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unless they pull a McG and only add in 10 seconds of footage and call it a Director's Cut

Seriously, if that was his idea than dude is a flipping moron
 
Bull! I hardly imagine anyone letting a comic property just rot somewhere. Punisher was redone twice for God's sake. And between his appearances on brave and the bold and the upcoming short this is already a new generation of kids just being introduced to him who will eventually be part of the bigger demographic these movies are aimed at.

Jonah Hex aint the Punisher, he just isnt as popular or as recognised, the Punisher skull is recognised everywere, barely anyone outside of comic-dom knows who Jonah Hex is, and now they will be thinking he is something he isnt because of the movie.

I thought Jane should have got the role of Hex in the live-action film. He's such a great, yet underrated actor.

However, I'm glad he nabbed the voice role for this Hex short. Im gonna buy the DVD just for that.

I think Jane would have been better in the role, Brolin always felt too bulky too me, Hex is meant to look leaner and fitter than Brolin does.

Like i said, JH is not under DCE and WB turned it from R to PG13 once Watchmen bombed at the B.O. I read the original script w/ the Crank writers and it was everything we were hoping for and more! Here is what could had been... Such a wasted opportunity... :csad:


That script sounds great, such a shame.
 
"Who Killed JONAH HEX?"

Author: Robert Reineke
June 22, 2010

As bad as the $5,085,000 estimated domestic gross for JONAH HEX was this weekend, I think the 14% on the "Tomato-Meter" at RottenTomatoes.com is worse for Warner Bros. At least if the reviews were kind, you could perhaps see the film making back its relatively cheap budget eventually via secondary streams. But the reviews make Warner Bros. excuses of “you shouldn’t ugly up a handsome star,” “Megan Fox’s 15 minutes are up,” “Westerns are old news,” etc. come off as cheap and hollow. What should have been a straightforward spaghetti western homage was essentially bungled all through production into a movie that nobody wanted to see.

I have a copy of the original script by the CRANK team of Mark Neveldine and Bryan Taylor. It’s not perfect by any means, the climax is a bit underwhelming for one, but it’s a script with focus and vision. Jonah Hex is a gritty bounty hunter out for revenge against Quentin Turnbull and it follows his adventures across the southern United States as he tracks Turnbull down. The script is very violent with a streak of dark comedy. It’s a hard R, exploitation picture that could be done relatively cheaply and have a strong identity if left alone. It would never be a blockbuster, but it certainly could have been at least as successful as CRANK. A solid actor in Thomas Jane was interested in the lead role and it seemed to be moving ahead on a fast track.

And then Warner Bros. decided that they should aim bigger and it all fell apart.


The signing of Josh Brolin to headline JONAH HEX immediately raised expectations. It’s not often that you can sign an Oscar nominee that appears to be a rising star. But, shortly thereafter, Neveldine and Taylor were out and it certainly looked like it was linked to the signing of Brolin. And with the pair, a particular vision for the film was lost. Neveldine and Taylor have plenty of faults as filmmakers, but the one thing they do have is a distinctive voice. Time and time again, the best comic book adaptations have come from filmmakers with a particular vision, whether Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Sam Raimi, Bryan Singer, or Christopher Nolan. Replacing the people that had brought Jonah Hex from an idea to the verge of production didn’t have to be a fatal blow, but it clearly took out the creative members with the clearest vision of what Jonah Hex should be. And everything that followed seemed to exist in a vacuum of leadership.

Director Jimmy Hayward was hired, fresh off the animated HORTON HEARS A WHO! was hired. And, in retrospect, it’s hard to see what he brought to the table. Jumping from animation to live action happens, Tim Burton and Terry Gilliam being two notable examples, but in general animators who make the jump have distinct attributes in the first place. HORTON HEARS A WHO! doesn’t have the imprint of an auteur as much as someone who can respond to committee notes. And, it’s clear he was over his head.

Bad decision, followed bad decision from there on out. Cut the budget. Raise the budget. Open it up against TOY STORY 3. Hire Megan Fox -- who isn’t much of an actress in contemporary pictures -- and ask her to be an old west prostitute in a period picture? That’s classic miscasting based on marketing considerations. Compound it with John Malcovich clearly slumming it for a paycheck, and if Malcovich isn’t bringing his A game he’s not a draw, and the idea of casting stars backfired on the production. It wasn’t necessarily the actors’ fault, but it’s clear that other than hiring Michael Fassbender, not much attention was paid to performance rather than names on the poster.

Even then, the film might have survived. But then Hollywood committees got to work and there was no one apparently willing to say “No. That’s a bad idea.” Every idea that was “hot” -- save vampires and werewolves -- was shoved in. Suddenly Jonah Hex could talk to the dead. And he was wielding exotic weapons ala the holy shotgun in CONSTANTINE. And, instead of a personal story of revenge, Jonah Hex has to save Washington D.C. from a destructive superweapon. And, instead of going for an R rating, it was hacked to pieces to ensure a PG-13 rating. Which is not to say that an R-rating would necessarily be more mature, but it was at least consistent with the original script and vision which the story had drifted far away from and a violent western would at least have been unique instead of generic. Combined with a director in over his head, you had a creative mess with nobody competent at the head to steer it into a movie that was a cohesive whole instead of a case of too many cooks in the kitchen.

In the end, instead of a sharp little exploitation western, Warner Bros. displayed a classic case of not understanding the property they had greenlit in the first place. They aimed all of their “four quadrants” marketing clichés at a production while failing to understand the core appeal in the first place. Apparently, Warner Bros. no longer knows how to do small action films. Which is ironic, considering Warner Bros. gives a lot of leeway to their big tentpoles to allow directors to pursue a particular vision. If you can’t compete on budget with the big summer blockbusters, you better offer something else compelling. And instead JONAH HEX was sent to death through a thousand committee meetings and a director, in over his head, without a clear vision or authority to say no.

And that’s something Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment need to remember. The only way the smaller characters of DC Comics will succeed is with people that understand their appeal in the first place. Committee decisions are no substitute for directors and writers that have a vision and the talent to back it up.


http://www.batman-on-film.com/dccomics_on-film_JONAH-HEX_opinion_who-killed-JH_RReineke_6-22-10.html

I still have the great current run of Jonah Hex comics vol. 2 by gray/palmiotti and i'm going to defend it till the bitter end! And show off the Jonah Hex DC Showcase short that no doubt will be great.
 
And that's the problem DC will have to face when it comes to their characters and WB. Outside of Bats and Supes, they will always try to glamourize the character even when it's not necessary. Catwoman could have been a great movie if they stuck with her history, instead they gave her powers and some other lame **** and boom! Bomb! Samething with Jonah Hex, I mean the exact same thing!
 
i hope people will not try to make it look like if a studio makes changes that because of that it makes a movie bad.

Hex was a bad movie because they made a bad movie. you can change everything from a comic character and still make a good movie.


changes are bad for comics fanboys. the reason Catwoman and Hex are bad is because people at WB were smoking horse sh.....
 
I agree Dark B. Changes are fine when the actual product turns out to be good. I only know about Hex from Batman The Animated Series and was willing to give the movie a chance but it looked terrible so I gave up on it.
 
So Deadline says that the budget is $65 million, but Box Office Mojo says the film was made for $47 million.

So which number is more realistic?
 
I say we start a petition to have Clint Eastwood direct a reboot. And make it a real western with some fantasy superhero elements to it. Not over the top, but a good traditional western along the lines of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
 
That would kick ass. But no matter how bad something does... would a reboot ever happen so soon?
 
I say we start a petition to have Clint Eastwood direct a reboot. And make it a real western with some fantasy superhero elements to it. Not over the top, but a good traditional western along the lines of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Screw that. Just plain ol' western stuff.

Only the Vertigo Hex comics and that short lived post-apo Hex had that fantasy/sci-fi stuff in them. I don't like it.
 
After seeing Book of Eli, Gary Oldman would make a badass outlaw or something. We need some new spaghetti westerns, dammit.
 
So Deadline says that the budget is $65 million, but Box Office Mojo says the film was made for $47 million.

So which number is more realistic?

It only made about 5 mil in its opening weekend, so it's a bomb either way.

As for Jonah Hex, I think it's a shame that the original creative team from Crank was sacked when Brolin was brought aboard, but the blame has to go to WB for fudging it up when they could've leave it alone and it would become the little engine that could for them this summer. I doubt such a little-known property will ever get a second chance; this is the kiss of death for Jonah Hex on the big screen.
 
With this and The Losers bombing, WB is hoping that Inception hits big....and probably have it's box office gross double it's $200 million budget.
 
Screw that. Just plain ol' western stuff.

Only the Vertigo Hex comics and that short lived post-apo Hex had that fantasy/sci-fi stuff in them. I don't like it.

I can go for that. I'd like to see a good old western. I've been watching lots of those old shows on TV lately, Gunsmoke, The Rifleman, Lone Ranger.
 
That article was fascinating. It just shows how weird WB can be sometimes. They're pretty open minded when it comes to their big budget stuff but they don't understand how to make smaller films anymore.

This is why DC Entertainment is super important; they have a say in the DC related projects. Otherwise, Nolan would be the only dude who gets any of their properties.
 
oh jon i know they are not officially dc entertainment made/run films. I do hope the official ones will well enough so other big and small characters to get on the screen. hopefully treated with the right respect.
 
oh jon i know they are not officially dc entertainment made/run films. I do hope the official ones will well enough so other big and small characters to get on the screen. hopefully treated with the right respect.
 
Officially DC Entertainment or not I still bet that Jonah Hex and the Losers have some impact on future minor characters being made into movies.
 
I saw this today. It wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be. There were some enjoyable parts, and the action was good enough, but the editing was terrible...you could tell chunks of the movie were missing. Megan Fox looked great, but besides the "I don't like being owned" scene and some of the action scenes, she looked as if she was bored to death. Josh Brolin was great as Hex, and Michael Fassbender did great, too. Malkovich what the...sleepwalking through this performance. Literally. Again, horrible editing, and some scenes literally looked blurry and "rough" like they weren't finished shots. I would say it's at least better than Ghost Rider. :-/

There are signs of an ok film in this 80 minutes. But it definitely feels incomplete. Will have to wait and see if directors cut is any better.
 
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Screw that. Just plain ol' western stuff.

Only the Vertigo Hex comics and that short lived post-apo Hex had that fantasy/sci-fi stuff in them. I don't like it.


Well to be honest the current run of Jonah Hex also has had its share of supernatural elements(El Diablo, Witches) in it. Nothing as much as the three Vertigo mini-series from the 90s, but it is still there, and it happens in a version of the DCU at least becouse Gotham City and Keystone are mentioned.
 
oh jon i know they are not officially dc entertainment made/run films. I do hope the official ones will well enough so other big and small characters to get on the screen. hopefully treated with the right respect.

Officially DC Entertainment or not I still bet that Jonah Hex and the Losers have some impact on future minor characters being made into movies.

Agreed on all points that is why its important for DCE to step up to the plate and up their game.

Batman&Robin had a major negative impact like Jonah Hex but hopefully JH and other obscure DC characters can pull of their own "batman begins/the dark knight." Its all about knowing, staying true and being faithful and respectful of the source and having a vision that suits the spirit and essence of the DC characters mythos/history and stories.
 
i hope people will not try to make it look like if a studio makes changes that because of that it makes a movie bad.

Hex was a bad movie because they made a bad movie. you can change everything from a comic character and still make a good movie.


changes are bad for comics fanboys. the reason Catwoman and Hex are bad is because people at WB were smoking horse sh.....

I agree Dark B. Changes are fine when the actual product turns out to be good. I only know about Hex from Batman The Animated Series and was willing to give the movie a chance but it looked terrible so I gave up on it.

No one is talking about changes from the source material.

That article is talking about the script. And the script was great. As the article says, it had a clear vision, it was never meant to be a mid summer blockbuster. It was meant as a cult, exploitation movie.

But the studio decided to try and make it a mid summer blockbuster. And in doing so, neutered the script and took everything that could of made it appealing away.
 
Well to be honest the current run of Jonah Hex also has had its share of supernatural elements(El Diablo, Witches) in it. Nothing as much as the three Vertigo mini-series from the 90s, but it is still there, and it happens in a version of the DCU at least becouse Gotham City and Keystone are mentioned.
I haven't read the new stuff at all.
 
probably will effect plans for some minor characters of course. But hopefully it doesnt turn wb fully away from them to do it. Also i hope with dc entertainment control now, and dc having more say they wont let wb muck up production of said films.
 
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