The Official Flash thread

[Anubis]

Barry fought him.

 

[Mystirious]

Which is why I'm intrigued as to whether he and Piper will be friends like he was with Wally, or whether Barry will be unable to forgive and forget the past

 

[ironman29758]

It just kills me that Johns had to screw with Barry's history with his parents. He never stays faithful to anything. He probably didn't even know both of Barry's parent's were alive, just like he had Kal-L work for Perry White and have an Arctic Fortress of Solitude with the giant key...such a hack.

Professer Zoom did say that Barry's parents were alive in the original timeline before he started messing around with, I don't remember him writing about Kal-L working for Perry White or having an Artic Fortress. He keeps most of the history(Brainiac previous meetings with Superman, Toyman killing Adam Grant) but change it(Toyman who killed Adam Grant was a robot) and he wasn't the first to make the whole Silver age darker and changing such as Hal being an alcoholic and his dad dying in Emerald Twilight, Heroes was erasing heroes memory in the silver age by Brad Meltzer but keeping Barry Allen naming the JLA in 1962's Justice League of America #9, Mark Waid in JLA Year One and Superman Birthright, etc.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He helped the Rogues to take down Inertia to avenge the death of Kid Flash but he hasn't been seen since then. I'm rather hoping he'll show up in Flash as I'd be interested to see what his relationship with Barry will be like

I'm sure Barry would just put him in jail. He doesn't play silly little games with the Rogues like Wally, you know.

 

[Anubis]

he's also a homophobe.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm sure Barry would just put him in jail. He doesn't play silly little games with the Rogues like Wally, you know.

I thought Barry was the one who DID play games with the rogues and Wally was the one who had no patience for their gimmicks and desire to outwit the Flash?

Though Piper isn't really a rogue anymore. Apart from in those terrible issues of Flash volume 3.

he's also a homophobe.

That's surprising, given that he and Hal were clearly fooling around behind Iris and Carol's backs

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, according to earlier stuff Johns wrote, Barry took no s*** from the Rogues whereas Wally is a sucker who coddles them and indulges those filthy, no-good criminals' attempts to reform.

 

[Anubis]

Johns is such a c**t.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Johns is such a c**t.

Agreed

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I didn't really get the point of throwing that out there like that. I mean, one of Barry's things is he's one of those lighter, funner heroes. I don't see the point in trying to make him sound more hardcore.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Johns said in one of his panels at C2E2 that there used to be an understanding between Wally and the Rogues that there was mutual respect between the Rogues and Barry, and now that Barry's back, that's going to be exposed as a lie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Mutual respect? Didnt Barry die when it was still very black and white morally

 

[Tron Bonne]

That'll be funny. 'But you had an understanding, Flash!', 'No, not with me, you're bad!', 'But Moral Gray!' Beat into a bloody submission. 'Understandings are stupid. Flash Fact.'

 

[Mystirious]

Johns said in one of his panels at C2E2 that there used to be an understanding between Wally and the Rogues that there was mutual respect between the Rogues and Barry, and now that Barry's back, that's going to be exposed as a lie.

I do think that he makes this up as he goes along sometimes. The Rogues attitude toward the Flash is wildly inconsistent and now it seems it's going to change again. And the Flash's attitude toward the Rogues is the same.

Yeah, I didn't really get the point of throwing that out there like that. I mean, one of Barry's things is he's one of those lighter, funner heroes. I don't see the point in trying to make him sound more hardcore.

I really can't take a "Hardcore" Barry Allen seriously. It would be like Ice trying to be hardcore and "Dark".

Or Mary Marvel trying to be...oh wait, DC already did that

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

So far I'm still largely un-impressed with the character of Barry Allen.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It just kills me that Johns had to screw with Barry's history with his parents. He never stays faithful to anything. He probably didn't even know both of Barry's parent's were alive,

Ummmm.....no. Johns' run on Wally's book had mentions of Barry's living parents and Flash: Rebirth specifically stated that Professor Zoom used the Negative Speed Force to change the past to make Barry suffer.

It's just like the new Star Trek movie that had time travel say that what happen did happen, but time travel altered those events.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Every time I see "Negative Speed Force"...

 

[deathshead2]

Ummmm.....no. Johns' run on Wally's book had mentions of Barry's living parents and Flash: Rebirth specifically stated that Professor Zoom used the Negative Speed Force to change the past to make Barry suffer.

It's just like the new Star Trek movie that had time travel say that what happen did happen, but time travel altered those events.

Sounds more like One More Day, expect neither of the Flashs made the choice and the villian did. To be like Star Trek this would be a whole alternate universe.

 

[Mystirious]

It's a feeling I share.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sounds more like One More Day, expect neither of the Flashs made the choice and the villian did. To be like Star Trek this would be a whole alternate universe.

One More Day is also a good example of someone altering the past while it still occurring to some degree.

Also, the new Star Trek is not an alternate universe. It specifically uses time travel to erase the events of the previous television shows and movies.

 

[deathshead2]

Also, the new Star Trek is not an alternate universe. It specifically uses time travel to erase the events of the previous television shows and movies.

Dang, I always thought it was another universe. Well, thanks for giving me more of a reason to hate J.J Abrams. Looks like I hated every movie, tv show, or comic him or his co -workers touch.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Also, the new Star Trek is not an alternate universe. It specifically uses time travel to erase the events of the previous television shows and movies.

Actually that is not correct.


According to the films makers the film employs a different t time travel theory then used in may of the trek stories to have come before.

It used the theroy physicist Hugh Everett postulated Many Worlds Interpretation.This suggested that an atomic particle can and does exist in more than one place at one time.The particle is basically omnipresent.

This means that every decision , every action, or event that has ever taken place in our reality, has resulted in an infinite amount of different outcomes, in an infinite amount of other "universes" or "realities".

This theory basically solves any of the paradox problems associated with the old notion of TIme Travel.

When a traveler arrives in the past, the moment he arrives he has already changed the past . At this point the timeline will branch away from the original timeline, and create an alternate timeline.

THe original timeline will continue, unchanged, and the newly branched timeline will continue on it's own path, with it's history being written for the first time.

Since the time traveler originated from an entirely different timeline, anything he does in the new timeline will not effect the history of the original timeline = Paradox solved.

 

[BrianWilly]

Um...I'm pretty sure the term "alternate reality" is used directly in the movie itself.

In fact, the writers talk about it:

Anthony: So what happens with the destruction of the Kelvin is the creation of an alternative timeline, but what happens to the prime timeline after Nero leaves it? Does it continue or does it wink out of existence once he goes back and creates this new timeline.

Bob: It continues. According to the most successful, most tested scientific theory ever, quantum mechanics, it continues.

Anthony: So everyone in the prime timeline, like Picard and Riker, are still off doing there thing, it is just that Nero is gone.

Bob: Yes, and you will notice that whenever the movie comes out, that whatever DVDs you have purchased, will continue to exist.

So there you go.

edit: Beaten! But not soundly.

 

[deathshead2]

Actually that is not correct.


According to the films makers the film employs a different t time travel theory then used in may of the trek stories to have come before.

It used the theroy physicist Hugh Everett postulated Many Worlds Interpretation.This suggested that an atomic particle can and does exist in more than one place at one time.The particle is basically omnipresent.

This means that every decision , every action, or event that has ever taken place in our reality, has resulted in an infinite amount of different outcomes, in an infinite amount of other "universes" or "realities".

This theory basically solves any of the paradox problems associated with the old notion of TIme Travel.

When a traveler arrives in the past, the moment he arrives he has already changed the past . At this point the timeline will branch away from the original timeline, and create an alternate timeline.

THe original timeline will continue, unchanged, and the newly branched timeline will continue on it's own path, with it's history being written for the first time.

Since the time traveler originated from an entirely different timeline, anything he does in the new timeline will not effect the history of the original timeline = Paradox solved.

And that's the theory(Which I love) I used when I went to see this movie. Now, enjoyment of this movie is returned to me.

Continue Flash talk.

 

[Kurosawa]

Professer Zoom did say that Barry's parents were alive in the original timeline before he started messing around with, I don't remember him writing about Kal-L working for Perry White or having an Artic Fortress. He keeps most of the history(Brainiac previous meetings with Superman, Toyman killing Adam Grant) but change it(Toyman who killed Adam Grant was a robot) and he wasn't the first to make the whole Silver age darker and changing such as Hal being an alcoholic and his dad dying in Emerald Twilight, Heroes was erasing heroes memory in the silver age by Brad Meltzer but keeping Barry Allen naming the JLA in 1962's Justice League of America #9, Mark Waid in JLA Year One and Superman Birthright, etc.

His errors with Kal-L were in Infinite Crisis. Daily Star building drawn wrong, Perry White as editor, Arctic FOS with giant key instead of Secret Citadel, and bald Luthor, think they might have even called him "Lex Luthor" but I could be wrong. I guess they were mostly artist errors but I'd rather blame Johns.

Ummmm.....no. Johns' run on Wally's book had mentions of Barry's living parents and Flash: Rebirth specifically stated that Professor Zoom used the Negative Speed Force to change the past to make Barry suffer.

It's just like the new Star Trek movie that had time travel say that what happen did happen, but time travel altered those events.

Ah. Well, hopefully he'll fix things then. Since he broke them.

Johns said in one of his panels at C2E2 that there used to be an understanding between Wally and the Rogues that there was mutual respect between the Rogues and Barry, and now that Barry's back, that's going to be exposed as a lie.

Barry was never a hardass with the rogues. The very concept of a hardass Barry Allen (or any Flash really)...seems pretty stupid. The only speedster that ever pulled that off was Quicksilver, and he's always been a prick.