The Official Flash Thread - Part 2

[Airwings]

Based on the tone of 60 years of Flash stories.

Comic books yes, but live action movie is something different. Not everything can be the on the big screen as they were in comic strips. A film is not a mirror to the comic books.

I never said you brought up villains. But other people do. Trickster and the others are not that much different from Joker/Riddler, still they say Flash villains dosn't work as serious.

 

[Octoberist]

There's a certain self awareness with Flash's rogues and their silliness which is refreshing.

 

[REDophile]

As I pointed out in another thread, Flash should be cheaper, it doesn't need as massive a budget as GL. So in that case GL flopping should not be cause for alarm to derail Flash. Yet Berlanti is writing the script, and the script is really what tore apart GL.

 

[terry78]

You need CG basically to showcase the speed force and to find a new spin on how Flash would look to normal people when he runs. Slo-mo for maybe a couple poignant scenes, but don't overdo that effect.

 

[Octoberist]

That's why you need a creative and tech-saucy director who can balance it out. Unlike Greg Berlanti

 

[Airwings]

JAK: What is most important- the adaption or the film? Given that a great film is not a faithful adaption per se, and a truly faithful adaption is not a particular good film - what is your choice?
I guess you pick the adaption. It's more important to you to have it close to tone of the the comic book. It could perhaps be a good comic book film, but at the same time not a good film. And I prefer the latter.

Think about it for a while! What if The Flash has to be more serious in his live action version than in the comic books, just to make the film better.
A film is in itself something of it's own - a creation with moving pictures, a special kind of story telling and character development to move the plot along, a visual style with lightening techniques, different kinds of editing etc etc.... how can people even think it should be the same as a comic book?

 

[Octoberist]

You keep on saying serious - what's your reference? Like what movie?

 

[JAK®]

JAK: What is most important- the adaption or the film? Given that a great film is not a faithful adaption per se, and a truly faithful adaption is not a particular good film - what is your choice?
I guess you pick the adaption. It's more important to you to have it close to tone of the the comic book. It could perhaps be a good comic book film, but at the same time not a good film. And I prefer the latter.

How about a great movie that is also a faithful adaptation, such as Iron Man and The Dark Knight?

Think about it for a while! What if The Flash has to be more serious in his live action version than in the comic books, just to make the film better.

That's an unlikely scenario, so I'm not going to bother to answer.

A film is in itself something of it's own - a creation with moving pictures, a special kind of story telling and character development to move the plot along, a visual style with lightening techniques, different kinds of editing etc etc.... how can people even think it should be the same as a comic book?

Because several films have managed to achieve that in the past.

 

[Airwings]

JAK: You can't pick both!!!!

 

[JAK®]

JAK: You can't pick both!!!!

I just gave you two examples of films that did both.

 

[Airwings]

You keep on saying serious - what's your reference? Like what movie?

The X-Men films are perhaps the best example. They have certain themes to it, with very few comedic elements. Character-wise, that is the way to handle modern day superheroes. I am not saying they should do a rip-off and treat Barry Allen as a mutant, I am more thinking of the tone of the films. Very few of the X-Men keep cracking jokes around.
I guess that non-one will understand what I mean, but keep talking against me.

When Barry dresses up in his classic red suit and goes out to save the day, there should not be any need to be fun. As the Flash, he should face enemies straight-faced. And his powers should be larger-than-life. Just compare with Magneto throwing cars off the road or stopping bullets, these moments don't make you laugh or anything, because they are serious.
This is the best example I can give.

I guess The Flash can turn around while running super fast, just to look at some woman, and then smile before keep going again. This is the kind of things most people wanna see in the film. And jokes around the "coming fast" phrase, I suppose.

 

[Airwings]

I just gave you two examples of films that did both.

I asked what you will pick between two different things. Don't go safe with taking both choices.

 

[Octoberist]

Man, I just can't see it being too serious, Sorry. I can see it being fun (with good drama) however.

 

[JAK®]

I asked what you will pick between two different things. Don't go safe with taking both choices.

It's a false dilemma. I don't have to answer it.

 

[Airwings]

JAK: You are afraid to make a choice that will come back later and bite you.
But I already know what you prefer: the comic book made into a film, as it is, with no changes... this for the sake of the film. The faithfulness weights in more than the quality of the actual film.

That is, of course, if there were only two ways to go. Reality is not black and white, but I decided to create the "problem" in a black&white manner, just to point out two extremes.

 

[JAK®]

JAK: You are afraid to make a choice that will come back later and bite you.

Nope.

But I already know what you prefer: the comic book made into a film, as it is, with no changes... this for the sake of the film. The faithfulness weights in more than the quality of the actual film.

No I don't.

That is, of course, if there were only two ways to go. Reality is not black and white, but I decided to create the "problem" in a black&white manner, just to point out two extremes.

If reality is not black and white, then not all comic book movies need to be serious.

 

[Octoberist]

Just gr Rian Johnson to direct it with Aaron Paul as the lead.

 

[MadVillainy]

Johnson could be good depending on how he handles action in Looper

No to Paul though. I like him alot but wrong for Barry

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'd love to see Aaron Paul. He deserves a break out role like this.

 

[MadVillainy]

Just cant see him in it. I really hope he gets a breakout movie role, but as Barry? Nah.

Aaron Stanton would be better to me

 

[Airwings]

I will also bring up the first Spider-Man film. Take a look at the fight between the hero and Green Goblin at the end. It is a violent scene with a dark tone to it. It really feel like a fight to death, and the villain surely dies. And I can't spot anything "fun" during the fight, it's a very serious moment in the Spider-Man trilogy.
The makers of The Flash should find inspiration from it, and also from X-Men as I mentioned before.

Sure, the film can be entertaining here and there as the story plays out to us.... but I hope they don't give The Flash a too family friendly approach all the way. There needs to be a dramatic touch everytime the hero fights the villain. Just as Spider-Man, The Flash has to put an effort in defeating his nemesis, using all of his abilities to not get his *ss kicked. It should not be so easy that he can just fool around and mocking the silliness about the villain.

That is something we also want to see with Superman on the big screen. He should face somebody who actually can give him a fight worthy someone with his power level. That means no Lex Luthor (who only can use his brain to defeat Supes).

Now people finally understand what I mean when I say I want a more serious The Flash (I hope). I have given examples from both X-Men and Spider-Man, and people use to say Spidey is fun and entertaining. But the fun elements in Spider-Man trilogy aren't always loved by fans. Do I need to mention the "dance-on-the-pavement scene" with emo Peter Parker?

No it's the serious moments in that franchise that makes it good. Take away all the humour and the films will still be pretty good. Take away all the seriousness and only keep the fun. Then it would just be crap, even worse than Tim Story Fantastic Four.

 

[MadVillainy]

YEah I remember seeing that scene in theaters when I was 9 and thinking "Jeez this fight is pretty messed up compared to the rest of the movie"

I still just say Star Trek is a fine tone. Serious moments, great action, humor, accessible to kids, adults, and fans of the original work

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah Star Trek seems to be the way to go. But I'd have Barry as Flash so you can keep the serious moments, but give him Wally like characteristics to make him a bit more fun. Who do people wanna see as the first villain? Personally I'd like to see Abra Kadabra. Maybe he's come back in time to kill Barry before his legend is made.

 

[terry78]

I'd honestly go with the main trio of the Rogues - Cap. Cold, Mirror Master, and Weather Wizard - as the villains for the first flick, save Zoom for the sequel.

 

[JAK®]

I will also bring up the first Spider-Man film. Take a look at the fight between the hero and Green Goblin at the end. It is a violent scene with a dark tone to it. It really feel like a fight to death, and the villain surely dies. And I can't spot anything "fun" during the fight, it's a very serious moment in the Spider-Man trilogy.
The makers of The Flash should find inspiration from it, and also from X-Men as I mentioned before.

Sure, the film can be entertaining here and there as the story plays out to us.... but I hope they don't give The Flash a too family friendly approach all the way. There needs to be a dramatic touch everytime the hero fights the villain. Just as Spider-Man, The Flash has to put an effort in defeating his nemesis, using all of his abilities to not get his *ss kicked. It should not be so easy that he can just fool around and mocking the silliness about the villain.

That is something we also want to see with Superman on the big screen. He should face somebody who actually can give him a fight worthy someone with his power level. That means no Lex Luthor (who only can use his brain to defeat Supes).

Now people finally understand what I mean when I say I want a more serious The Flash (I hope). I have given examples from both X-Men and Spider-Man, and people use to say Spidey is fun and entertaining. But the fun elements in Spider-Man trilogy aren't always loved by fans. Do I need to mention the "dance-on-the-pavement scene" with emo Peter Parker?

No it's the serious moments in that franchise that makes it good. Take away all the humour and the films will still be pretty good. Take away all the seriousness and only keep the fun. Then it would just be crap, even worse than Tim Story Fantastic Four.

Heh. I knew that you had no idea what I was talking about. This post confirms it.