Civil War The Official Captain America 3 News & Speculation Thread

[Shikamaru]

Irony at its finest. For a guy called "Captain America", one of his most frequent foes is America itself.lol

I think that's the beauty of Captain America. The fact that the stereotypical blind patriot would be the first to despise him, because he doesn't stand for the authority but for the best core ideal principals America has to offer.

 

[Tony Stark]

Bolded part is my point. That's why Civil War can only work INO, IMO. It was out of character for Tony to do it then, and will be out of character now.

Also, if it's true, I think this is a case of business taking over creative input. I highly doubt this would have occurred had Batman v Superman not come out. Keep in mind they originally shared a release date.

I'm sure it will be "in name only", just as the Extremis plot was only loosely based on the comics. First off, the comic Civil War involved the entire Marvel Universe, the focal characters were Iron Man, Cap and Spider-man. That's not going to happen here. The focus is going to be on Cap and Tony, with perhaps Bucky and Sam as side characters. You aren't going to see Tony do the BS stuff he did in the comics, like create a Thor clone to kill Goliath, or enlist villains to fight Cap. First off the Russo's have developed a good name for themselves, do you think they want to be known for trashing Tony?

Second of all, it's Robert Downy Jr., he's going to be acting like Robert Downey Jr., do you think anyone is going to be able to take him as a villain? At worse he would come off like Hiddleston if they really went that route and you're still going to love him. The Tony is Civil war was just a *****e, no redeeming qualities, and RDJ would never sign on to that.

As to you're last point, the word was, the plan was always to have him in, but in a limited role, but it was Downey who thought, if he was going to be in it, he wanted a more prominent role than a cameo. Now I don't believe things occur in a vacuum, so I'm sure BvS, was in the back of someone's mind.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Irony at its finest. For a guy called "Captain America", one of his most frequent foes is America itself.lol

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[BobJM]

Maybe its because I havent see Cap 2 since April but i dont remember Bucky involved in Iron Man' parents death.

He was a HYDRA agent; HYDRA killed the Starks.

Could be an excellent motivator for this struggle--a race to reach Bucky while he himself is on the hunt for answers.

Cap wants to save him, Iron Man sees him as the enemy. Maybe Tonys overcompensating after AoU and wants to take a hard stance...his views on good and bad may become very black & white. These heroes have to be above base emotions and act for the greater good of the people. To demonstrate this, he won't show leniency to Fury's would-be assassin who sought to kill millions more with HYDRA on those helicarrier. After all, Stane was a former friend Tony had to put down.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

if this is to be believed

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/14/robert-downey-jr-will-be-in-captain-america-3

spiderman in mcu

 

[Spider-Vader]

So which characters actually have a secret identity in the MCU for the Civil War storyline to work?

Daredevil
Ant-Man (?)
Falcon (?)
Luke Cage (His show/Defenders could be prequels)
Iron Fist (See above)
Jessica Jones (See above)
Spider-Man (If Sony gets their s*** together)

They could also introduce some smaller/simpler heroes like Punisher & Moon Knight.

That's another thing. Captain America didn't seem to show much respect for the privacy of his colleagues like Black Widow after he info-dumped EVERYTHING in the SHIELD database on the internet.

The people in SHIELD deserved what they got; little guys like Daredevil, Luke Cage & Dethlok don't deserve the Pro-Reg.

 

[Herolee10]

Daredevil
Ant-Man (?)
Falcon (?)
Luke Cage (His show/Defenders could be prequels)
Iron Fist (See above)
Jessica Jones (See above)
Spider-Man (If Sony gets their s*** together)

They could also introduce some smaller/simpler heroes like Punisher & Moon Knight.



The people in SHIELD deserved what they got; little guys like Daredevil, Luke Cage & Dethlok don't deserve the Pro-Reg.

Considering that Falcon doesn't wear a mask and pretty much did the same thing in the Army that he does now with Cap, along with the fact that Luke cage doesn't wear a mask either and Frank Castle's bio can be easily accessed by any one with a smart phone...I don't think they would really count.lol

 

[Spider-Vader]

Falcon could move to the mask/secret identity thing by the next time we see him. I just counted Luke & Punisher because they'd 100% be Anti-Reg.

 

[Marvel]

if this is to be believed

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/14/robert-downey-jr-will-be-in-captain-america-3

spiderman in mcu

Let's just hope this leak doesn't kill the deal. I wonder who leaked this before RDJ signs on the dotted line?

 

[Herolee10]

Falcon could move to the mask/secret identity thing by the next time we see him. I just counted Luke & Punisher because they'd 100% be Anti-Reg.

True.

On another note, I wonder if it's always been intentional or purely coincidental that Captain America's films always seem to tie-in with the Avengers' films, let alone leaving the biggest impact within the MCU for any given phase prior to an Avengers film.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's not going to be based on secret identity.

 

[GregComicFan]

Seems like Thor gets the short end of the stick here. His films have the least impact on the MCU

 

[GregComicFan]

I wonder if it would be possible to have Spiderman show up in the final battle against Thanos without it leaking to the public....

 

[BAMF!]

It's not going to be based on secret identity.

i was thinking the same thing. just because they may be using civil war as a source for cap 3 doesn't mean they'll follow the story beats and character motivations to the letter. the source of the rift between the two teams could be anything. i imagine we will have a better picture of this after age of ultron

 

[Doc Ock]

Seems like Thor gets the short end of the stick here. His films have the least impact on the MCU

For now.

But I mean, there was the Loki stuff in the first Thor that led into Avengers though.

 

[SpitCurl]

MCU films have never been panel for panel adaptations of comic arcs, so it's interesting to see everyone trying to figure out how CW, if it's even a thing that's happening, will be able to mimic the comic. Seems some are being oddly literal-minded here.

The point of contention in the MCU doesn't necessarily have to be heroes outing themselves specifically, it could simply be supers registering themselves with the government as essentially weapons and being at their beck and call (in a "you work for us or you don't work at all" sort of way). Which sounds a little like slavery. Which Steve would definitely have a problem with. That right there is enough to cause beef.

The plot wouldn't have to live and die on whether or not Spidey reveals himself to the world.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

this whole tony-out-of-character narrative is wrong imo

he was written totally in character in civil war. writers post-civil war have stuck with that same character too. tony always sees the bigger picture, always looks down the road. bendis, hickman, etc have followed a pretty close thread

millar wrote him pretty well i thought. so did brubaker in the cap tie-ins/followups and the knaufs in director of shield, all very similar

it was JMS who made tony a hollow strawman in spider-man, which was a top selling book, so that's what most people remember. JMS tony was borderline snidely whiplash

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Damn, SDCC next year is going to be the **** next year when Marvel drops the Cap 3 teaser. WB/DC would have to ditch the annual barebones teasers for BvS and come out with an actual trailer to not get upstaged

 

[Visiting Arkham]

I posted this on Badass Digest, I feel pretty strongly this will be the storyline after thinking about it some more:

Here's my theory on how all of this goes based on nothing other than what has been slightly teased:

1. After Age of Ultron, Steve goes back on the hunt for Bucky with a small team in tow.

2. Tony, in an extension of his PTSD after the first Avengers, becomes incredibly paranoid about the superhero's place in the world after creating Ultron, in addition to first hand experience with Hulk and run-ins with HYDRA powered Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. He decides that they can't be left on their own and that they need to be regulated and monitored.

3. Tony becomes a part of The Council as seen in Avengers and Winter Soldier, and begins cracking down on people he perceives as threats (I'm not sure how antagonistic they'll make Tony, but maybe he decides to use Crossbones as one of his agents).

4. He finds out where Bucky is before Cap can get to him, or maybe interrupts their reunion and forcibly takes Buck into custody, very much against Cap's wishes. But can you blame Tony? The Winter Soldier was a terrifying assassin for decades, and maybe he finds out his part in Howard Stark's shady death.

5. Thus the "Civil War" part of the story begins. Cap and crew trying to get Bucky back while battling with Stark in the process. Maybe Stark has Hawkeye on his side in addition to Crossbones, who I just decided betrays Stark at some point towards the end.

 

[QBComics]

This news brings a lot of questions. What about the Bucky storyline? Will Crossbones return? How does this fit into the Infinity Gauntlet buildup? How can they possibly do Civil War without Spidey? And if these rumors of Sony making a deal with Marvel are true, will they just shoehorn in Andrew Garfield or will there be two movie versions of Spidey that just co-exist(Sony's and Disney's)?

My first reaction was shock and excitement, but allowing this to sit and think on it, I'm very nervous about it. This is a massive shift in the MCU, and I really hope Marvel and Feige aren't sacrificing their original game plan just to add more RDJ. Time will tell, I just hope we get a proper ending to the Winter Soldier storyline.

 

[TalismanRing]

Variety said the script always had Stark in it - the changes were made to how much. TWS had nothing to do with the Infinity Gauntlet either - rather it served to destabilize and change the MCU and this seems to follow the same path. Not every film needs to exist in support of Thanos, the the breaking apart of the Avengers and possible Cap's temporary (yes temporary!) demise will have affect how they fight Thanos.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Bigger news is coming. In relation to Spidey me thinks. Not for this movie but for the MCU at large.

Agreed. The rumors of Marvel wanting Spidey right now, and trying to negotiate for him, as well as rumors of S6 bring a soft reboot........ and now this.



Something big might be coming.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Agreed. The rumors of Marvel wanting Spidey now, and trying to negotiate for him, as well as rumors of S6 bring a soft reboot........ and now this.



Something big might be coming.

It seems Spidey is going to the MCU, he was a third of the civil war storyline so Marvel will try to lock him down soon if they can. If not they will make tons of money out of it anyway, but if they get spiderman this movie could be really huge

 

[Saitou Hajime]

That bit in the article about Perlmutter and Feige butting heads about Downey's involvement makes me wonder if the former was the reason for all of Marvel's behind the scenes troubles in the past.

 

[Rorschach2012]

if they got Spidey in this too... oh man...

i hope it happens