The Official Contest of Marvels 3 Discussion Thread

[JewishHobbit]

Updated List. And I moved Nocturne and Spidey 2099 to their new sections. I put Power Princess in the Misc./other section for now until we decide if we're going to do a Squadron Supreme section.

KEEP

Alpha Flight

1. Arachne
2. Aurora
3. Beta Ray Bill
4. Madison Jeffries (Weapon X)
5. Northstar
6. Sasquatch
7. Shaman
8. Snowbird
9. Talisman
10. The Master
11. U.S. Agent
12. Weapon Omega (Michael Pointer)
13. Wild Child

Avengers

14. Annex
15. Black Panther
16. Bloodwraith
17. Bulldozer
18. Captain America (Steve Rogers)
19. Captain America (Bucky)
20. Cloud 9
21. Constrictor
22. Crusader
23. Firebird
24. Grim Reaper
25. Hank Pym
26. Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)
27. Hercules
28. Hulkling
29. Iron Fist
30. Iron Lad
31. Iron Man
32. Jack of Hearts
33. Jocasta
34. Justice
35. Kang
36. K.I.A.
37. Klaw
38. Komodo
39. Living Lightning
40. Lord Templar
41. Luke Cage
42. Mandarin
43. Ms. Marvel
44. Patriot
45. Piledriver
46. Proctor
47. Prodigy (Ritchie Gilmore)
48. Pulsar
49. Purple Man
50. Quicksilver
51. Rage
52. Red Skull
53. Ronin (Clint Barton)
54. Sentry
55. Sersi
56. She-Hulk
57. Slapstick
58. Speed
59. Spider-Woman (Veranke)
60. Starfox
61. Stature
62. Taskmaster
63. Trauma
64. The Hood
65. Thunderball
66. Tigra
67. Ultra Girl
68. Vision (Original)
69. War Machine
70. Wasp
71. Wiccan
72. Wonderman
73. Wrecker
74. X-51

Cosmic

75. Air-Walker
76. Annihilus
77. Astra
78. Blastaar
79. Bug
80. Captain Marvel (Genis)
81. Chod
82. Darkhawk
83. Deathbird
84. Drax
85. Earthquake
86. Firelord
87. Gamora
88. Gladiator
89. Harvest (Phalanx)
90. Havoc
91. Korvus
92. Mantis
93. Marvel Girl
94. Maxam
95. Moondragon (Human)
96. Neutron
97. Nova
98. Oracle
99. Paibok The Power Skrull
100. Plutonia
101. Polaris
102. Praxagora
103. Quasar (Phyla Vell)
104. Raza
105. Red Shift
106. Rocket Racoon
107. Ronan The Accuser
108. Star Lord (Peter Quill)
109. Super Skrull
110. Titan
111. Ultron (Phalanx)
112. Vulcan
113. Warlock (Phalanx)
114. Warstar
115. Wraith (Zak-Del)
116. Zenith

Exiles

117. Blink (Exiles)
118. Holocaust
119. Hyperion (Exiles)
120. Mimic (Exiles)
121. Morph (Exiles)
122. Psylocke
123. Sabretooth (Exiles)
124. Sasquatch (Exiles)
125. Spider (Exiles)
126. Thunderbird (Exiles)


Potential

Ant-Man (Eric O'Grady)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Captain Britain (Kelsey Leigh)
Debrii
Doorman
Echo
Gorilla Girl
Guardian (James Hudson)
Hardball
Jessica Jones
Mr. Immortal
Mutant Zero
Pagan
Phobos
Protocide
The Ghost
The Presence
Scarlet Spider (MVP)
Scarlet Witch
Silver Claw
Squirrel Girl
Vindicator
Whirlwind
Windshear
Adam Warlock
Cosmo
G-Type
Groot
Hepzibah
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn)
Smasher

 

[JewishHobbit]

Okay... now my choices from the Fantastic Four section... And I added some due to Franklin's later post.

Keep
Agatha Harkness - She seems powerful but her age is a limitation. Should her cat be included (it can sense other magic users and turn into a panther)?
Crystal
Diablo
Doctor Doom
Frankie Raye - I can be pursuaded to drop her if anyone else things she's too uber.
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyle
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Jolen - Previously unlisted.
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Medusa
Morgan Le Fay - Previously Unlisted
Mr. Fantastic
Nahrees - Previously unlisted.
Nathaniel Richards - Previously unlisted.
Psycho Man
Thing
Thundra - Previously unlisted.



Potential
Blackbolt - His power is too uber but he never uses it that way. I'm indifferant but I thought I'd bring him up in case you guys want to debate him.
Maximus the Mad - I can be pursuaded to keep him though if either of you two want him.
Red Ghost - He seems neat, but is he much without his apes? And without them is he just another Kitty Pryde?
Wizard - I can be pursuaded to keep him.
Woz - Previously unlisted.

Drop
Devos the Devestator - I like him, but I don't think he has much to offer a tourney like this.
Dragon Man
Hatemonger - He does nothing for me, but I can be pursuaded otherwise. And I didn't know he was Adolf Hitler! That's just wierd.
Mad Thinker
Trapster

Due to Franklin's later mentions... I'd like to KEEP the Texas Twister but since he's a member of the Initiative, I think we should add him to the Avengers section... provided you guys like him. I'm also okay with adding him to the potential list if that's a better fit for you guys.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I'm good with keeping those three eXiles


Agatha Harkness (don't know much about her. How powerful is her magic?)
Devos the Devestator
Doctor Doom
Dragon Man
Frankie Raye
Mr. Fantastic
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyle
Hatemonger (is this the Cosmic Cube resurrected version?)
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Maximus the Mad
Medusa
Psycho Man
Thing
Trapster
Wizard
Mad Thinker
Red Ghost (didn't we have trouble with him last year?)
Diablo
Crystal

Agatha Harkness is prolly the 2nd most powerful human magician. She's that good. So if Mordo or Clea are on the list then she should prolly be there. If Strange is on it then she definately is on it.

Hate Monger. You should prolly use the shapeshifter who can project hate, fear, and doubt. The one created by Psycho-Man.

Red Ghost. Does he get his apes?


Potentials.


Molecule Man : In his classic representation he only controlled inanimate molecules. He has a human body however.

Morgan Le Fay : Mage. History with Doom and Nathaniel Richards.

Nathaniel Richards : Hi Tech Wonder. Armor. Anti Telepathy Tech. Temporal Tech. Stud.

Thundra : Femme Powerhouse.

Triton : Inhuman. Can't leave him out.

Texas Twister : I love the Rangers. This guy is a friend of Ben's and first appeared in FF. He also tried to join the Frightful Four at one time.



Anywho just some suggestions. These will prolly get stolen like the FF's other Rogue's Gallery members.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I was waiting for our resident Fantastic Four guru to show up

Agatha Harkness is prolly the 2nd most powerful human magician. She's that good. So if Mordo or Clea are on the list then she should prolly be there. If Strange is on it then she definately is on it.

I'm okay with keeping her.

Hate Monger. You should prolly use the shapeshifter who can project hate, fear, and doubt. The one created by Psycho-Man.

Could be interesting, but I'm still indifferant. I'll wait to see what Phaed and W say.

Red Ghost. Does he get his apes?

I'm not sure. Without them he seems pretty lame, but with them he seem sway too powerful. That's 4 foes to mess with, and the apes are smarter than average with pretty cool powers of their own. Kind of a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" type of character. I think we can find better characters without the argument of if he should have his apes or not. But that's just me.

Potentials.


Molecule Man : In his classic representation he only controlled inanimate molecules. He has a human body however.

He seemed cool according to bios I've read. W and Phaed may want to read some bios though to get a grasp of the character and whether or not we should keep him.

Morgan Le Fay
Nathaniel Richards
Thundra

I like these, I'll add them to my keep list above.

Triton : Inhuman. Can't leave him out.

He's not bad, but I think we can add better into the tournament.

Texas Twister : I love the Rangers. This guy is a friend of Ben's and first appeared in FF. He also tried to join the Frightful Four at one time.

You know... he does seem pretty cool... but he would probably be best in the Avengers section being that he's a part of the Initiative.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Alright... my initial Keep list is updated. Congrats Franklin, you're suggested 4 new additions to the game as far as my picks go. We'll see how Phaed and W decide on them.

 

[wiegeabo]

Before getting into my choices, Agatha brings up the question of whether we should allow familiars. Agatha's cat? Lockhead if he was still with Kitty Pryde?

I also don't consider Red Ghosts apes as familiars. They're his team and shouldn't be allowed.


Keep
Agatha Harkness - (I'll bow to Franklin's knowledge.)
Crystal
Diablo
Doctor Doom
Frankie Raye - (Since we're getting rid of Heralds? if she's at Herald level, thd Drop)
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyle
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Jolen - (Potential. If we're going to have Black Tom Cassidy, do we need another plant manipulator?)
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Medusa
Morgan Le Fay - (Super powerful, but if we're keeping Strange and Harkness, I guess she's fine.)
Mr. Fantastic
Nahrees
Nathaniel Richards - (I think he went pretty far in a prior tourney)
Psycho Man
Thing
Thundra



Potential
Blackbolt - (I'm fine with keeping him. His voice may be an ultimate weapon, but if it's a populated battleground, he won't use it)
Maximus the Mad - (Potential. Lots of good power)
Red Ghost - (No apes)
Texas Twister
Wizard - (I'm fine with potential)
Woz

Drop
Devos the Devestator - (Fine as potental)
Dragon Man
Hatemonger - (Anyone know about his cosmic cube version?)
Mad Thinker
Trapster - (Keep or potential. He may not be super powered, but he could potential stop a number of regular characters)

 

[JewishHobbit]

Before getting into my choices, Agatha brings up the question of whether we should allow familiars. Agatha's cat? Lockhead if he was still with Kitty Pryde?

I also don't consider Red Ghosts apes as familiars. They're his team and shouldn't be allowed.

To keep from arguments of unfairness, I say no familiars

Frankie Raye - (Since we're getting rid of Heralds? if she's at Herald level, thd Drop)

We aren't getting rid of all Heralds, just the uber ones. Forelord, Airwalker, and Red Shift made it through into the tournament. Frankie Raye seems to fall somewhere between them and the upper level. I'm not sure what to do with her yet. I like her, but I'm afraid she may be too powerful.

Jolen - (Potential. If we're going to have Black Tom Cassidy, do we need another plant manipulator?)

I like him because while he's younger and has less experience than Tom, he's also a lot less calculating and viscious, and potentially more dangerous. He's the one that speared and tore the heads off of a whole theater of people in the first issue of "Silent War." Similar abilities but differant mind I think. Not to mention that Black Tom is now a tree himself, not a person manipulating wood, so they're pretty differant. I like him, but I'll concede to whatever you and Phaed decide.

Hatemonger - Does anyone know about his cosmic cube version?

Unfornately, I don't and the bios I read were vague on it.



So so far....

Definate Keeps
Agatha Harkness
Crystal
Diablo
Doctor Doom
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyle
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Medusa
Morgan Le Fay
Mr. Fantastic
Nahrees
Nathaniel Richards
Psycho Man
Thing
Thundra

Definate Potential
Maximus the Mad
Wizard
Woz

1 Potential/ 1 Keep
Texas Twister

1 Keep/1 Drop
Trapster

1 Potential/ 1 Drop
Blackbolt
Devos the Devestator
Red Ghost - (No apes)

Drop
Dragon Man
Mad Thinker


Needs Further Discussion
Frankie Raye
Hatemonger
Jolen

 

[JewishHobbit]

Definate Potential
Maximus the Mad
Wizard
Woz

I keep looking at this and thinking "Maximus the Mad Wizard of Woz".

 

[Phaedrus45]

Keep
Agatha Harkness
Crystal
Diablo
Doctor Doom
Frankie Raye
Gorgon
Grey Gargoyle
Human Torch
Invisible Woman
Karnak
Lyja Lazerfist
Medusa
Morgan Le Fay
Mr. Fantastic
Nahrees
Nathaniel Richards
Psycho Man
Thing
Thundra

Added by me:
Valeria Richards(Marvel Girl) - She's included with a big bio in the Fantastic Four 2005 Handbook, and looks really neat.
Psi-Lord(Franklin Richards) - I don't want the younger version of Franklin; but, having the older version from Fantastic Force might be cool.


Potential
Blackbolt
Jolen - Not a ton of info, and controlling plants could be rendered pretty useless in certain locations.
Maximus the Mad
Red Ghost
Wizard
Woz

Drop
Devos the Devestator
Dragon Man
Hatemonger
Mad Thinker
Nahrees - Does very little for me. Not a lot of info, and we have people with electrical powers in this contest.
Trapster

 

[Franklin Richards]

I gotta pipe in here to give the Trapster some love. Paste Pot Pete may be a joke but his powers aren't that stupid. He's got gear that would make Spider-Man very jealous.

Don't overlook him because he's a joke.


Psi-Lord and Valeria eh? Good calls. I usually leave them out of the picture because of their child forms.

I forgot one to add.


Impossible Man : Think Plastic Man... but with a worse sense of humor.

 

[wiegeabo]

Yeah, let's keep Trapster. We're going to have a bunch of regular characters in this thing anyway. And he's a decent reg that could move up a couple of rounds.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Marvel Girl (Valeria Richards) seems cool, and I'm a fan of the old Fantastic Force series so I'm cool with Psi-Lord. And speaking of the Fantastic Force and that time period how about these guys...

Kristoff Vernard
Vibraxas
Huntara

As some of you know, I bind my comics how I want into my own hardback volumes of about 30 issues per volume. I plan on doing a 4 volume series of the Fantastic Four tieing in the Fantastic Force and Namor from this time period. It's the only extended time period that I could ever really get into. (It'd be from issue 355 - The end of volume 1 with some extra Onslaught stuff to have it make sense.) I'm not sure when I'll bind it yet, still can't find a few Fantastic Force issues, as odd as that is. I'll order them online at some point.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Lets put the other three under potential, for me. I think we're going to have a large group of people under miscellaneous that could fill their slots later...but, if not, good to have them around.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Oh, I'm cool with Trapster, too.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Okay... here's the update then. If you guys can look over the FF section it may be best. I have a headache and am in a bit of a hurry, so I may have made some mistakes... just to be safe.

KEEP

Alpha Flight

1. Arachne
2. Aurora
3. Beta Ray Bill
4. Madison Jeffries (Weapon X)
5. Northstar
6. Sasquatch
7. Shaman
8. Snowbird
9. Talisman
10. The Master
11. U.S. Agent
12. Weapon Omega (Michael Pointer)
13. Wild Child

Avengers

14. Annex
15. Black Panther
16. Bloodwraith
17. Bulldozer
18. Captain America (Steve Rogers)
19. Captain America (Bucky)
20. Cloud 9
21. Constrictor
22. Crusader
23. Firebird
24. Grim Reaper
25. Hank Pym
26. Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)
27. Hercules
28. Hulkling
29. Iron Fist
30. Iron Lad
31. Iron Man
32. Jack of Hearts
33. Jocasta
34. Justice
35. Kang
36. K.I.A.
37. Klaw
38. Komodo
39. Living Lightning
40. Lord Templar
41. Luke Cage
42. Mandarin
43. Ms. Marvel
44. Patriot
45. Piledriver
46. Proctor
47. Prodigy (Ritchie Gilmore)
48. Pulsar
49. Purple Man
50. Quicksilver
51. Rage
52. Red Skull
53. Ronin (Clint Barton)
54. Sentry
55. Sersi
56. She-Hulk
57. Slapstick
58. Speed
59. Spider-Woman (Veranke)
60. Starfox
61. Stature
62. Taskmaster
63. Trauma
64. The Hood
65. Thunderball
66. Tigra
67. Ultra Girl
68. Vision (Original)
69. War Machine
70. Wasp
71. Wiccan
72. Wonderman
73. Wrecker
74. X-51

Cosmic

75. Air-Walker
76. Annihilus
77. Astra
78. Blastaar
79. Bug
80. Captain Marvel (Genis)
81. Chod
82. Darkhawk
83. Deathbird
84. Drax
85. Earthquake
86. Firelord
87. Gamora
88. Gladiator
89. Harvest (Phalanx)
90. Havoc
91. Korvus
92. Mantis
93. Marvel Girl
94. Maxam
95. Moondragon (Human)
96. Neutron
97. Nova
98. Oracle
99. Paibok The Power Skrull
100. Plutonia
101. Polaris
102. Praxagora
103. Quasar (Phyla Vell)
104. Raza
105. Red Shift
106. Rocket Racoon
107. Ronan The Accuser
108. Star Lord (Peter Quill)
109. Super Skrull
110. Titan
111. Ultron (Phalanx)
112. Vulcan
113. Warlock (Phalanx)
114. Warstar
115. Wraith (Zak-Del)
116. Zenith

Exiles

117. Blink (Exiles)
118. Holocaust
119. Hyperion (Exiles)
120. Mimic (Exiles)
121. Morph (Exiles)
122. Psylocke
123. Sabretooth (Exiles)
124. Sasquatch (Exiles)
125. Spider (Exiles)
126. Thunderbird (Exiles)

Fantastic Four

127. Agatha Harkness
128. Crystal
129. Diablo
130. Doctor Doom
131. Frankie Raye
132. Gorgon (Inhuman)
133. Grey Gargoyle
134. Human Torch
135. Invisible Woman
136. Karnak
137. Lyja Lazerfist
138. Marvel Girl (Valeria Richards)
139. Medusa
140. Morgan Le Fay
141. Mr. Fantastic
142. Nathaniel Richards
143. Psi-Lord
144. Psycho Man
145. Thing
146. Thundra
147. Trapster

Potentials
Ant-Man (Eric O'Grady)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Captain Britain (Kelsey Leigh)
Debrii
Doorman
Echo
Gorilla Girl
Guardian (James Hudson)
Hardball
Jessica Jones
Mr. Immortal
Mutant Zero
Pagan
Phobos
Protocide
The Ghost
The Presence
Scarlet Spider (MVP)
Scarlet Witch
Silver Claw
Squirrel Girl
Vindicator
Whirlwind
Windshear
Adam Warlock
Cosmo
G-Type
Groot
Hepzibah
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn)
Smasher
Blackbolt
Huntara
Jolen
Maximus the Mad
Nahrees
Red Ghost
Texas Twister
Vibraxas
Wizard
Woz

 

[JewishHobbit]

Below are the Hulk characters... where's Ahura when we need him?! Franklin showed up for his FF Guruness... now we need Ahura for his Hulk Guruness! I'll probably give my opinion on these tomorrow.

Abomination
Doctor Sampson
Savage Hulk
Iron Clad (U-Foes)
Leader
Maestro
Mr. Hyde
Speed Freak
Super Adaptoid
Vaper (U-Foes)
Vector (U-Foes)
Wendigo
X-Ray (U-Foes)
Zzzax
Armageddon
Bi-Beast
Boomerang
Half Life
Madman
Mercy
Ravage

 

[wiegeabo]

Kristoff Vernard
Vibraxas
Huntara

I'm cooling with these as potentials.

 

[wiegeabo]

Below are the Hulk characters... where's Ahura when we need him?! Franklin showed up for his FF Guruness... now we need Ahura for his Hulk Guruness! I'll probably give my opinion on these tomorrow.

Abomination
Doctor Sampson
Savage Hulk
Iron Clad (U-Foes)
Leader
Maestro
Mr. Hyde
Speed Freak
Super Adaptoid
Vaper (U-Foes)
Vector (U-Foes)
Wendigo
X-Ray (U-Foes)
Zzzax
Armageddon
Bi-Beast
Boomerang
Half Life
Madman
Mercy
Ravage

I think we've had all of those in prior tourneys. The only one that stands out is Super-Adaptoid. We need to figure out if he has a default powerset.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I remember one of the Armaggedons having very little information and being a big pain in the butt. Was this the one?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Keep:
Abomination
Absorbing Man
Bi-Beast
Boomerang
Doctor Sampson
Half Life
(Savage) Hulk
Iron Clad (U-Foes)
Leader
Maestro
Mercy
Mr. Hyde
Speedfreek
Super Adaptoid
Tyrannus
Vapor (U-Foes)
Vector (U-Foes)
Wendigo
X-Ray (U-Foes)
Zzzax

Possible:
Madman - I could be convinced if others like him.

Drop:
Armageddon - Not much information.
Impossible Man - While lacking intelligence and fighting skills, the rest of his abilities are almost off the chart. To me, he's too uber.
Ravage - Need more info about him. I could be convinced if someone gives me some stuff about him. I just can't remember from last season.

We might also want to look at Planet Hulk stuff. I know they had a handbook come out. I just have to dig it out from my Hulk box.

 

[wiegeabo]

Keep:
Abomination
Absorbing Man
Bi-Beast
Boomerang
Doctor Sampson
Half Life
(Savage) Hulk
Iron Clad (U-Foes)
Leader
Maestro
Mercy
Mr. Hyde
Speedfreek
Super Adaptoid
Tyrannus
Vapor (U-Foes)
Vector (U-Foes)
Wendigo
X-Ray (U-Foes)
Zzzax

Possible:
Madman - I could be convinced if others like him.

Drop:
Armageddon - Not much information.
Impossible Man - While lacking intelligence and fighting skills, the rest of his abilities are almost off the chart. To me, he's too uber.
Ravage - Need more info about him. I could be convinced if someone gives me some stuff about him. I just can't remember from last season.

We might also want to look at Planet Hulk stuff. I know they had a handbook come out. I just have to dig it out from my Hulk box.

Looks good to me.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Still don't have time to mess with this today, maybe tonight. However, I think maybe some of the Warbound from Planet Hulk and WWH could be interesting. And maybe Amadeus Cho from WWH and Incredible Hercules. He's just a kid, but his big brain has taken on and figure out ways to defeat some decent characters.

 

[Phaedrus45]

I found my Gladiator Guidebook; but, sadly, the way they present the info isn't as good as the usual handbooks. No ranking of powers, just a generic attribute to the powers. Here are the main characters I noticed:

Brood
Hiroim
Korg
Miek

There are others, but their powers are usually just enhanced fighting techniques with some military strategies.

 

[Phaedrus45]

BTW, are we interested in adding a new category into this season: Marvel Horror? There are a lot of interesting characters, of which we could add Ghost Rider to. Here are just a listing of characters from the handbook that came out in 2005, minus the way too uber, like Blackheart and chthon:

Baroness Blood
Big Mother
Elsa Bloodstone
Brother Blood
Dracula
D'spayre
Dweller-in-darkness
Frankenstein's Monster
Hangman
Hellstorm
Immortalis
Jack The Ripper
Hannibal King
Marie Laveau
Lilith - Mother of Demons
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Living Mummy
Scarecrow
Terror
Thog
Vampire By Night
Werewolf By Night
Zombie

With this group, we can also include our listing of the Mystics, as the recently released handbook for Mystic Aracana could help us greatly, and we could put Dr. Stange in that mix.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Okay, I'm okay with your guys' picks for Hulk characters, so those are done with. Now we need to decide on the few mentioned afterwards.

Keep
Amadeus Cho
Hiroim
Korg
Miek

Potential
Brood (No-Name) - I only put him here because I'm having trouble finding info on her, and Wiki's entry just makes her sound like a typical brood queen. I can be convinced otherwise, but I say just put her in potential.