The Official Flash thread

[WompuM]

Buying something to see how bad it is...

It's people like you that cause Epic Movie and Meet the Spartans to thrive.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wally's gone pretty far beyond Barry in every way at this point by mastering the Speed Force. He can change the kinetic energy of objects just by touching them, grant other people super-speed, take away other speedsters' speed, etc. He's far, far more versatile than Barry.

 

[CLARKY]

Are you still going to buy Rebirth?

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... honestly ? no, I'm not. But good question anyway, I didn't ask myself before you did. I'll have a look at it for sure, but I won't buy it.
I grew up reading old Barry Allen's stories, I grew up with TV serie Barry Allen, so for me Barry Allen was the Flash, and I was cool with it. With time, Wally proved to be as good as Barry and even better. I mean, Wally was very similar to Barry and I think that is why it worked. With time, the writing was better and better, and the Wally's stories were better than the Barry's one. After Mark Waid, G.Johns has established what is the definitive Flash for me. Wally West is Flash. Period. G.Johns has already done a kind of "rebirth" were he explained everything, and fresh everything a little bit. What is the point of bringing back Barry ? Wally is a excellent character himself and furthermore, he has everything Barry had ! Why bring back Barry ?

IMO, G.Johns made a point : the whole "police scientist" thing is a good idea, I think. With all the tv serie about scientific police, I think the idea is not bad, but come on! Wally has been a lot of things he has worked for the police as a mecanician, why couldn't he have done studies in order to become a police scientist like his uncle. They already did it in the cartoon, and I think it was pretty good. G.Johns knows how to make long term stories, was it impossible to find something for Wally as a scientist ?

So, no I won't buy it. Bringing back Barry Allen is a mistake, IMO. It is not going to work like the Green Lantern.

 

[The Major]

No kidding

After looking around and seeing how many folks have Wally's back, I've came to the conclusion that everyone needs to go out and buy Wally stuff ASAP.

Sorry to break it to you but that's not going to change anything.

IIRC Batgirl's trades sell well and DC hasn't given her a new ongoing yet and the latest mini-series she had was given to Beechan.

Wally won't have it as bad, though.

Why do the so many writers get a tingle in there crotch when they think of the silver age?

Many of them were comic readers back then.

 

[The Major]

Buying Wally stuff isn't gonna help anything. The train's already a-rollin' on Barry's return, and DiDio knows that no matter how much everyone b****es, the vast majority of readers are still going to buy Flash: Rebirth and Barry's comic when they come out. And he's right because comic fans can't grasp the concept of voting with their wallets.

What makes it really tough is that Johns writes really good comics and has some of the industry's best artists on everything. That's a good combination for any title.

 

[The Major]

IMO, G.Johns made a point : the whole "police scientist" thing is a good idea, I think. With all the tv serie about scientific police, I think the idea is not bad, but come on! Wally has been a lot of things he has worked for the police as a mecanician, why couldn't he have done studies in order to become a police scientist like his uncle. They already did it in the cartoon, and I think it was pretty good. G.Johns knows how to make long term stories, was it impossible to find something for Wally as a scientist ?

So, no I won't buy it. Bringing back Barry Allen is a mistake, IMO. It is not going to work like the Green Lantern.

They didn't have to do that in the DCU for it to work.

Three words: All-Star Flash.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That would've been a good idea.

 

[javi1024]

Many of them were comic readers back then.

that doesn't mean they should be allowed to bring the Silver Age back. theyre literally taking steps backwards instead of moving forward.

i'm wondering if the other "smaller" companies like Wildstorm and Image like to screw with their own continuities too.

 

[javi1024]

Three words: All-Star Flash.

exactly! it so simple.

 

[Odin's Fury]

that doesn't mean they should be allowed to bring the Silver Age back. theyre literally taking steps backwards instead of moving forward.

i'm wondering if the other "smaller" companies like Wildstorm and Image like to screw with their own continuities too.

hha......Wildstorm seems to have a reboot like every 6 months these days...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Wildstorm's not a good example at all. Although, to be fair, this last reboot was largely the fault of Morrison and Lee. They prevented Wildcats and The Authority--the two biggest WS books that sort of anchor the rest of the line--from coming out more than once or twice, ever. Not once or twice a year--ever. There was only one issue of Morrison and Lee's Wildcats released and two issues of Morrison and Gene Ha's The Authority released.

 

[javi1024]

well i don't read anything else outside of Marvel and DC so i dont know. but i can't help but wonder if the other companies and books like Gen13 or Y the Last Man go through the same crap my favorite heroes go through because their editors want to everything like it was 30 years ago (Spidey fan here, so im not just talking to DC).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wildstorm wasn't around 30 years ago, but I see what you're saying. Regression is always annoying, but I suppose they think it's necessary to get to what they consider the "core" of the characters. That's the reasoning behind Spider-Man's regression, at least.

 

[The Major]

that doesn't mean they should be allowed to bring the Silver Age back. theyre literally taking steps backwards instead of moving forward.

Just giving you a possible reason.

They just want to use their favorite characters and now they have the power to do it.

It's just the Silver Age's time for a revival from its readers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm really looking forward to, like, 15 years from now.

 

[Anubis]

well i don't read anything else outside of Marvel and DC so i dont know. but i can't help but wonder if the other companies and books like Gen13 or Y the Last Man go through the same crap my favorite heroes go through because their editors want to everything like it was 30 years ago (Spidey fan here, so im not just talking to DC).

Books like Y the Last man are a completely different animal really. They're creator owned, and usually have a definite beginning, middle, and end. Y for instance ended months ago. So it's not an ongoing title like, say Spidey or Superman, it is finite. If you're sick of the constant ebb and flow and re-revamping of superhero universes, you may wanna try some of these books out. Invincible would be a very good one if you're mainly into Superheroes. One man's vision, no editorial in the way with stupid demands to regress or nothin'. A virtually self contained universe.

 

[javi1024]

Just giving you a possible reason.



They just want to use their favorite characters and now they have the power to do it.



It's just the Silver Age's time for a revival from its readers.

but there are still ways to reference back elements of the Silver Age without going back in time. take Morrison for example. though i'm not crazy about everything he's doing with Batman, i do find it clever that he's using COIE (and i guess Infinite Crisis) as an excuse to say all the wacky adventures he had back in the 50s and 60s were hallucinations while in an isolation chamber. controversial: sure, confusing as hell: absolutey, but its better than saying "another interdimential (noun) is threating existence/reality, and because of it the time-space continuum has been altered (again) and the last 60 years in history didn't happen the way it did. so we're gonna have to tell you what happened in this (adjective) series until we decided we don't like this direction and change it again".

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The best example of reintroducing Silver Age stuff into modern comics for me is still Rucka's recreation of Wonder Woman's invisible jet as a semi-sentient, shapeshifting, invisible entity. It made the concept less goofy and introduced a wealth of new story potential.

 

[javi1024]

Books like Y the Last man are a completely different animal really. They're creator owned, and usually have a definite beginning, middle, and end. Y for instance ended months ago. So it's not an ongoing title like, say Spidey or Superman, it is finite. If you're sick of the constant ebb and flow and re-revamping of superhero universes, you may wanna try some of these books out. Invincible would be a very good one if you're mainly into Superheroes. One man's vision, no editorial in the way with stupid demands to regress or nothin'. A virtually self contained universe.

ironically i have been considering reading that book just because i really like his design.

 

[Anubis]

If you do, start from the beginning. The trades, hardcovers, and the Omnibus are readily available.

The best example of reintroducing Silver Age stuff into modern comics for me is still Rucka's recreation of Wonder Woman's invisible jet as a semi-sentient, shapeshifting, invisible entity. It made the concept less goofy and introduced a wealth of new story potential.

Also, it made her completely invisible when she was inside it. Truth be told, that's all it would have taken.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that always struck me as stupid.

 

[javi1024]

The best example of reintroducing Silver Age stuff into modern comics for me is still Rucka's recreation of Wonder Woman's invisible jet as a semi-sentient, shapeshifting, invisible entity. It made the concept less goofy and introduced a wealth of new story potential.

does she use that often? cuz i always wondered why she would even need a jet if she herself can fly- unless of course its faster than she is.

 

[Odin's Fury]

haha....yeah I never understood that. So she flew through the air....seated?!?!

the image in my head makes me giggle nervously.

That's the way they presented it in Justice League animated as well, and I really enjoyed that.

 

[The Major]

does she use that often? cuz i always wondered why she would even need a jet if she herself can fly- unless of course its faster than she is.

Maybe she doesn't want to always fly everywhere under her own power all the time.

She can carry passengers or objects with it, too.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

does she use that often? cuz i always wondered why she would even need a jet if she herself can fly- unless of course its faster than she is.

She doesn't use Rucka's at all. It wound up sacrificing itself to save Themyscira, I think.