The Official Flash Thread

[NotFadeAway]

Hmmm.....I'd be OK with Brody as Wally. He might be able to do it. I don't really see him as Barry tho, even tho he was cast as him in JLA. Scott Porter would make a better Barry, IMO.

Scott Porter would easily be a better Barry Allen. I don't know what the thought process was behind Brody playing Barry, he would be all wrong. Porter or Ryan Gosling for Barry.

I do think Brody could pull off all the dimensions of Wally's personality, which is why I want him in the role. Unlike Superman, The Flash actors don't need to look like the stepped off the pages of a comic book. It's more about the personality, for me anyway.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Scott Porter would easily be a better Barry Allen. I don't know what the thought process was behind Brody playing Barry, he would be all wrong. Porter or Ryan Gosling for Barry.

My two choices for Barry right there, man. And I agree, Brody would be all wrong for Barry. I think they were doing Wally in appearance and attitude, but calling him Barry Allen and using some of his story, like the JL/JLU show cuz that's what the movie version of JLA seemed to be based on from everything I'd read and seen, IMO.

I do think Brody could pull off all the dimensions of Wally's personality, which is why I want him in the role. Unlike Superman, The Flash actors don't need to look like the stepped off the pages of a comic book. It's more about the personality, for me anyway.

I agree.

 

[flash13]

I like Scott Porter for Wally for Barry it should be Peter Krause or Travis Shuldt. But Adam Brody is my first choice for Wally.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I like Scott Porter for Wally for Barry it should be Peter Krause or Travis Shuldt. But Adam Brody is my first choice for Wally.

Peter Krause is entirely to old for Barry. Schuldt is too old too but if they went with a vet Barry he isn't a bad choice.

I still think Ryan Gosling would be a great Barry Allen. He's a terrific actor. And Porter is great cuz he's like a young Barry Allen, IMO. And that would be good if they did the origin first cuz Barry is 24 when he gets his powers.

IF, I'm just saying IF, because I don't want them to do this, but IF they were to make a live action version of the animated JLA with the hollow walking punchline Flash, I would cast Sean William Scott as him. He looks like him and is pretty much a walking joke.

 

[The Guard]

Kevin, most of that is well said, but a couple points.

We're going to get a compressed version of the mythology regardless. Stressing out over it is pointless. We should just hope it's done well.

No single film or even trilogy is going to entirely be able to do justice to the characters.

It is not realistically possible to use these characters to their full potential in a single trilogy.

The GL legacy and the Flash legacy are markedly different.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Kevin, most of that is well said, but a couple points.

Thanks. And thanks for reading.

We're going to get a compressed version of the mythology regardless. Stressing out over it is pointless. We should just hope it's done well.

No single film or even trilogy is going to entirely be able to do justice to the characters.

It is not realistically possible to use these characters to their full potential in a single trilogy.

The GL legacy and the Flash legacy are markedly different.

That's what I mean tho. They should at least try to make the most of it over the course of a trilogy, which would be better than trying to do it all at once. Obviously, they can't cram 50 years of continuity into three films either, but they can tell a better story if they at least set it over the course of 3 films, IMO. Just represent whichever version you can best represent in the first film and get people interested and see where it goes from there. I think that will have done the characters some justice, you know?

 

[The Guard]

Yes, but then you run into the same problem. If you focus on Barry, you will have focused on Barry, which means that you will not have done as much justice as you can to Wally, and so on and so forth. The best approach is probably to use all three characters in all three films, and to touch on the requisite elements that way. It's not about doing it all at once, it's about getting a running start.

And I'm just gonna throw this out there. I don't know that we need to see Kid Flash have a long career. It would be a massive change, but a nod to the Kid Flash element instead of that element being a long running concept might also be for the better. You could have Wally become Kid Flash in the middle or at the end of the first movie, and continue this into the second when Barry would die and he'd take up the role of The Flash, or you could have the angle just given a nod in the first movie, with Wally donning the suit at the end of the first film. I'm leaning toward the first option, though. Make this a franchise about hero worship, family, and legacy.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea it is an issue as i said before with these characters who are multi people who held the character's mantle. Its easier to do films/do to justice on a character who has only been one person for the majority of the character's history.

 

[NotFadeAway]

My two choices for Barry right there, man. And I agree, Brody would be all wrong for Barry. I think they were doing Wally in appearance and attitude, but calling him Barry Allen and using some of his story, like the JL/JLU show cuz that's what the movie version of JLA seemed to be based on from everything I'd read and seen, IMO.




I agree.

I've told you this before, but my choice for an older Barry Allen, if they go that route, is Peter Krause, but in an origin Barry flick, Gosling or Porter, hands down.

My second choice for Wally is Dustin Milligan. Thankfully, the talented Milligan is leaving 90210 and saving his career. But I would like to get a face like Adam Brody in those trailers.

 

[NotFadeAway]

As far as villians go, I'd like to see a combination of The Rival and Hunter Zolomon into one Reverse-Flash.

In my fan-fic, it is this Hunter Zolomon/Rival combination that kills Barry Allen. Barry was unable to save Zolomon's mother from being murdered by his father, and Hunter made it his life's work to murder The Flash and take his place as the "true" speed bearing hero of the world. Like the original Rival/Reverse Flash, this version would discover the hard water formula to tap into the speed force, and through his work as a FBI profiler would discover The Flash was Barry Allen, and then would proceed to ambush and murder Allen. It would then be up to Wally West to stop this reverse Flash.

I have a question for Barry Allen fans, if a Flash film is indeed an origin story about Barry, who do you want as the villian?

 

[The Guard]

The Rogues.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yes, but then you run into the same problem. If you focus on Barry, you will have focused on Barry, which means that you will not have done as much justice as you can to Wally, and so on and so forth. The best approach is probably to use all three characters in all three films, and to touch on the requisite elements that way. It's not about doing it all at once, it's about getting a running start.

Right, but Barry has to be foucused on if we're going to focus on Wally later. That's why I say do a film or two with Barry first, introduce Wally at the end of the first film and/or in the second film, in the second film have Wally become Kid Flash, then in 3 have him become Flash if that's what they want to do. If not, then just do the series about Barry with Wally as a supporting character in the sequels and have Barry die in the last film, that way if there are any other Flash film projects (of Flash projects in general) they can use the Barry films as a background and have Wally West become Flash because the history will have already been laid there. They can tell the best Wally story that way and it will be as close to the comics as a movie could get. They can't do any of that unless they get the first outing right, IMO. The first outing will determine if any of the other things happen.

And I'm just gonna throw this out there. I don't know that we need to see Kid Flash have a long career. It would be a massive change, but a nod to the Kid Flash element instead of that element being a long running concept might also be for the better. You could have Wally become Kid Flash in the middle or at the end of the first movie, and continue this into the second when Barry would die and he'd take up the role of The Flash, or you could have the angle just given a nod in the first movie, with Wally donning the suit at the end of the first film. I'm leaning toward the first option, though.

I like the second option best out of those.

Make this a franchise about hero worship, family, and legacy.

I like that.

 

[Kevin Smith]

As far as villians go, I'd like to see a combination of The Rival and Hunter Zolomon into one Reverse-Flash.

In my fan-fic, it is this Hunter Zolomon/Rival combination that kills Barry Allen. Barry was unable to save Zolomon's mother from being murdered by his father, and Hunter made it his life's work to murder The Flash and take his place as the "true" speed bearing hero of the world. Like the original Rival/Reverse Flash, this version would discover the hard water formula to tap into the speed force, and through his work as a FBI profiler would discover The Flash was Barry Allen, and then would proceed to ambush and murder Allen. It would then be up to Wally West to stop this reverse Flash.

Well, you know I want a Barry Allen movie, but I think that's an awesome idea if they (foolishly, IMO) don't do a Barry origin film. That idea is really cool, it's the best idea for a Wally movie I think I've ever heard. I would definitely buy like an Elseworld's comic of that.

I have a question for Barry Allen fans, if a Flash film is indeed an origin story about Barry, who do you want as the villian?

MIRROR MASTER!!!!

Maybe throw Weather Wizard in there and have Captain Cold as a supporting character, I'd possibly have more Rogues show up at the end, but if I just had to pick one, it would definitely be Mirror Master. They can make him really scary, what with the whole "he's in your mirror" thing and his crimes could be really violent and tough for Barry to solve. He's also one of the few villains who can negate Flash's powers and be a conceivable threat to him, so I'd want Mirror Master for the origin flick. I also think he's a pretty original and interesting villain, and he isn't the "archnemesis", so that's good because we're not blowing our load on the first film and still have good stories to tell in sequels. (Flash Fact: MM was considered one of, if not the archnemesis of The Flash in the silver age) I think he may be the Hector Hammond equivelant (probably better) for the Flash origin in a way.

For a sequel, I'd bring in more Rogues, but the main villain would definitely be The Reverse Flash. He'd add all sorts of personal problems for Flash that we wouldn't have seen with any other villains up to that point because he's got one thing the one thing other villains haven't got; knowledge of Flash's identity. The theme of part two would be about obsessive fanboyism. I'd have Barry discover his dimension traveling abaility and meet Jay Garrick early on, then the rest of the film would be Barry VS Reverse Flash, then at the end I'd have Wally meeting Barry/Flash and the movie would end right before the moment of Wally's fateful accident.

 

[The Guard]

Right, but Barry has to be foucused on if we're going to focus on Wally later.

Of course, but you don't need to omit Wally entirely from the first film.

That's why I say do a film or two with Barry first, introduce Wally at the end of the first film and/or in the second film, in the second film have Wally become Kid Flash, then in 3 have him become Flash if that's what they want to do. If not, then just do the series about Barry with Wally as a supporting character in the sequels and have Barry die in the last film, that way if there are any other Flash film projects (of Flash projects in general) they can use the Barry films as a background and have Wally West become Flash because the history will have already been laid there. They can tell the best Wally story that way and it will be as close to the comics as a movie could get. They can't do any of that unless they get the first outing right, IMO. The first outing will determine if any of the other things happen.

Well, they certainly need to get the first outing right, but I don't see why Wally couldn't at least be a supporting character from the start. When you say "introduce Wally at the end of the first film", I wonder "why isn't he there from the beginning?". He need not be Kid Flash until the second film, but he's got to be a presence in the mythology from the very start. Especially if the hero worship angle is to have much significance.

 

[Dragyn1]

Cam Gigandet for Flash? Cut up like crazy, can seemingly do funny, good looking guy on the rise.

 

[protocida]

Mirror Master is great, but I think they'd have to rewrite his origin.

How about my idea?

 

[Dog Brother #1]

I know it seems like bandwagon-jumping but I really like Chris Pine as Flash. He's proved that he can head line a movie, plus he's got the look & the acting chops.

 

[MadVillainy]

Barry or Wally fans

Does anybody think that Gorilla Grodd could be translated into a live action?

My answer is no. What's yours

 

[Dog Brother #1]

It'd be tough to do, but who knows? Who would have thought 5 years ago they could do a blockbuster movie about a toyline of robot cars? You never know til they do it right. Planet of the Apes is the closest analogy I can think of.

 

[protocida]

Gorila Grodd is an awesome villain, but I think a hyperinteligent talking gorila with mental powers might be a litte too much for the G.A.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Of course, but you don't need to omit Wally entirely from the first film.



Well, they certainly need to get the first outing right, but I don't see why Wally couldn't at least be a supporting character from the start. When you say "introduce Wally at the end of the first film", I wonder "why isn't he there from the beginning?". He need not be Kid Flash until the second film, but he's got to be a presence in the mythology from the very start. Especially if the hero worship angle is to have much significance.

Yeah, I'm with you there, he could and/or should be there, if only as a supporting character, from sometime in the first film. That was just one of my ideas for how to do it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Mirror Master is great, but I think they'd have to rewrite his origin.

How about my idea?

I'd use Mirror Master and Dr. Alchemy now that I think of it. I was re-reading issues one and two of Rebirth, and it looks like Sam Scudder (MM) and Al Desmond will play pivotal roles in Barry's "Year One".

Don't tell anyone, because this is just my hunch, but I'm pretty sure that the forensic scientist named "Desmond" in Rebirth #2 is Dr Alchemy later. And I think he does something to either Iris or Barry's co worker, Patty Spivot, because in Rebirth #1 he says "I wonder if you remember me -- and if you're still angry about what I did to her."


Either way, I can't wait to see where Geoff goes with this.

 

[Webhead2006]

grodd would be an interesting character to do. How would i do it i dont know. If they take it seriously it could work out i think but if they are corny about it the general public probably wouldnt go with it.

 

[protocida]

I'd like to see Dr. Alchemy, but I think Mr. Element works better for a movie. They could adapt Geoff's Ignition arc, where Mr. Element is murdering people and blaming Captain Cold (Flash, in this case), and, during the investigation, Wally discovers he's John Petrov, one of the KCPD members.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Barry or Wally fans

Does anybody think that Gorilla Grodd could be translated into a live action?

My answer is no. What's yours

Hmmm. It would be tough to do, but I think there is a way they could make it believable. Make it scary. Anything that is typically child's play (pardon the pun heheh) that suddenly gives you nightmares works great. Like clowns for instance. Just make him really violent and scary and it will probably work. Don't treat it like it's "out of the ordinary".