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[squeekness]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Carey did a much better job of getting him character. Other than the one big pic, there wasn't much reason to grab the Cable/Pool if you are not a regular reader. I love Deadpool myself.

 

[Canemacar]

I might pick up some of Deadpool's stuff now that Cable's out of the picture.

Kinda hard to get used to Nicieza not doing a worthwhile Gambit IMO. I'd almost guess he didn't like the character; he wrote Cable as extremely distracted during the fight and even pointed it out as an excuse for Cable losing the fight, made a bunch of comments about Gambit being annoying and the accent being idiotic, and even played the whole thing off as Cable manipulating G and S the whole time.

 

[iamlegend]

He's done it before. Gambit (Vol 3) issue #11. One of my favorite Gambit appearances. He's cold as ice and wily as a fox.


I was disappointed by the C+DP appearance. Either Nicieza fell out of love with the character, or forgot what made him good, but his take on Gambit is way off IMO.

Eh. I thought it was passable.

I mean, this is a Cable and Deadpool book... And odds are they wouldn't put a guy who didn't love Cable on a Cable-centric book... So we can assume that it was just the love of one character outweighing his love of another.

But I thought his dialogue seemed a bit un-Gambit like in more than one panel...

 

[El Bastardo]

I might pick up some of Deadpool's stuff now that Cable's out of the picture.

Kinda hard to get used to Nicieza not doing a worthwhile Gambit IMO. I'd almost guess he didn't like the character; he wrote Cable as extremely distracted during the fight and even pointed it out as an excuse for Cable losing the fight, made a bunch of comments about Gambit being annoying and the accent being idiotic, and even played the whole thing off as Cable manipulating G and S the whole time.

How does that reflect Nicieza disliking Gambit? It's not omniscient third-person narration, it's Cable narrating. That'd mean that it's not Nicieza saying that Gambit is stupid, annoying, etc., but Cable saying/thinking it.

Cable played the whole thing off as him manipulating G and S the whole time, and if you read the issue previous, and probably even part 1 of Fractured, Cable's been in "suicide mode" the entire time - perfectly calm with his intent to destroy Providence and himself while he's at it. So, um, yeah. He knows Gambit will be -too smart- to follow Wade, and will follow Cable, and Cable's going to blow himself up with Providence - which would indeed be manipulation, considering I doubt Gambit or Sunfire would even have the foggiest that Cable's on a suicide mission.

Gambit, of his own admission in both X-Men 200 and C&D 42, wasn't trying to kill Cable. They were softening him out and meaning to steal the payload of knowledge. It wasn't like Gambit was all-out trying to kill Cable, and Cable was distracted and just happened to beat Gambit and Sunfire nonetheless. Gambit, at least, wasn't trying to kill Cable, and called off Sunfire, and Cable got his behind handed to him.

So... where's the Gambit hate?

What I will say about C&D 42, though, is that it shows that Nicieza and Carey wrote their scripts to compliment the other. The dialogue crossed over properly, the same in most points aside from where being totally direct would be a little confusing/head-scratching (for instance, in X-Men 200 Carey includes a spot of dialogue where Cable talks to Professor, the explanation having been in C&D 41, thus not respoken in C&D 42). Though, of course, C&D being more central on Cable added more to his entire conflict on Providence, which was good, as it added a little more via supplement to X-Men 200 while staying true to the story being done in C&D. Yayness, and another well-done issue... a lot better than, say, ten issues ago.

And the new guy on pencils, Jon Malin, rocked my socks. His pencils rock, and fit the book so well. As I wrote in the X-Men thread, it's almost looking like Liefeld without looking stupid like Liefeld's artwork.

 

[El Bastardo]

But I thought his dialogue seemed a bit un-Gambit like in more than one panel...

Which ones? I'm curious to see if I'm wrong, actually, since I didn't notice anything wrong accent-wise while reading it. Gambit's got nine or ten word bubbles/panels through the issue, and I think two of them are exactly the same as were written by Carey, and then one with the same words but the accent spruced up a little by Nicieza. Which panels seemed off to you?

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He's done it before. Gambit (Vol 3) issue #11. One of my favorite Gambit appearances. He's cold as ice and wily as a fox.

Does a character's solo book count as a fair and unbiased reference? t:

But, seriously, though, considering how Sinister most likely brought Gambit & Sunfire back, I doubt they'd be mere 'free agents'.

 

[Canemacar]

Does a character's solo book count as a fair and unbiased reference? t:

Actually, Nicieza was careful to make sure that Gambit didn't get a home field advantage in his solo book. Bullseye nearly killed him and Gambit simply admitted he was better at one point.

But, seriously, though, considering how Sinister most likely brought Gambit & Sunfire back, I doubt they'd be mere 'free agents'.

Agreed. Thats just not how Sinister operates.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, Nicieza was careful to make sure that Gambit didn't get a home field advantage in his solo book. Bullseye nearly killed him and Gambit simply admitted he was better at one point.

Oh, actually, that was just a jab at Wolvie solo books. Or 80s UXM issues, whatever. t:

I haven't read Gambit's solos, sorry.

Agreed. Thats just not how Sinister operates.

Could you imagine a scene with Sinister going 'Why, gosh, maybe I should've kept my pets on a tighter leash'

*Glares at anyone actively wishing for a double double-cross scenario involving Mystique.*

 

[Canemacar]

How does that reflect Nicieza disliking Gambit?

I didn't say Nicieza dislikes Gambit. I just said it could be easy to get the impression based on this issue.

It's not omniscient third-person narration, it's Cable narrating. That'd mean that it's not Nicieza saying that Gambit is stupid, annoying, etc., but Cable saying/thinking it.

Whats the point of including it? Because the writer wants it to be said. It's not uncommon for writers to use characters as cyphers. He was pretty gratuitous with the insults.

Cable played the whole thing off as him manipulating G and S the whole time, and if you read the issue previous, and probably even part 1 of Fractured, Cable's been in "suicide mode" the entire time - perfectly calm with his intent to destroy Providence and himself while he's at it. So, um, yeah.

...What? I don't get what you're trying to prove here.

He knows Gambit will be -too smart- to follow Wade, and will follow Cable, and Cable's going to blow himself up with Providence - which would indeed be manipulation, considering I doubt Gambit or Sunfire would even have the foggiest that Cable's on a suicide mission.

According to CDP Cable deliberately got them to fight him(he also knew they were coming the whole time apparently) so that Wade could get away.

Gambit, of his own admission in both X-Men 200 and C&D 42, wasn't trying to kill Cable. They were softening him out and meaning to steal the payload of knowledge. It wasn't like Gambit was all-out trying to kill Cable, and Cable was distracted and just happened to beat Gambit and Sunfire nonetheless. Gambit, at least, wasn't trying to kill Cable, and called off Sunfire, and Cable got his behind handed to him.

He didn't get his behind handed to him as CDP showed. He was extremely distracted during the fight and focusing more on other things and ended up playing them.

 

[Canemacar]

Could you imagine a scene with Sinister going 'Why, gosh, maybe I should've kept my pets on a tighter leash'

Sinister isn't Apocalypse after all.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sinister isn't Apocalypse after all.

*Impersonating x-editor*: Or IS HE????

Seriously, I think I'll have an actual aneurysm if Lips' gets so much as a f****n active (aka not just mentioned) cameo in MC...

 

[Colossal Spoons]

He didn't get his behind handed to him as CDP showed. He was extremely distracted during the fight and focusing more on other things and ended up playing them.

 

[AndThePickles]

One page back, but here it is again:

I surprisingly really enjoyed this art :heart:

 

[Slant]

Could you imagine a scene with Sinister going 'Why, gosh, maybe I should've kept my pets on a tighter leash'

*Glares at anyone actively wishing for a double double-cross scenario involving Mystique.*

Yeah, it'd be just ridiculous, even moreso than Gambit. Mystique is leading the Marauders, so this was planned out for a while, probably before she even joined the X Men. There's no way Sinister doesn't have some kind of fail-safe, especially since he's aware of her relation to Rogue.

 

[squeekness]

I surprisingly really enjoyed this art :heart:

Me, too. Looks like he's picked up a thing or two from Larrocca. The faces are similar.

 

[El Bastardo]

Whats the point of including it? Because the writer wants it to be said. It's not uncommon for writers to use characters as cyphers. He was pretty gratuitous with the insults.

That's trash. That's the equivalent of saying that, were someone to author a piece of novel fiction that is written in first-person about a New Yorker who sympathizes with "terrorists," that the author him/herself is sympathizing with the terrorist.

Or: By extension of having written "The Great Gatsby," Fitzgerald, because he wrote it in first person and must have been using Nick as a cypher, was an enabler of and condoned such behavior in his fellows of the times, as Nick did. Please.

There's always a distance between writer and character, regardless of narrative perspective, and if there's not, then it's not fiction and it obviously bleeds through.

According to CDP Cable deliberately got them to fight him(he also knew they were coming the whole time apparently) so that Wade could get away.

He didn't get his behind handed to him as CDP showed. He was extremely distracted during the fight and focusing more on other things and ended up playing them.

Issue 41 of C&D showed that Nate knew or at least suspected that there were already people on Providence trying to get to the knowledge. This was carried over into X-Men 200 by Professor pointing out that Cable was not alone (Deadpool is not counted as being around in the X-Men issues, but it's a miniscule difference). As such, Nicieza didn't rewrite it into 42.

He was distracted during the fight. He did indeed get his behind handed to him, considering, you know, he was bleeding, obviously hurt, and hurt bad enough that the TO mesh had to patch the wounds and eat up more of his body. That, uh, classifies as "badly wounded" and "behind handed to him," I'd say. Maybe that's just me.

But sure, he played them. They were trying to play him. Both sides played the other. They got him to lead them to his records, and he tried to blow them up with himself and Providence.

 

[Canemacar]

That's trash. That's the equivalent of saying that, were someone to author a piece of novel fiction that is written in first-person about a New Yorker who sympathizes with "terrorists," that the author him/herself is sympathizing with the terrorist.

Nicieza has a history of doing this.

Or: By extension of having written "The Great Gatsby," Fitzgerald, because he wrote it in first person and must have been using Nick as a cypher, was an enabler of and condoned such behavior in his fellows of the times, as Nick did. Please.

Well since nick was supposed to be the viewpoint character, his views *are* the correct ones. Thats the point of the story.

There's always a distance between writer and character, regardless of narrative perspective, and if there's not, then it's not fiction and it obviously bleeds through.

Get off your high horse. Nicieza has taken shots at people through his comics before. People do it all the time. A recent example off the top of my head was someone holding a "Mark Millar licks goats" sign in a CW tie in.

Issue 41 of C&D showed that Nate knew or at least suspected that there were already people on Providence trying to get to the knowledge. This was carried over into X-Men 200 by Professor pointing out that Cable was not alone (Deadpool is not counted as being around in the X-Men issues, but it's a miniscule difference). As such, Nicieza didn't rewrite it into 42.

No. Cable thought he was alone according to X-men and even told Proffessor he was wrong when the AI disagreed. Nicieza was re-writing that.

He was distracted during the fight. He did indeed get his behind handed to him, considering, you know, he was bleeding, obviously hurt, and hurt bad enough that the TO mesh had to patch the wounds and eat up more of his body. That, uh, classifies as "badly wounded" and "behind handed to him," I'd say. Maybe that's just me.

Not what I was talking about.

But sure, he played them. They were trying to play him. Both sides played the other. They got him to lead them to his records, and he tried to blow them up with himself and Providence.

No. According to Nicieza's rewrites Cable played them. in x-men, gambit deliberately let cable run off and Sunfire revealed that they did so in order to find the room Cable hid in (using the "one minute" phrase to spook him into it).

Ayway, I liked #200 for the most part. Carey's use of Gambit ranged from cliche to brilliant throughout different parts of the story.

 

[Canemacar]

After reading #200, I've been inspired to do another playthrough of XML2. I'm going to use only Gambit and Sunfire; just to get a feel in my mind about the dynamic the partnership would have.

So far Gambit's been my tank and leader with Sunfire being air support and artillary.

 

[iamlegend]

After reading #200, I've been inspired to do another playthrough of XML2. I'm going to use only Gambit and Sunfire; just to get a feel in my mind about the dynamic the partnership would have.

So far Gambit's been my tank and leader with Sunfire being air support and artillary.

I never did like using Sunfire in that game... I couldn't get a character build that I was happy with and just wound up getting pounded.

 

[Canemacar]

Sunfire is kind of a pain to work with. He's got a lot of passives that'll eat up your skill points, several blaster attacks(only a few of which are useful), and can't tank worth a damn. Luckily, my Gambit build (Energy Combat, Energy fury, Dodge, Energy Form) is strong enough to solo the game.

 

[Rogue's Hand]

Sunfire is kind of a pain to work with. He's got a lot of passives that'll eat up your skill points, several blaster attacks(only a few of which are useful), and can't tank worth a damn. Luckily, my Gambit build (Energy Combat, Energy fury, Dodge, Energy Form) is strong enough to solo the game.

How about we write an e-mail to Activision so they can work
on X-Men: Legends 3 already! An updated version
because reading these comics does the same thing to me.
I have a PS3 and am sooo pissed that Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
doesn't have Gambit or Rogue. So whadya' say Can-Can t:

 

[Slant]

I just want to know what they're going to do next. It doesn't seem like they'll be with the Marauders, but I guess they could hook up with the Acolytes whenever they show up.

Or they might not do neither, and walk around aimlessly.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gambit & Sunfire: The Lost Pages One-Shot.

 

[Slant]

I wonder how long had Gambit been on Providence, as he could have been there a while. Thats a mini all in itself.

 

[iamlegend]

I just want to know what they're going to do next. It doesn't seem like they'll be with the Marauders, but I guess they could hook up with the Acolytes whenever they show up.

Or they might not do neither, and walk around aimlessly.

I dunno. Gambit/Sunfire's attack on Cable was essetially coordinated with the attack from the Acolyte on Deadpool.

I suppose the two of them could be Sinister's liasons to the Acolytes rather than actual members of the Marauders.