The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

[BH/HHH]

Exactly. The Williams score was obviously iconic, but so was Elfman's Batman score. You can't truly reboot a property like this and stick with the theme. Heck, the Animated Series had a different theme, that certainly felt like Superman to me.

definitely

 

[Metamorpho1977]

While John Williams theme is iconic, I would leave some room for a new theme. There have been great Superman themes in the past. I wonder how upset people were that they used a theme by an up and coming composer named John Williams for the first Superman movie. I say give someone else a shot at the main theme. The John Williams theme can still have a spot in the movie though somewhere, maybe the end credits?

 

[ElDuderino]

I am kind of dissapointed. I have no desire to see Zod as the main villain. I would have thought given how visually stunning Snyders movies tend to be and his ability to go huge with CGI he would have gone with Brainiack.

Wouldn't it seem likely that Snyder's Zod would come with an alien invasion army?

A Superman ripping apart alien spacecraft to establish himself as the savior of Earth a la Earth One would be pure joy.

 

[DocHoliday]

Could always go the Dragonball z route and find out in end that Zod was in league with Brainiac who will now full on invade.

 

[terry78]

Or just do the whole hog thing and say that Brainiac is more or less based on Zod's persona and is an imprint or something.

 

[Zionite]

Wouldn't it seem likely that Snyder's Zod would come with an alien invasion army?

A Superman ripping apart alien spacecraft to establish himself as the savior of Earth a la Earth One would be pure joy.

The Problem with the Earth one route was that Clark became Superman because he was forced to.He became superman to defend the earth from Alien invasion.That is wrong!Superman is not Green lantern!Superman chose to become a hero to help people in whatever way he can-stopping robberies,disasters etc

 

[Rust]

Yep, Brainiac should at least be hinted at in this one. Zod should mention his coming and possibly show some backstory involving him.

 

[BH/HHH]

Maybe they'll do a Lexiac type thing from JLU and have Brainiac hiding within Zod only to reveal himself at the end, just messing

I do think theres gonna be some sort of twist and I believe it will be Zod is Brainiac.

 

[Rust]

I do think theres gonna be some sort of twist and I believe it will be Zod is Brainiac.

Seriously? Why?

I'm not a fan of Hollywood merging villains for adaptations and merging Zod and Brainiac might be a bit much. Unless Darkseid was behind it. That would really take the cake.

 

[KalMart]

Zod is really Superman...like Tyler Durden.

 

[BH/HHH]

Seriously? Why?

I'm not a fan of Hollywood merging villains for adaptations and merging Zod and Brainiac might be a bit much. Unless Darkseid was behind it. That would really take the cake.

I dunno its just a feeling I have it probably won't happen but I know Nolan likes his twists and to be honest I dont think it'd be a bad one. Whats to say Zod's not alive in the phantom zone and Brainiac just takes his image to use against Superman.

 

[Dark Knight]

Some of you people are like little spoiled brat children....seriously.

You think Chris Nolan came off of The Dark Knight and Inception and decided the best direction for Superman was another rehash of Superman 2? Please....wake the heck up!

Instead of the pie in the sky pieced together all over the place Superman II where the world already loves Superman, a story about Superman overcoming xenophobia, heightened by golden boy Lex Luthor who is vocal against alien threat, only to be reinforced by Zod who comes to Earth like he owns the place. Yes please!

Brainiac comes into play and screws over everyone? Would be even better.

As for all of you not seeing the movie because we were just promised that Superman will fight someone other than a falling plane and a kryptonite continent, you be my guest. Go back and see Superman Returns or something. I'll be at the midnight opening of Man Of Steel!

I cannot wait for Man Of Steel to blow everyone away. It's going to re-establish Superman as top dog in the Superhero business.

 

[Rust]

"I dunno its just a feeling I have it probably won't happen but I know Nolan likes his twists and to be honest I dont think it'd be a bad one. "

I guess anything is possible with Snyder and Nolan. Long ago there was talk of some twist on the story although that might've changed. Sounded like it was a twist on the Superman-character himself.

I dont think a Superman-movie can have alot of twists. At least not Nolan-twists, so I cant imagine if there are any at all. The Batman-movies didnt really have big twists if I remember correctly.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I'm adding "rehash" to the list of words the internet has made me hate, along with "mediocre" and "cringe-worthy."

 

[DocHoliday]

They had a couple. Gordon being a live still (predictable) and R'as Al Ghul and Henri Ducard being one in the same. Other than that, not so much.

 

[BH/HHH]

Some of you people are like little spoiled brat children....seriously.

You think Chris Nolan came off of The Dark Knight and Inception and decided the best direction for Superman was another rehash of Superman 2? Please....wake the heck up!

Instead of the pie in the sky pieced together all over the place Superman II where the world already loves Superman, a story about Superman overcoming xenophobia, heightened by golden boy Lex Luthor who is vocal against alien threat, only to be reinforced by Zod who comes to Earth like he owns the place. Yes please!

Brainiac comes into play and screws over everyone? Would be even better.

As for all of you not seeing the movie because we were just promised that Superman will fight someone other than a falling plane and a kryptonite continent, you be my guest. Go back and see Superman Returns or something. I'll be at the midnight opening of Man Of Steel!

I cannot wait for Man Of Steel to blow everyone away. It's going to re-establish Superman as top dog in the Superhero business.

This is a great post

"I dunno its just a feeling I have it probably won't happen but I know Nolan likes his twists and to be honest I dont think it'd be a bad one. "

I guess anything is possible with Snyder and Nolan. Long ago there was talk of some twist on the story although that might've changed. Sounded like it was a twist on the Superman-character himself.

I dont think a Superman-movie can have alot of twists. At least not Nolan-twists, so I cant imagine if there are any at all. The Batman-movies didnt really have big twists if I remember correctly.

Well Ducard been Ra's Al Gul was one in the first movie and there were some minor twist in the Dark Knight (the bent cops etc)

Like I said I'm probably wrong guess I'm just trying to be too clever

 

[KalMart]

Some of you people are like little spoiled brat children....seriously.

You think Chris Nolan came off of The Dark Knight and Inception and decided the best direction for Superman was another rehash of Superman 2? Please....wake the heck up!

Instead of the pie in the sky pieced together all over the place Superman II where the world already loves Superman, a story about Superman overcoming xenophobia, heightened by golden boy Lex Luthor who is vocal against alien threat, only to be reinforced by Zod who comes to Earth like he owns the place. Yes please!

Brainiac comes into play and screws over everyone? Would be even better.

As for all of you not seeing the movie because we were just promised that Superman will fight someone other than a falling plane and a kryptonite continent, you be my guest. Go back and see Superman Returns or something. I'll be at the midnight opening of Man Of Steel!

I cannot wait for Man Of Steel to blow everyone away. It's going to re-establish Superman as top dog in the Superhero business.

Would you say the same if they went with a new Gus Gorman...with the modern-day dangerous computer-hacker angle et al?

 

[Rust]

Well Ducard been Ra's Al Gul was one in the first movie and there were some minor twist in the Dark Knight (the bent cops etc)

Like I said I'm probably wrong guess I'm just trying to be too clever

Twists yeah, but none really shocking.

Cant be too clever if that's what you really are.
I want a fresh take on every single character in the reboot, but it has to make sense. Not that I want a Superman-movie to be shocking as such, but I definitely wanna see them take it to a new level.

 

[BH/HHH]

Twists yeah, but none really shocking.

Cant be too clever if that's what you really are.
I wouldnt mind a fresh take on every single character in the reboot, but it has to make sense. Not that I want a Superman-movie to be shocking as such, but I definitely wanna see them take it to a new level.

Yeah none were that shocking although I was spoiled about the Ra's Al Ghul twist before I even saw the film.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Would you say the same if they went with a new Gus Gorman...with the modern-day dangerous computer-hacker angle et al?

 

[Binker]

Okay, here are my two cents on Zod in The Man of Steel (It's not called Man of Steel, right? I'd prefer to add the "The" and even Superman to the title).
When news broke out that Zod was official; it caught me by surprise because, like many, I thought Brainiac was going to be in the film. I still go back to the first news of this reboot that mentioned Luthor/Brainiac. But after I thought about it, I realized something: Zod is still a great idea that many people are either not thinking of or overlooking.

Because they are looking at the comics as the source material for this film (unlike the others), anytime I think of Zod, its either not just or never-ever, Stamp's version, it's the comics, and there are good reasons. The recent comics, even including Byrne's reboot, have featured great stories or moments of General Zod that I think about the most than Stamp's version: Byrne's Pocket Universe Zod, I never read Our Worlds at War but there's that version of Zod (known as Russian Zod), For Tomorrow's Zod; and there is the current Zod by Geoff Johns, to which, yeah, he is based partly on Donner's version, but he is his own character that the notion of that isn't on your mind. And that version of Zod, in stories like Last Son and New Krypton, were either great or had good moments. Plus, in terms of other media, if we look at the recent stuff from Smallville such as Season 9, that version of Zod was pretty cool too. And no one thought about Stamp's version, except for the line "Kneel before Zod". With that in mind, even though he is an old villain being used, it's not bad because of all of these show what a great character he is.

Plus, another factor that I have to bring up is that this isn't Synder's film, it's mainly Nolan and Goyer's Superman film that Synder is directing. It's his ideas that glued with their ideas that led to Synder being hired for the job. Now, I'm not bringing Nolan up because of his track record; because we're talking about villains, Nolan and Goyer can juggle villains than it seems no else can. Look at their Batman films; Batman Begins had seven villains, Dark Knight had three, and Dark Knight Rises seems to be going from 3-4 villains but there might be more. Different from the previous film series where the villains took over those films, right? So, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because, well, Zod may not be the only villain, right?

It seems painfully obvious that Lex Luthor will be in the film, but what-if there is a third or fourth villain that is goign to be in this film? Synder made a joke saying "there might be a character that people would call Superman", people said he was joking but then again he said Zod was just a rumor, right? What-if he wasn't? What-if that mention of what might be Bizarro really means Bizarro is going to be in the film? And, again from that first article on this film, what-if Brainiac is going to be in the film like the Zod/Brainiac team-up we saw in Smallville? What-if its a mixture of old and new villains for the reboot? Yeah I know, this is all speculation, but with all of this factors behind this film which is all different than before, and for good reason, I don't think they would have just Zod or Zod and Luthor without having someone else to balance it all out. Zod/Luthor? Zod/Brainiac? Luthor/Zod/Brainiac? Luthor/Zod/Brainiac/Bizarro? Speculation, yes, but man I know it can't be just one villain.

Now with what we know about the story thus far; set in the early years featuring a young Superman, a film that makes Superman relevant today. Nolan quoted as saying that the film had a story he "never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting. I wanted to get Emma and I involved in shepherding the project right away and getting it to the studio and getting it going in an exciting way. A lot of people have approached Superman in a lot of different ways. I only know the way that has worked for us that’s what I know how to do." And added that while he "admired Singer's work on Superman Returns for its connection to Richard Donner's version, but stated that the new film would not have any relationship with the previous film series." Snyder directing, with Nolan having creative input. And of course there's DCE and them knowing how burnt we've been; if I'm wrong and its just Zod or Zod and Luthor; just because Brainiac isn't in it won't make it a bad movie. In fact, it might as well fit the storyline more. I remember alot of people thinking "Birthright" with this film, and with Zod in it, I thought about the scene from that book with the Kryptonian warships and Superman battling them from the ground to the skies and back in Metropolis. On film, wouldn't that be sweet? Nothing is set in stone yet, but if it is just Zod, with the scale Synder can pull off, and a story Nolan and Goyer can pull off; we're still in for a real treat coming in 2012.

I'm not against Zod in it.

 

[Orin]

"Zod again"... This is excellent news! And just because he was a character in a Donner film means jack s#:± I doubt there will be anything Boring about this match up. I find it funny how people think that because they can't come up with something in their own minds for good story that no one else should be able to; especially not Hollywood writers with movies that have grossed over a billion dollars. I also find it funny that there was so much fan casting hubbub about who should play Zod for this and that reason and now to "Aw man, we got Zod... ". All You nay sayers will still be in attendance. Followed by standing in line for the "band wagon".

Oh please, the whole "people who don't like Gerneral Zod as their villain of choice just lack the imagination to see that something different can be done with him than what they did in Superman II" argument is just beyond lame. OF COURSE it's possible to go a different route with Zod. But it would also be possible to do something new and original with the Nuclear Man. That still dosn't mean it would be a good idea, though.

And it's not like people act like the movie is gonna suck now, just because they went with Zod again. Lots of folks simply think there are other characters out there that would've offered alot more potential for a fresh take on the Man of Steel. Cause no matter how you look at it, if you have Zod in your movie you practicually have to draw inspiration from the Donner version. And you know why? Because that's what defined the character they're adapting. Before Superman II there was nothing of significance he ever did in the comics. And the only kryptonian Zod that has appeared after is the recently introduced version, which is an adaption of the freakin' movie version.

So please people, stop acting like Zod is a villain that has played a big role in the comics and other adaptions for the last 50 years and just happend to have been used for a movie once, 30 years ago, when he's not. The Zod we know is the character that has appeared in Superman II and that's the character they're adapting. If they portray him in a completely different manner, it's not Zod. And unlike Pre-Superman II, the character now has an iconic profile, which you can't just completely throw over board without making him something he's not. It's just not like with the Joker, where the source material offers a character that's rich enough to be adapted in very different ways while still being true to what defines him.

 

[Willi Berg]

You think Chris Nolan came off of The Dark Knight and Inception and decided the best direction for Superman was another rehash of Superman 2? Please....wake the heck up!

Instead of the pie in the sky pieced together all over the place Superman II where the world already loves Superman, a story about Superman overcoming xenophobia, heightened by golden boy Lex Luthor who is vocal against alien threat, only to be reinforced by Zod who comes to Earth like he owns the place. Yes please!

Yes, great post. This reminds me of what Drew McWeeny wrote about months ago, about Zod:

In the conversation, the idea of Kryptonians as immigrants came up. Superman, raised as Clark Kent with a connection to American human culture, follows the rules of the country and the rules of the world not because he has to, but because he chooses to. But if a group of Kryptonians arrived on Earth, led, let's say, by General Zod, and they didn't feel any particular reason to follow anyone's rules or laws but their own, that might well allow a smart storyteller to put Superman/Clark in a position where he's serving as the enforcer for the ultimate case of illegal immigration of all time. And to complicate things emotionally, these are people from his planet, people who should be his family.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/what-do-we-know-about-zack-snyders-superman-so-far

Maybe Superman's loyalties are torn in this movie.

 

[BigA]

Yes, great post. This reminds me of what Drew McWeeny wrote about months ago, about Zod:



http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/what-do-we-know-about-zack-snyders-superman-so-far

Maybe Superman's loyalties are torn in this movie.

This is where I am leaning the story will go.

 

[KalMart]

But we're talking NOLAN here...!