a Superman reboot couldn't or wouldn't make more than S.R., but it does worry me.

IMO, you would have to have a slamdunk of a director, an awesome and WELL known actor for the villain role, outstanding writers, plus marketing on par with TDK's or otherwise the public will think it's just a sequel to S.R.

Well fantastic four 2 rise of the silver surfer was a sequel to Fantastic Four and it was vastly superior to the original. Yet it made less than the original Fantastic Four, my assumption on the matter is if a film is tainted its going to fail and SR is the taint to any future Superman film following it.
 
Well fantastic four 2 rise of the silver surfer was a sequel to Fantastic Four and it was vastly superior to the original. Yet it made less than the original Fantastic Four, my assumption on the matter is if a film is tainted its going to fail and SR is the taint to any future Superman film following it.
Let me be clear here. I fear that either a sequel or a reboot will make about the same, or less than S.R.
Of course, those feelings could change once we know what the hells going on and get a feel for things.
 
Let me be clear here. I fear that either a sequel or a reboot will make about the same, or less than S.R.
Of course, those feelings could change once we know what the hells going on and get a feel for things.

Yes but the diffrence between a sequel and a reboot lies in the fact one already has a history many people are not pleased with, while another can start something new and could be the dawn of a new age for Superman and a cash cow for DC.
 
I'm going to quote something I posted in a different thread just because I think it has grounds here.

Okay I'm going to interject a little into the whole Incredible Hulk not doing as well as people expected and what that bodes for a Superman sequel/reboot.


The Incredible Hulk was bound to under perform, and here's my reason: If you have a movie that does not do well, is not what the fans or the public expect, isn't on par story or plot wise with what people are used to, it's not going to do well and whatever you do next in that series of movies is also not going to do well, especially if it's with in a decade of each other.

Here, I'll paint the picture.

Superman III, not what the public or the fans were expecting, probably the weakest of the series at the time and a horrid Richard Prior performance/crappy character.
Lead into Superman IV; A quest for peace. Bombed, of course you could say that it was because Superman IV was a terrible movie that never should have been made but, really, nobody went to see it anyway.

Here's another, The Matrix Reloaded. Did really well at the box office especially since the first movie was damn good. The Matrix Revolutions, after Reloaded left people scratching their heads Revolutions severely under performed.

Batman and Robin, yeah it killed the Batman series for almost a decade and left people not wanting to see Batman for a very long time, even made some of the most hardcore Batman Fans want to wear a paper bag over their head.
Batman Begins, This stellar reboot actually under performed at the box office compared to the other comic movies coming out at the same time. I mean it did lead into the #1 comic adaption of all time, but we didn't know that then.

Hulk, was a poorly adapted film, even if it did have some neat new camera tricks and a some what inspired performance by Eric Bana, it didn't do as well has the studio expected. The Incredible Hulk, an excellent adaption of the Character with inspired performances from a good cast, but still under performing according to the studio and the fans even though it did make more money than it's predecessor.

So what's this all mean for Superman?


Superman Returns, if you liked it or hated it, didn't seem to grab the public. And we as fans do hold sway over these films. Our word of mouth does translate to box office dollars, so if only half of us promote a film, while the other half bad mouths it, chances are the general public is going to be 50/50 on the film as well. It had a largely inflated budget and did do any where enar what the studio wanted it to do. So if a reboot or sequel happens chances are, it's not going to bring in mega bucks just because the last movie didn't grab the general movie going audience.

What needs to be done is a well thought out competent movie made for about 150million dollars that both stays on course with the Source material and grabs the public in a way that it inspires and wows people. Reboot or sequel. Then when people find out how good this movie is the next one will rake in the money hand over fist.

Look I know everything I said may not hold weight with everyone but is a trend that has happened more than once. And I know creating a stellar Superman movie for 150 million is a tall order, but it's what needs to happen to have a successful franchise started again.


Just my two cents.
 
^Good post, but in my mind, a sequel will do better than a re-boot, not did TIH underperform, but BB didnt perform in a stellar manner either and barely made a profit until it hit DVD, virtually the same as Superman Returns. So I think WB should make a sequel, get buzz going for it early and make a movie that addresses the complaints of the people who didnt like it, and WB could make a healthy profit from it IMO.
 
As much as I would like to see a Reboot, I think it's just to soon. Maybe in 4 or 5 more yrs, but not now.

Let's say they rebooted it and we all get the Superman film we want on a 160 mill budget BUT, it only does around 170/180 mill dom. at the B.O. I think that would kill any chances for future films alot more than what some say singer has done to the franchise.

I'd see it of course, but IMO it won't do gold at the B.O. unless W.B. wants to spend half the budget on marketing the thing to let people know its a reboot, and I somehow doubt they'd want to do that.

The whole situation is a catch 22. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think W.b. knows this too, and thats why we have heard ''notta'' outta them.
 
^You are absolutely right, they obviously just dont know what to do with Superman at the moment, and re-boot underperforming could do a lot more damage to the franchise than a sequel underperforming IMO.
 
Don't get me wrong, i'm not promoting a sequel here. I don't care which we get. Sequel, reboot, whichever. I'm just looking at it logically and playing devil's advocate.
 
^You are absolutely right, they obviously just dont know what to do with Superman at the moment, and re-boot underperforming could do a lot more damage to the franchise than a sequel underperforming IMO.
:huh: A sequel underperforming would damage the franchise either way, due to the fact it would be two Superman films that have underperformed. Do you think WB will just be like hey the sequel to that underperforming Superman film tanked lets reboot?
 
:huh: A sequel underperforming would damage the franchise either way, due to the fact it would be two Superman films that have underperformed. Do you think WB will just be like hey the sequel to that underperforming Superman film tanked lets reboot?

Yes? :huh:
 
Ok well that makes a whole lot of sense.

It does actually. If MOS were to underperform, WB would use a reboot as a last resort, obviously, waiting a couple of years.

But then again, you could argue that a reboot makes sense now...
 
It does actually. If MOS were to underperform, WB would use a reboot as a last resort, obviously, waiting a couple of years.

But then again, you could argue that a reboot makes sense now...

Ok.
 
:huh: A sequel underperforming would damage the franchise either way, due to the fact it would be two Superman films that have underperformed. Do you think WB will just be like hey the sequel to that underperforming Superman film tanked lets reboot?

I still think another Superman film will underperform, inevitably. Only because they haven't seen a great Superman film that has grabbed them. It's not like Batman Begins where people were skeptical, saw the dvd and slapped themselves for not seeing it in the theater. People were content to watch Superman Returns on DVD.

I think Superman needs a film that's budgeted to take an underperformance so that if the buzz after the new is as good as it was for Batman Begins we'll have Superman's TDK the next time around.
 
Wow that should leave a distate in everyones mouth so expect less not more in terms of SFX

great..perfect...this pretty much garuatees Zod or perhaps a totaly humaniod brainaick that barely shows off any technorganic in nature views

Forget about a robotic or visualy stunning Brainiack at this point, and forget about the same kind of leap forward we saw from Spiderman to Spiderman 2, or X men to X men 2 cause it just won't be there in terms of the budget.

Not sure what any of this meant, but I voted for the obvious choice.
 
:huh: A sequel underperforming would damage the franchise either way, due to the fact it would be two Superman films that have underperformed. Do you think WB will just be like hey the sequel to that underperforming Superman film tanked lets reboot?

The fact is they could still re-boot a few years after the possibly failed sequel, if they re-boot, and it does TIH numbers, we wont be seeing Superman on the big-screen for a LONG time.
 

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