The Official Contest of Marvels 3 Discussion Thread

JH, as we get 2 person agreements on characters eliminated, could you update the list and how many more we have to get down...and, those who need Wiegeabo to break a tie. (And, Wieg, as JH said, if you are iffy, it doesn't mean one won't be dismissed later...just means we are reserving judgement at that time.)
 
I agree with all but these two.

Hammerhead
Spider-Man (The Other)

Hammerhead took down Spidey, and I'd sooner have another bad-ass Spidey than many of the others on the list. Plus, this Spidey would be the one with ALL the memories of stuff that happened while married to MJ. The other Spidey wouldn't be able to use memories that he might know nothing about. (For example, we have to figure Spidey did have all his encounters with Venom...but, what does Peter remember? Many of those dealt with MJ in his married years.)

You know, that's an excellent point about Venom and the memories. I just may be inclined to vote a Keep for him. And I'll go ahead and get that list updated.
 
UPDATE!

Potentials

Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Captain Britain (Kelsey Leigh)
Debrii
Echo
Guardian (James Hudson)
Hardball
Pagan
Phobos
Madman
Protocide
The Presence
Scarlet Spider (MVP)
Silver Claw
Vindicator
Whirlwind
Windshear
Cosmo
G-Type
Groot
Hepzibah
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn)
Smasher
Huntara
Jolen
Maximus the Mad
Nahrees
Texas Twister
Vibraxas
Wizard
Woz
Baron Strucker
Alkhema
Darkstar
Lockdown
Machinesmith
Midnight Sun
Sunturion
Ultimo
Kylun
Methinks
Baroness Blood
Helix
Blue Shield
Fusion (Markley)
Hornet (Eddie McDonough)
Rhino
Spider-Man (The Other)
Fandral
Growing Man
Hogun
Ultimus
Vidar
Vulstagg
Charcoal
Swordsman
Husk (AoA)
Joseph
Lifeguard
Marrow
Stacey X
Cameron Hodge (X-Tinction Agenda)
Donald Pierce
Gazer (War)
Sack
Scalphunter
Washout
Zaladane
Abyss (AoA)
Anole
Danielle Moonstar
Domino
Elixer
Ink
Mondo (AoA)
Pixie
Richter
Wolfesbane
Krystalin
Shakti Haddad
Tiger Wylde
Bride Of Nine Spiders
Chamber (AoA)
Crimson Cowl (Justine Hammer)
Dog Brother #1
Harrier
Maelstrom
Nekra
Nightcrawler (AoA)
Sin
Starhawk
Stegron

91 potentials Above. We need to keep 80. This list does not include those W needs to decide on or the list of new potential drops below

Below are the characters W needs to decide on. I removed Spidey (Other) because Phaed made a good argument so I'm taking back my drop vote. I've also changed my mind on Dagger. I'm okay with dropping her mover most the rest. So she's dropped. I also listed a new list of characters I'm okay with dropping.

1 Drop/ 1 Stay Potential
Hammerhead
Scarlet Witch
Swarm

More JH picks to drop
Thor Girl - We still don't know when she was replaced by a Skrull, so her experiences are up in the air. She could raise quite a few questions.
Ravage 2099 - He either has fire hands or beast form. There's better on the list.
T-Ray - I think there's better above.
Powerpax - There's question regarding his powerset and how they work. Dropping him will save further headache.
Turbo - I like her but I think she's one of the more ineffective characters on the list.
Sabra - She bores me. That's really about it.
Riptide - He could be good but like Nitro he's a one shot pony. If you can withstand his shurikens you're good, if not then you'll win. Boring debate.
Dweller-In-Darkness - Seems a bit too uber to me.
Twilight - She's good but with so many more still needing cut I think she's a safe bet to drop.
Aralune - She's still a bit light in the bio department. Her transformation limits are a big question.
Stingray - He's cool but I think of what's left he's pretty ineffective if not under water.
Sundown - I'm still iffy on his possible too uberness. I say cut him to be safe.
Jessica Jones - I'm hating removing this one but we haven't seen enough of her fighting to know her limits and exactly what she will and won't do. I think she's an odd fit and not as ready for this tournament as others. Maybe next season.
Jim Hammond - Since we're eliminating, we don't need 2 Human Torches.
Cloak - As much as I hate to remove him he is a bit of a one trick pony as well. If you can resist his cloak, great, if not, gone. He's not much of a hand to hand fighter so he's really just got one offensive.
 
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I say let's use Spidey (Other) as well. Usually I'd be a purest and say go with the current version. But that would really make Peter impotent. And I couldn't bare the thought of making our favorite wall-crawler impotent.


I'm still iffy about Dagger because she can use her daggers to drain lifeforce.

Keep only pre-Disassembled Wanda


Drop
Hammerhead
Swarm
Thow Girl
Powerpax unless we can find a clear bio
T-Ray don't need another Deadpool. Especially one not as good as DP
Dweller-In-Darkness


Still potential on JH's other drops.
 
Ok, I went through and picked and chose some more

Keep
Scarlet Spider (MVP) this is just Ben Reilly, right?
Vibraxas sounds like Avalanche with a couple of good twists
G-Type should be a good challenge to fight. Breech his armor and you've got a problem
Baroness Blood it'll be refreshing to have a vampire and not worry about the whole time of day issue.
Sunturion
Ink as long as he's limited to spelled out powers. So we better get an 'official' bio with all of them.

Potential
Texas Twister
Hepzibah
Groot
Nahrees
Jim Hammond we already have a Torch, but I just can't bring myself to drop him. And there might not be anything wrong with a second.
Stacey X
Lifeguard

Drop
The Ghost
Sack once he takes over the other guy, then what? Make him jump off a cliff?
Dog Brother #1
Joseph





Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Captain Britain (Kelsey Leigh)
Debrii
Echo
Guardian (James Hudson)
Hardball
Jessica Jones
Pagan
Phobos
Madman
Protocide
The Presence
Silver Claw
Vindicator
Whirlwind
Windshear
Cosmo
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn) I'm always confused by the Quasars. Sometimes their described as the Marvel equivalent of Green Lantern, other times as cosmic beings
Smasher
Huntara
Jolen
Maximus the Mad a lot of confusion in just how precarious his mental state, and therefore his mental power, is
Wizard
Woz can't find a bio
Baron Strucker
Alkhema
Darkstar
Lockdown
Machinesmith
Midnight Sun
Sabra
Ultimo
Kylun
Methinks
Helix
Blue Shield
Fusion (Markley)
Hornet (Eddie McDonough)
Rhino
Spider-Man (The Other)
Fandral
Growing Man
Hogun
Ultimus
Vidar
Vulstagg
Charcoal
Swordsman
Husk (AoA)
Marrow
Cameron Hodge (X-Tinction Agenda)
Donald Pierce
Gazer (War)
Scalphunter
Washout
Zaladane
Abyss (AoA)
Anole
Danielle Moonstar
Domino
Elixer
Mondo (AoA)
Pixie
Richter
Wolfesbane
Krystalin
Shakti Haddad
Tiger Wylde
Twilight
Aralune
Cloak
Bride Of Nine Spiders
Chamber (AoA)
Crimson Cowl (Justine Hammer)
Harrier
Maelstrom
Nekra
Nightcrawler (AoA)
Sin
Starhawk
Stegron
Stingray
Sundown
 
Ok, I went through and picked and chose some more

Keep
Scarlet Spider (MVP) this is just Ben Reilly, right?
Ink as long as he's limited to spelled out powers. So we better get an 'official' bio with all of them.

We're not doing keeps really. Just eliminating characters until we have 80 left, so no need to do the Keeps or potential sections. As for these two, Scarlet Spider (MVP) actually isn't Ben Riley. There was a guy named MVP who died in the first few issues of Initiative. He was cloned because he was the perfect human specimen physically, like Captain America. 3 of the Clones were put in the Spider-Man armor that Iron Man made (which has new additions to it as well). One was killed and the other two are now a part of Justice's New Warriors/Counter Force team. They're basically like Peter Parker when he had the Iron Spidey suit, but with things like Stealth Mode and such. Very cool characters. This one character is sitting in for the two, since we don't need 2 of the same exact character. HERE'S a bio explaining it all.

And Ink's powers are well defined and used. The only ones we won't use are the Phoenix and Healing tatoos, because Phoenix is too uber and he got both tatoos at the same time. So we'll take his continuity from the issue previous that one (forget which one at the moment. I can look it up). HERE'S a bio where the powers are well defined.

Quasar (Wendall Vaughn) I'm always confused by the Quasars. Sometimes their described as the Marvel equivalent of Green Lantern, other times as cosmic beings

Maximus the Mad a lot of confusion in just how precarious his mental state, and therefore his mental power, is

Woz can't find a bio

I'm pretty sure the Quasars are moreso Green Lanterns. That's how I perceive them anyhow. Currently Maximus' mind is free of any imprisonment so he has full control of his mental powers. And HERE'S a bio for Woz. I guess there was an error on my part. His name is Dewoz, not Woz.

Drop
The Ghost
Sack once he takes over the other guy, then what? Make him jump off a cliff?
Dog Brother #1
Joseph

Hmm, these are toughies.

Sack being able to take over someone and make them commit suicide is a strong attack really, and his gelly-like state makes him hard to hurt. That could be interesting really. Might take on some powerhouses that way.

Dog Brother 1 is a personal fave of mine due to my love of all the Immortal Weapons. I guess for me it comes down to whether or not you guys mind his using his dogs/wolves. If he can, add that to his fighting skill, ferocity, and tactical mind he's a tough dude that I'd rather keep. But if he isn't allowed the dogs then I'm okay with dropping him. I'll see what Phaed has to say.

I'll tell you what. I'll agree to dropping Ghost. I'll hold onto the other 3 for now and we'll see what Phaed has to say. I'll take Ghost off of the Potential list though.
 
Would causing the other player to kill themselves be in Sack's character? And if he's fighting someone superpower, could he even manage that?

Does Dog Brother have any powers other than communicating with his pack? If not, he's just a swordsman with dogs. Doesn't seem that impressive with some of the other characters. He could still make the cut, seeing as we have to hold onto so many potentials.
 
VOTING UPDATE

A few more I'm okay with dropping. Need W and Phaed's calls.
Echo
Hepzibah
Dewoz
Marrow
Stacey X
Gazer (War)
Zaladane


Waiting on Phaed's call.

1 Drop/ 1 Stay Potential
Ravage 2099
Turbo
Sabra
Twilight
Aralune
Sundown
Jessica Jones
Jim Hammond
Cloak
Dog Brother #1
Joseph
Sack
 
Would causing the other player to kill themselves be in Sack's character? And if he's fighting someone superpower, could he even manage that?

It is definately in his character. And from memory I know he was attempting to take over Cannonball and the only thing keeping him from it was Cannonball's forcefield (if I'm remember that correctly). So I'd say yes he can and yes he will.

Does Dog Brother have any powers other than communicating with his pack? If not, he's just a swordsman with dogs. Doesn't seem that impressive with some of the other characters. He could still make the cut, seeing as we have to hold onto so many potentials.

No, that's it. But his fighting abilities will be among the best in the tournament, along with the other Immortal Weapons. He's the best his mystical city has to offer, and being that these cities do nothing but train in phyisical combat, that's saying a lot. Plus he has a good strategic mind. He can coordinate team attacks between him and his dogs so that attacks come from multiple fronts and such. Utilizing force, cunning, speed, distraction, and brutality within seconds of each other. I say he has potential to make it at least a few rounds.
 
I'm good with dropping
Zaladane
Dewoz (useful power, but not sure how he'd fight. Sort of Mirror Master without the gun)
Hepzibah
Echo

I say keep Gazar as War, and Stacey X is Ripcord (where she gets some extra weapons).
 
Ok, we were at 91 and need to get down to 80, right? It looks like my list to look over is larger than 11. Plus, I know Wiegeabo just agreed to drop some.

I will say I have no problem dropping Sack; he doesn't nothing for me.
I need to learn more about Dog Brother. Like Wieg said, Red Ghost couldn't keep his apes, and to me, his apes are his character. How many dogs does the character have?

BTW, I do like Thor Girl for some strange reason. But, I think she got two votes against her.

Also, with the Clone Thor, we wouldn't be able to use his most recent appearance in Avengers Initiative...so, all the stuff about him being mad wouldn't be admissable in a debate.
 
Like I said, we are pretty close to having 80....so, let me know how many more people we want to eliminate and who I need to vote for. We might already have our list.
 
As for Dog Brother's dogs. The rule we stated was that if a character's animals were characters themselves then they couldn't have them. Red Ghost's apes each had their own personalities and have had adventures on their own. They are they're own individual characters. Same with Lockheed and Kitty Pryde. Lockheed is a character all of his own. Dog Brother's dogs, however, are just dogs. They're normal dogs who pretty much do his bidding. I don't recall how many there are though, I want to say 4 or so. I can look it up when I have more time.

HERE'S a bio to help you understand the character more.
 
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Waiting on Phaed's vote to break the tie.

1 Drop/ 1 Stay Potential
Marrow
Stacey X
Gazer (War)
Ravage 2099
Turbo
Sabra
Twilight
Aralune
Sundown
Jessica Jones
Jim Hammond
Cloak
Dog Brother #1
Joseph
 
Stacey X is Ripcord (where she gets some extra weapons).

If we use her as Ripcord then she doesn't have her mutant pheremone powers. She basically just has coils like Constrictor and a few other minor things. If we did approve her I think her pheremones would be most useful and creative.
 
If we use her as Ripcord then she doesn't have her mutant pheremone powers. She basically just has coils like Constrictor and a few other minor things. If we did approve her I think her pheremones would be most useful and creative.

Ah, I see.

Well, we already have Constrictor, and he has tentacles...

Wait, do we have Constrictor on the list? I did pretty good with him one year, so I'd want him back on it, if not.
 
Waiting on Phaed's vote to break the tie.

1 Drop/ 1 Stay Potential
Marrow
Stacey X
Gazer (War)
Ravage 2099
Turbo
Sabra
Twilight
Aralune
Sundown
Jessica Jones
Jim Hammond
Cloak
Dog Brother #1
Joseph

That's a list of 14. Let me know how many need to be eliminated; then, I'll know not to eliminate too many characters
 
That's a list of 14. Let me know how many need to be eliminated; then, I'll know not to eliminate too many characters

That 91 wasn't including these characters. So we need to eliminate 25 in total so far. These are just 14 that's been suggested of those 25.
 
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Ah, I see.

Well, we already have Constrictor, and he has tentacles...

Wait, do we have Constrictor on the list? I did pretty good with him one year, so I'd want him back on it, if not.

Yeah, he should be in the Avengers section. He's a main member of the Avengers: Initiative Shadow Initiative.
 
Besides just eliminating potentials, are there any characters we've decided to keep that we'd like to swap with a potential?
 
I've not looked through them myself. I'm thinking maybe the easiest way to do it is for each of us to keep a list of characters that gets dropped off of the potential list that we really liked. Then when the Potential list is finished and we have our 512 characters we can go through the Keeps and see if any of the dropped Potential characters could better replace some of the Keeps.

So far I have no love lost for any of the dropped potentials, so I'm good.
 

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