The Official Contest of Marvels 3 Discussion Thread

[JewishHobbit]

Sure, I'll add him to list so he can be considered. Technically he's part of the Initiative now, but he's a smaller role and this may be a better place for him anyhow. I remember X did some good things with him back in the first season or two of the DTL, and he had a good role during Secret Invasion. He might be a good addition.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Lockdown - Fantastic Four (Got a link?)
Maelstrom - Cosmic (Quasar) (Got a link?)
Magdalene - Avengers (Got a link?)
Malice - Marvel Knights (Is this the one with no body that appears as a necklace to those she posesses? Wasn't there a real problem with finding ways to fight her before?)
S'byll - Cosmic (Silver Surfer) (Is this the Skrull Queen or whatever?)
Terminatrix - Avengers (Got a link?)
Torgo - Fantastic 4 (Is he just a normal vampire, or is there something special about him?)
Ultimo - Iron Man



Killmonger doesn't seem like a big deal. But if he can hang with the Panther, I guess he's ok.

Malice was a big problem trying to find a way to stop her. She could essentiall just possess every opponent except possibly those that can fight on the astral level. Are we ok with someone that hard to fight? If so, she's going high on my draft list.

If Torgo is just your standard vampire, I'd rather have big name vamps like Dracula and Morpheus.

Lockdown - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/lockdown.htm
Maelstrom - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/maelstrom.htm
Magdalene - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/magdaleneavengers.htm
Malice (Nakia) - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/malic1.htm
S'byll - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/sbyll.htm
Terminatrix - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/terminatrixrav.htm
Torgo - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/torgomekka.htm

Looking at Malice, I say we can probably drop her. She's seems less impressive than others that we'll want in this contest.

Hurricane - http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hurrcan3.htm

 

[wiegeabo]

Keep
Lockdown
Maelstrom (not his reality changing version)
Magdalene
S'byll (we're seeing a lot of Skrulls, but oh well)
Terminatrix
Hurricane


Potential
Torgo


Drop
Malice

 

[Phaedrus45]

Here are a few bios I started to get ready for easy viewing, and a couple characters were added from Mystic Arcana. I didn't really add very many, since they were either too powerful, or didn't think we wanted a ton of spell casters in the contest. I didn't get far in doing bios...but, might come back later and edit and add more.

Marvel Horror
Baron_Blood - We probably only need one of the Baron/Baroness Blood characters, since they are so similiar.
Baroness_Blood
Baron Mordo
Big_Mother - Too powerful, probably.
Blackout
Brother Blood
Brother Voodoo
Cadaver
Clea
Damien Hellstrom
Deathwatch
Delilah
Devil-Slayer
Dracula
Dr. Strange
D'spayre
Dweller-In-Darkness
Elsa Bloodstone
Foundry
Frankenstein's Monster
Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
Ghost RIder (Danny Ketch)
Hangman
Hellstorm
Immortalis
Jack O-Lantern
Jack The Ripper
Jaine Cutter
Hannibal King
Man-Wolf
Marie Laveau
Mechamage
Metarchus
Moon Knight
Morbius
Lilith - Mother of Demons
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Living Mummy
Patriarch
Regent
Scarecrow
Terror
Thog - More powerful in his own dimension might cause trouble when trying to figure out power levels in locations.
Vampire_By_Night - Due to some characters only having powers at night, take into account some locations will a different time if the powers depend on it.
Vengeance
Vermin
Werewolf_By_Night
Zombie

 

[Phaedrus45]

BTW, how powerful do we want our spell casters? Is Dr. Strange considered too powerful? With a 24 hour prep time, he could pretty much take someone out the second he gets on the game board. (BTW, what is going to be our rule about someone who teleports or removes a character from the game setting? Are we going to rule that simply sending someone to another dimension doesn't constitute a win this season?)

 

[POWdER-man]

Magic is such a tricky thing (no pun intended). I had Loki for the first season, and Harl had Dr Strange, both of whom made the Semi-Finals. We would have to be careful on who we put on.

I never liked the "removing" a player from the area ploy. I think it is a cheap way to win and it doesn't really take them out. So I say tag it and bag it. However with that said they could still teleport the person within the area.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Magic is such a tricky thing (no pun intended). I had Loki for the first season, and Harl had Dr Strange, both of whom made the Semi-Finals. We would have to be careful on who we put on.

I never liked the "removing" a player from the area ploy. I think it is a cheap way to win and it doesn't really take them out. So I say tag it and bag it. However with that said they could still teleport the person within the area.

I'm okay with being unable to remove a person from the location. It really is a cheap win so I encourage disabling the possibility.

As for magic users, I hate them. With the exception of low level users like Nico Minoru I just can't fathom them. They can pretty much do whatever they want how they want and just claim it as magic. It's wierd and hard to get a gist of what the character can do if you haven't read a lot from them... which I haven't read much on anyone with magic powers.

My problem is that I'd like to place a cap, but without knowing much about them and having read little with magic users, I have no idea where people compare and what that cap should be. I feel like Dr. Strange is too powerful, but I have no idea how to make a line to decide who should fit and who shouldn't.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Remember. Most mages need spell components for the really big spells. So if you limit the number of items a mage brings with them into the arena you are in effect "nerfing" their abilities.


Just have Dr. Strange with his Eye, Amulet, and Cloak and he won't be able to, oh let's say, destroy every Vampire in the world.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Hi guys. Happy 2009 to everybody. I am not here for long today but just wanted to say I was back and extremely dissappointed to see WWH to be gone but I will abide by the rules. One thing however is the Planet Hulk persona should be kept and not his current persona. Regarding magic users, I say let them in because the final judge will be the voters and they will not vote for cheap tricks. If we take out Strange and the others I would certainly not accept to keep Nico as she is just one step shy of them especially with prep time and a dictionary.

One other thing, regarding Planet Hulk characters, I think it would be a crime not to include his dearly departed wife and Skaar.

 

[JewishHobbit]

You know, I didn't even think of Skaar or his wife.. I'm not against a late vote to keep them. We're not so far along that it would be a problem.

And we accepted Hulk, but let me look into Planet Hulk and see how he was differant from WWH. If he's just a little weaker I can be pursuaded to keep him. He was let go because he was Sentry level power without the weakness, so he was just barely too uber. I'll look into Hulk's wife, Skaar, and Planet Hulk when I'm on lunch break or after work. Anyone else you think should be added for us to look into? You are our Hulk Guru so I think you should have your say.

 

[POWdER-man]

Planet Hulk did beat SS, and he was far more tactical and planned his attacks, rather than just Hulk Smash. I would say he would be like Maestro and probably the strongest version aside from WWH.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Edit: Ok, here is my take on the characters. I have some to decide, and want to see what you guys think.

Keep:
Baron Blood - Might as well go with the one with the most info.
Blackout (Ghost Rider)
Brother Voodoo
Cadaver
Damien Hellstrom
Deathwatch
Devil-Slayer
Dracula
D'spayre
Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
Jaine Cutter - Great character from last season
Hannibal King - Another great character from last season
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Mechamagehttp://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mechamage.htm - Limited Sorcery, it seems. Seems like an interesting character.
Moon Knight - Did we put him under Marvel Knights or Avengers? Just make sure he hasn't already made a different section.
Morbius
Scarecrow
Vampire By Night - Mix powers of Vampire and Werewolf might be pretty interesting
Vengeance
Werewolf By Night


Potential:
Ghost RIder (Danny Ketch) - We have the current Rider and Vengeance. I think two is probably enough
Hangman - Almost want to put him as Keep. If someone else does, you can bump him up for me
Immortalis - Something about this character intrigues me
Terror
Thog - Power levels higher in his own dimension has me questioning the difficulty he might bring.

Drop:
Baroness Blood - Got one, don't need another
Baron Mordo - For ease of the game, I say just take out high level magic users. Even if you set power levels, it doesn't take much to convince voters to remove them. (This might eliminate Agatha, though.)
Big Mother - Too powerful.
Brother Blood - Too hard to get info, even though I know I found him in the Marvel Horror Handbook. Not worth the headache
Clea
Dr. Strange
Frankenstein's Monster - Think he'd be too easy to beat
Jack The Ripper - Bad character, since it's a spirit that infects others. Can't be used in this contest
Lilith - Mother of Demons - We only need one Lilith
Living Mummy - Might be kind of lame

Marie Laveau - Sounds too uber
Metarchus - Not much info
Patriarch - Lots of Ghost Rider characters with no info online.
Regent - No info online
Scarecrow
Zombie - Kind of lame

Move:
Jack O-Lantern - To Spider-Man
Vermin - To Spider-Man

Want to see what you guys have to say:
Delilah - Have to look her up. I just get the Spider-Man character; so, I wonder if it's suppose to be another character. If it's the Spider-Man character, then she should be moved there.
Dweller-In-Darkness - Don't know...is he too uber? If you can survive Fear, you can probably take him out.
Elsa_Bloodstone - Not sure; probably under probable, but she has potential
Foundry - I like this character, but not a lot of info on line. He does have a nice entry in the Handbook, though
Man-Wolf - We'd need to specify which version..with gem or without. If without, I would probably say drop. If with, I might say keep.

 

[Phaedrus45]

You know, I didn't even think of Skaar or his wife.. I'm not against a late vote to keep them. We're not so far along that it would be a problem.

And we accepted Hulk, but let me look into Planet Hulk and see how he was differant from WWH. If he's just a little weaker I can be pursuaded to keep him. He was let go because he was Sentry level power without the weakness, so he was just barely too uber. I'll look into Hulk's wife, Skaar, and Planet Hulk when I'm on lunch break or after work. Anyone else you think should be added for us to look into? You are our Hulk Guru so I think you should have your say.

I don't have a problem with Skaar. He has enough flaws to make him beatable, especially when he would be unable to do any kind of prep. I don't think his wife has enough information available, though.

The magic user thing is still a bit iffy for me. When you let one in, like Baron Mordo, it opens it up for all others, like Loki and Dr. Strange. I just don't see how a person, like Spider-Man or The Punisher, stands a chance against them. A simple binding spell takes out 3/4ths of this group, easily.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Webs in Strange's mouth and eyes might delay that.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, I updated my Horror list, and will finish when I see what you guys have to say

 

[JewishHobbit]

For the record, I would be perfectly fine with omitting all powerful mystics. We have an idea where the powerhouse cut off is, let's figure out something for mystics. I'm not sure about people's powerlevels, but maybe someone around Magik's level? That way Illyana, Amanda Sefton, Nico Minoru, Agatha Harkness... they all seem okay. Keep in mind, I don't know much about their levels, but they all seem less than Strange, Dormammu, and whoever else falls into that category.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Man, I really want to do this Horror list but it's going to take some time and things just keep coming up. I'll try tomorrow, but we'll see. I have to work, but I'll probably be up early in preparation for the phone/internet/cable guy to show up (which is why I need to get to bed now and can't work on it) so hopefully I can get it done then. It'd actually make it a lot easier on me if W got his list in, then I have less to worry about, as the double Keeps/Drops/Potentials are solidified and there's no need for such an indepth search on everyone.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'll try to do my horror list during lunch tomorrow.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Planet Hulk did beat SS, and he was far more tactical and planned his attacks, rather than just Hulk Smash. I would say he would be like Maestro and probably the strongest version aside from WWH.

He did not really beat the Silver Surfer. He blindsided a weakenned silver surfer who had just disabled all of the controlling gems.

This was not a true battle and this is a Hulk fan saying it.

He was strategically sound and knew how to fight but he was clearly not as strong as WWH who had an upgrade because of the radiation he absorbed when the warp coil blew up.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Does Planet Hulk have weaknesses to exploit? Such as how Savage Hulk can be outsmarted, Prof. Hulk can be out muscled, Sentry's fears can be taken advantage of, etc. ?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, here is my final list for Marvel Horror:

Keep:
Baron Blood
Blackout (Ghost Rider)
Brother Voodoo
Cadaver
Damien Hellstrom
Deathwatch
Devil-Slayer
Dracula
D'spayre
Dweller-In-Darkness - Saw his handbook entry, and he's not as powerful as this bio makes him out to be
Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
Jaine Cutter
Hannibal King
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Man-Wolf (With Gem)Mechamage
Moon Knight
Morbius
Scarecrow
Vampire By Night
Vengeance
Werewolf By Night


Potential:
Elsa_Bloodstone
Ghost RIder (Danny Ketch)
Hangman - Again, if someone says Keep, you can bump me up.
Immortalis
Terror
Thog

Drop:
Baroness Blood
Baron Mordo
Big Mother
Brother Blood
Clea
Dr. Strange
Foundry - Not enough info
Frankenstein's Monster
Jack The Ripper
Lilith - Mother of Demons
Living Mummy
Marie Laveau
Metarchus
Patriarch
Regent
Scarecrow
Zombie

Move:
Delilah - To Spider-Man
Jack O-Lantern - To Spider-Man
Vermin - To Spider-Man

 

[wiegeabo]

Keep:
Baron Blood
Blackout (Ghost Rider)
Brother Voodoo
Cadaver
Damien Hellstrom
Deathwatch
Devil-Slayer
Dracula
D'spayre
Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
Jaine Cutter
Hannibal King
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Man-Wolf (With Gem, or possibly Stargod version)
Mechamage
Moon Knight (How do we deal with his dependency on the moon?)
Morbius
Vampire By Night (Doesn't seem like she has access to her wolf abilities except at a full moon. So wouldn't she just be another vampire with some immunities?)
Vengeance
Werewolf By Night
Patriarch (If this is the character I'm thinking of, he's a good one to have. Got a link?)


Potential:
Dweller-In-Darkness - (How do you beat this guy? Seems like he doesn't have a physical form except his android body, which he doesn't need)
Scarecrow (Doesn't sound that great)
Elsa_Bloodstone (I'd like to keep her because she's a good counter to vampires. But she isn't too impressive otherwise)
Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) (If there's not much difference between Ketch and Blaze, keep only Blaze)
Hangman
Immortalis (I'm confused. Does he get to use his soul, or is it essentially another character that wouldn't be involved in the matches?)
Thog (Need a better bio, or drop him)
Baroness Blood

Drop:
Terror (Wouldn't mind a better bio, but doesn't sound that great)
Baron Mordo
Big Mother
Brother Blood
Clea
Dr. Strange
Foundry - Not enough info
Frankenstein's Monster
Jack The Ripper
Lilith - Mother of Demons
Living Mummy
Marie Laveau
Metarchus
Regent
Scarecrow
Zombie

 

[Phaedrus45]

To help you decide, here is our lists combined.

2_Keeps:
Baron Blood
Blackout (Ghost Rider)
Brother Voodoo
Cadaver
Damien Hellstrom
Deathwatch
Devil-Slayer
Dracula
D'spayre
Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze)
Jaine Cutter
Hannibal King
Lilith - Daughter of Dracula
Man-Wolf (With Gem or Stargod persona)
Mechamage
Moon Knight
Morbius
Vampire By Night
Vengeance
Werewolf By Night

1_Keep/1_Potential:

Dweller-In-Darkness

1_Keep/1_Drop:

Patriarch - We need info


2_Potentials:
Elsa_Bloodstone
Ghost RIder (Danny Ketch)
Hangman Immortalis
Thog

1_Potential/1_Drop:
Baroness Blood
Scarecrow
Terror


2_Drops:
Baron Mordo
Big Mother
Brother Blood
Clea
Dr. Strange
Foundry - Not enough info
Frankenstein's Monster
Jack The Ripper
Lilith - Mother of Demons
Living Mummy
Marie Laveau
Metarchus
Regent
Zombie

Move:
Delilah - To Spider-Man
Jack O-Lantern - To Spider-Man
Vermin - To Spider-Man

 

[JewishHobbit]

Of the questionable ones above:

KEEP
Patriarch
Terror - Provided it is this one.

Potential
Dweller In Darkness
Baroness Blood - I'd say keep, but I like Bloodstorm better, and they're about the same.

Drop
Scarecrow

 

[JewishHobbit]

Terror is the only 3 way split vote. Going by the bio I provided for him I think he'd be a good addition, but I'll see what you guys have to say.

After work tonight I'll update the Horror section into the main list, and I'll also add Skaar to the Hulk section. What did you guys think about Planet Hulk? Like I said before, if he has weaknesses, I'm okay with him, otherwise I'd rather keep him as Savage Hulk.

And for when we decide what we're doing with Terror, here's the next list:

New Warriors

Bolt
Firestar
Namorita
Night Thrasher
Silhouette
Sphinx
Helix
Hybrid
Alex Powers
Microbe
Nitro

I plan on adding some to this list after I get home work, just fyi.