The Official Fallout 3 Thread - No Mutants Allowed!

[BlackLantern]

I have nothing to recover from....I'm a big priss when it comes to my gaming and movies, I don't buy third party controllers, I don't do bootlegs or torrents....I like my proper dvd cases and all that

 

[Havok83]

I dont think its even remotely worth the price of a high end PC tho. I used to work with a guy who had an incredible set up, cost him upwards of 4 grand and i remember seeing him run Oblivion and while it deff looked much better than what was running on the PS3/360, it didnt make me want to start saving for a PC.

4 grand is just ridiculous. I have a pretty good PC that I bought in Sept and it cost me less than $900. I can play anything out there, except Crysis on the highest settings with a decent framerate. I dont understand why anyone would pay more than maybe $1500 on a PC bc it really isnt necesary to get great performance out of the games currently out on the market

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I have a pretty high end pc and it cost about $800.
Even by creme de la creme standards, that is ridiculous.
A mid end pc at about $600 will run Oblivion above a consoles capability.
They are more expensive than consoles but not that expensive unless it's someone burning money for the sake of burning it.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

4 grand is just ridiculous. I have a pretty good PC that I bought in Sept and it cost me less than $900. I can play anything out there, except Crysis on the highest settings with a decent framerate. I dont understand why anyone would pay more than maybe $1500 on a PC bc it really isnt necesary to get great performance out of the games currently out on the market

Ah, yea when he told me how much he spent, i was in awe, i mean i couldnt believe it. What you paid, id consider a fair price. If i ever were to get a PC(i currently just use a lap top) id like to get something that would be powerful enough to run the top games out there and at about 800 bux, id consider that fair.

 

[Havok83]

Ah, yea when he told me how much he spent, i was in awe, i mean i couldnt believe it. What you paid, id consider a fair price. If i ever were to get a PC(i currently just use a lap top) id like to get something that would be powerful enough to run the top games out there and at about 800 bux, id consider that fair.

The PC I bought actually cost about $730 and that was decent enough to run Oblivion. I went and opted to upgrade to 6gb ram from 2gb and got a better graphics card. But yeah ~800 is decent enough for current PC gaming.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I cant even imagine playing this or Oblivion on the consoles. Its soo much better on the PC

Any particular reason it's better on PCs? Aside from mods. It plays fantastically on the 360.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The textures are a little crisper, the transparency on tree branches is a little better, there's less aliasing, etc. It's mostly a bunch of small improvements that combine to make the game look prettier. Plus, for people like me, there's the vastly superior keybord/mouse control scheme. But graphically, it's not a huge difference. Actually, Gamespot has a comparison between the 360, PS3, and PC versions of a few games up right now that can sum it up far better than I can:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html?tag=topslot;thumb;4

Also, regarding PC pricing, I literally built a new PC from the ground up, including the case and wireless peripherals, for about $1,700 using Newegg. My PC can run Fallout 3 on its highest settings with 4x AA and 8x anisotropic filtering at 1920x1080 (1080p on an HDTV, for those who don't know what screen resolutions mean). I built it last year, too, so it'd probably be about $1,200 to 1,500 now.

It's plugged into a 40" LCD TV, as well. That doesn't mean anything, really, I just felt I'd share for extra bragging rights.

I have nothing to recover from....I'm a big priss when it comes to my gaming and movies, I don't buy third party controllers, I don't do bootlegs or torrents....I like my proper dvd cases and all that

I prefer the official stuff in those instances as well, since bootlegs and third-party controllers tend to be s***ty. But mods are just extra content developed by someone other than the developer. There's a fair bit of s*** out there, but it's just a matter of looking at them and determining what's good and what's not. Be honest: there's a fair bit of s*** from developers themselves as well, after all. Given a choice between dev s*** that I have to pay for and a genuinely good free mod, I'll choose the latter every time. That's an extreme comparison, but you get the gist.

 

[Havok83]

Any particular reason it's better on PCs? Aside from mods. It plays fantastically on the 360.

1. Controls. This is my main reason for preferring it on the PC. Mouse/Keyboard setup is so much better than playing on a gamepad. Im sure using one is fine but once you've used a keyboard, its hard to do the other. You get so much more precision with the mouse. I tried playing with my 360 controller and hate it. You can also hot key more options on the keyboard and that makes things easier and faster. You really wont realize what your missing till you've played it with this superior setup. Its a shame that the PS3 version doesnt at least support it. Its possible bc Epic did it with UT3, but developers seem to underestimate the keyboard/mouse control scheme

2. Quick Save/Load. Not much of a big deal, but it saves time, having one button to save and load rather than having to deal with the menu each time.

3. Mods. I havent looked into any yet and wont until im done beating it, but based on what I saw with Oblivion, theres potential for alot of interesting user created content that you will only find on the PC. It extends the life of the game and provides a different experience than what was originally shipped with the game.

4. Graphics. All versions look great but with a decent enough system, things tend to look better on the PC

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I just got done searching through Fallout 3 Nexus and I was surprised at how many mods there already are just a couple months after release. Most of them suck or are gross, like the nude mods, but some of them look pretty cool. I'm gonna try a few of them out after I finish my first playthrough.

 

[StrainedEyes]

1. Controls. This is my main reason for preferring it on the PC. Mouse/Keyboard setup is so much better than playing on a gamepad. Im sure using one is fine but once you've used a keyboard, its hard to do the other. You get so much more precision with the mouse. I tried playing with my 360 controller and hate it. You can also hot key more options on the keyboard and that makes things easier and faster. You really wont realize what your missing till you've played it with this superior setup. Its a shame that the PS3 version doesnt at least support it. Its possible bc Epic did it with UT3, but developers seem to underestimate the keyboard/mouse control scheme

2. Quick Save/Load. Not much of a big deal, but it saves time, having one button to save and load rather than having to deal with the menu each time.

3. Mods. I havent looked into any yet and wont until im done beating it, but based on what I saw with Oblivion, theres potential for alot of interesting user created content that you will only find on the PC. It extends the life of the game and provides a different experience than what was originally shipped with the game.

4. Graphics. All versions look great but with a decent enough system, things tend to look better on the PC

1. I used to be a PC gamer back in the days of Doom and Quake. I know that keyboard controls have probably vastly improved, but I've always whole heartily preferred a controller to a mouse/keyboard, despite whatever point and click accuracy you can get.

2. Pausing and saving does not take much time at all. I've never been mad that I couldn't do it in one click.

3. Mods are the big PC advantage, I'll give you that.

4. Like you said, all the versions look great.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Ed: NM

 

[StrainedEyes]

Quake 2 did.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Quake 2 did.

I doesn't matter I mis-read your post, I thought you were specifcally refering to doom and quake (1).

 

[StrainedEyes]

Duke Nukem used mouse too I think. Better to see the tassels with.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Keyboard/mouse controls have improved since those days. Sure, you still get some games that have way too many functions bound to way too many keys, but that's mostly a design flaw with the game itself. Good games have sufficiently streamlined their controls to the point that I can do everything important on the keyboard without even looking at it. The mouse is also a lot more precise than an analog stick. That's not a dig at gamepads either--I use the 360 gamepad even for some PC games--but for anything that involves pointing and shooting, the mouse beats the analog stick hands down, at least in my experience. I remember a big uproar over some FPS on the consoles that someone had modded their console to play with a keyboard and mouse, in fact. He was accused of cheating because it was so much easier for him to aim than it was for his gamepad brethren.

Then again, when you've got a platformer like Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider, the mouse and keyboard can be pretty awkward. So, really, it's the game that decides what controller is best for me. Anything with a first-person perspective: mouse/keyboard. Anything where you're primarily moving around instead of pointing and shooting: gamepad.

But back to F3: Anyone kill Three Dog? I just read about what happens if you do and I'm totally doing it on my next game.

 

[Raiden]

Keyboard/mouse controls have improved since those days. Sure, you still get some games that have way too many functions bound to way too many keys, but that's mostly a design flaw with the game itself. Good games have sufficiently streamlined their controls to the point that I can do everything important on the keyboard without even looking at it. The mouse is also a lot more precise than an analog stick. That's not a dig at gamepads either--I use the 360 gamepad even for some PC games--but for anything that involves pointing and shooting, the mouse beats the analog stick hands down, at least in my experience. I remember a big uproar over some FPS on the consoles that someone had modded their console to play with a keyboard and mouse, in fact. He was accused of cheating because it was so much easier for him to aim than it was for his gamepad brethren.

Then again, when you've got a platformer like Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider, the mouse and keyboard can be pretty awkward. So, really, it's the game that decides what controller is best for me. Anything with a first-person perspective: mouse/keyboard. Anything where you're primarily moving around instead of pointing and shooting: gamepad.

But back to F3: Anyone kill Three Dog? I just read about what happens if you do and I'm totally doing it on my next game.

I'll always prefer KB+Mouse over a controller for FPS. I'm playing GOW1 now, and even thought I'm at Act III now I still can't quite get the crosshair to the enemy's head because the analog stick is so hard for me to control (and I had to turn the sensitivity of the analog down to minimum). I reckon that it will probably take me a long time to get used to it, but KB+Mouse will always be superior imo. FPS will always be better for PC for this reason.

But controller is better for other types of games, like driving, platform, fighting, etc.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I guess it's just what you're more used to. I prefer a controller for FPS games. I don't like the one hand on keyboard, one hand on mouse set up. It's not comfortable to me. I do that enough regularly, I don't want to game like that too.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll always prefer KB+Mouse over a controller for FPS. I'm playing GOW1 now, and even thought I'm at Act III now I still can't quite get the crosshair to the enemy's head because the analog stick is so hard for me to control (and I had to turn the sensitivity of the analog down to minimum). I reckon that it will probably take me a long time to get used to it, but KB+Mouse will always be superior imo. FPS will always be better for PC for this reason.

But controller is better for other types of games, like driving, platform, fighting, etc.

That's one of the reasons I hate exclusives so much. They take away your choice of controllers. Either port GoW over to the PC in a reasonable amount of time (i.e. not a bloody year after the 360 release) or give us a 360-compatible mouse and keyboard. The controller really hurts my enjoyment of what I'm sure would be quality FPSes on consoles.

 

[Raiden]

I guess it's just what you're more used to. I prefer a controller for FPS games. I don't like the one hand on keyboard, one hand on mouse set up. It's not comfortable to me. I do that enough regularly, I don't want to game like that too.

For me, it's just hard to control the crosshair with precision using my thumb; it's alot easier to do with my hand holding the mouse. I guess it's just a matter of preference.

 

[BlackLantern]

That's one of the reasons I hate exclusives so much. They take away your choice of controllers. Either port GoW over to the PC in a reasonable amount of time (i.e. not a bloody year after the 360 release) or give us a 360-compatible mouse and keyboard. The controller really hurts my enjoyment of what I'm sure would be quality FPSes on consoles.

Want some cheese with that whine?? Epic has spent a chunk of change for that exclusivity....you PC people can wait, you aren't a priority anymore...

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Want some cheese with that whine??

Yea, how dare a customer want something.
It almost makes him come across as snotty, BlackLantern.

 

[BlackLantern]

There are plenty of games that come out for the PC, they don't need to be complaining about console games not getting released on the PC in a "timely fashion"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Right, because every shovelware piece of s*** that comes out for $5 on the PC is just as good as GTAIV or Gears of War.

 

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dammit I missed a lot of talk

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nothing important, really. Somehow this turned into a discussion about people's gaming preferences.

Anyway, I went through the Dunwich building last night. I liked it, but I really wish there were more of a point to it. The creepy haunted mansion setup was cool, but it ultimately led nowhere.