The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

[Lead Cenobite]

Words cannot express how disappointing this is. Seriously, can we have a Superman film NOT about Krypton! It's like people forget he is a symbol of hope for Earth and get bogged down all the time in the fact he is an alien. THAT'S NOT WHAT MAKES HIM INTERESTING!!! His position on Earth is what makes Superman what he is. The powers are secondary.

Plus, we've seen Zod! Zod and Luthor have been done to death on film. Yeah, we need Luthor, but why Zod AGAIN! Why not Brainiac or any other villain that can physically fight him. Why one we have already seen!

Not jazzed by this at all.

His powers are a big part of what makes him interesting. You can't tell me that you'd be interested in Clark Kent, mild mannered reporter who only deals with normal, human problems and at most maybe fights corruption through reporting. It's not the powers by themselves either, it's both sides equally that make Superman who he is. I don't buy into this Byrne obsession with Clark Kent that tries to minimize the importance of Superman, calling him "just a costume".

 

[The Sage]

Why not someone like Metallo, Parasite, Bizarro, etc. Again, why Kryptonians? You can easily provide an Earth based threat on Superman's level.

All of those three aren't that interesting to stand on their own and would need some sort of connection to Lex Luthor to be used on film. Zod's a character that has the backstory to exist on his own without being under the wing of someone. Now maybe in future stories they can bring in Mongul, or Darkseid.

The way I see it, three films: Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid. Lex can be in all three as one of the villains but not the sole one. Maybe Metallo, Parasite, or even Toyman can be minor threats Superman knocks out in the course of the movie or something.

Regarding Metallo, I would've thought after Superman Returns that people would want to move away from a kryptonite-based villain?

 

[Sebastos]

Why not someone like Metallo, Parasite, Bizarro, etc. Again, why Kryptonians? You can easily provide an Earth based threat on Superman's level.

Not in an origin film, which is what Man of Steel will be.

 

[HighFivingMF]

And I disagree with making this about Krypton. Writers, shows, and films are too bogged down in Krypton. Even SR used Krypton's tech as the threat. A lot of Superman's dynamic with Earth gets no attention anymore.

That's cool and all... But I don't what that had to do with my post that you quoted.

You're strongly utilizing the point about him being Earth's great hope. What better way to show his loyalty to Earth than to fight one of his own in Earth's defense? Fighting a big energy-sucking blob?

 

[Mako]

Thumbs up for Michael Shannon, and maybe we'll see something similar to this Zod

 

[DorkyFresh]

Spoiler

haha...that's the first time i've seen that, but i love it. so simply and true.

Thumbs up for Michael Shannon, and maybe we'll see something similar to this Zod

no thank you. Zod should look like a commanding general, not a cyber samurai warrior.

 

[The Sage]

It guarantees cool fights, yes, but it doesn't realyl give me anything new. That is my problem.

What were you expecting to see? Examples?

 

[Spider-Fan]

omg...just go away....

No

i just gave you a good reason why it should be done that way and all you can say is, "IT'S BEEN DONE! OMG, HISTORY IS NOT ALLOWED TO REPEAT ITSELF!!! EVAR!!!" it's really annoying...

Because I disagree? You asked me how you can approach Superman without focusing on Krypton, and my opinion is it can easily be done. Why does this anger you so?

it would help. you're coming off as emotional wreck right now and it's really annoying. you've got too much Romulan when you need to have more Vulcan.

EDIT: actually whatever....post away, just get it out of your system so we can move on.

I'm posting my opinion. If you don't like it, ignore me. I'm not calling people idiots or telling anyone to go away over liking the choice, unlike you. Please be respectful.

I understand what people are getting at when they say it's not the powers that make Superman, but you can't downplay them too much, nor can you downplay his alien heritage. Honestly, would you be a fan of Clark Kent, crusading reporter and nothing more? Both sides make Superman, the powers are a main feature along with his human identity.

Yes, the powers make him Superman. But, whats more interesting than his powers, which most people find make him boring, is what he does with them and what he represents. I'd rather they focus on that.

All of those three aren't that interesting to stand on their own and would need some sort of connection to Lex Luthor to be used on film. Zod's a character that has the backstory to exist on his own without being under the wing of someone.

Regarding Metallo, I would've thought after Superman Returns that people would want to move away from a kryptonite-based villain?

How does that effect Metallo? The continent was stupid, but he isn't.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What were you expecting to see? Examples?

???

That's cool and all... But I don't what that had to do with my post that you quoted.

You're strongly utilizing the point about him being Earth's great hope. What better way to show his loyalty to Earth than to fight one of his own in Earth's defense? Fighting a big energy-sucking blob?

Superman symbolizes the man of tomorrow, and having him fight someone who represents the opposite end of that coin I feel offers easily as much resonance as this dynamic does.

 

[Sam]

But again, why use him? He had his time. He had his iconic performance. We have so many better villains THAN Zod is. Why must we use Zod again? Why does the threat have to be Kryptonian? Why can't it be an Earth based threat?

The films and shows getting bogged down in Krypton is irritating.

According to your nikname, i believe your are a fan of Spiderman, right?

So, Spiderman is being rebooted after only 10 years of franchise.

Superman is being rebooted after 34 years.

And we are getting complains... from you?

 

[Mako]

haha...that's the first time i've seen that, but i love it. so simply and true.


no thank you. Zod should look like a commanding general, not a cyber samurai warrior.

I meant more of a physical Zod.

 

[Dark Knight]

Hope that doesn't happen, Brainiac should be his own entity.

Well, it all depends on how the story and the narrative are hatched. I don't see it happening, but like i said. You never know when it comes to the Nolans and Goyer.

 

[Spider-Fan]

According to your nikname, i believe your are a fan of Spiderman, right?

So, Spiderman is being rebooted after only 10 years of franchise.

Superman is being rebooted after 34 years.

And we are getting complains... from you?

So? What does this have to do with ANYTHING? I can be a fan of both

 

[DorkyFresh]

No

damn....alright...

Because I disagree? You asked me how you can approach Superman without focusing on Krypton, and my opinion is it can easily be done. Why does this anger you so?

the only thing that's angering me is your not wanting to listen to logic. we're giving you multiple reasons why Zod fits an origin tale and all you can really say is "IT'S BEEN DONE! Let's move away from Krypton!" you realize that Krypton is a huge part of Superman's story right?

besides, i never asked you how you can approach Superman without focusing on Krypton. i love that aspect of his story and i don't understand why one would want to move away from it.

I'm posting my opinion. If you don't like it, ignore me. I'm not calling people idiots or telling anyone to go away over liking the choice, unlike you. Please be respectful.

i meet logic with logic and emotion with emotion.......you're posting illogically and letting all your emotions pour out, so i was doing likewise......but yeah, if you continue with this "it's been done" nonsense without opening your mind to what we're telling you then i WILL ignore you.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

What's up with casting announcements coming out on Sundays? I take it that's on purpose but for what reason?

To throw everyone off, honestly, and it works every time.

 

[Sebastos]

haha...that's the first time i've seen that, but i love it. so simply and true.

Danny Rand tells it like it is.

no thank you. Zod should look like a commanding general, not a cyber samurai warrior.

Agreed....

 

[Dark Knight]

According to your nikname, i believe your are a fan of Spiderman, right?

So, Spiderman is being rebooted after only 10 years of franchise.

Superman is being rebooted after 34 years.

And we are getting complains... from you?

Crazy huh?

 

[Sabaoth]

All of those three aren't that interesting to stand on their own and would need some sort of connection to Lex Luthor to be used on film. Zod's a character that has the backstory to exist on his own without being under the wing of someone. Now maybe in future stories they can bring in Mongul, or Darkseid.

The way I see it, three films: Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid. Lex can be in all three as one of the villains but not the sole one. Maybe Metallo, Parasite, or even Toyman can be minor threats Superman knocks out in the course of the movie or something.

Regarding Metallo, I would've thought after Superman Returns that people would want to move away from a kryptonite-based villain?

So the villains are going to be Zod and Lex( they HAVE to have Lex!!!).
If they announce actors for Ursa and Non, then we do have Superman II all over again, no matter how you frame it.
I think it's going to kick ass either way....but please Zack, stop saying your movie has nothing to do with previous movies when your main villain was created by Richard Donner and his team.
Today, Snyder said,
"Zod is not only one of Superman's most formidable enemies, but one of the most significant because he has insights into Superman that others don't."
This is only true because of Richard Donner.

 

[The Sage]

How does that effect Metallo? The continent was stupid, but he isn't.

How does that effect Metallo? Isn't Metallo practically a terminator with a kryptonite heart for a power source? He uses kryptonite.

I thought one of the common complaints on the forums about the Superman movies was the constant use of kryptonite as Superman achilles heel, and people clamored for another way to challenge him.

Well, here comes Zod, a villain with a connection to Superman, backstory, someone that could tell an interesting Superman what Krypton was like, could answer questions about his biological parents, turn on him and take over Earth.

One represents the worst of Krypton, while the other represents the best.

 

[Majestic]

It is almost laughable that people on these boards complain about Zod some 30 years ago when technology has changed and I would suspect most people on this board were not even around when it first came out! Zod with what movies can do now a days plus a good story will make the film! The movie has some great actors involved with it so no matter if you do not like the villain it will be something way different than we have ever seen before. A physical superman with a real fight which will be fun to watch in my opinion!

 

[bunk]

This casting makes me wonder how much time will be spent on Krypton now.

 

[Dark Knight]

To throw everyone off, honestly, and it works every time.

Love it!

 

[Spider-Fan]

damn....alright...

the only thing that's angering me is your not wanting to listen to logic. we're giving you multiple reasons why Zod fits an origin tale and all you can really say is "IT'S BEEN DONE! Let's move away from Krypton!" you realize that Krypton is a huge part of Superman's story right?

And I disagree with the approach. This makes me neither right or wrong. It is my opinion. I think it is the wrong approach. I didn't say that story couldn't be done, I said I think another direction would be better. Different arguments.

besides, i never asked you how you can approach Superman without focusing on Krypton. i love that aspect of his story and i don't understand why one would want to move away from it.

Because I think Superman has more interesting stories elsewhere.

i meet logic with logic and emotion with emotion.......you're posting illogically and letting all your emotions pour out, so i was doing likewise......but yeah, if you continue with this "it's been done" nonsense without opening your mind to what we're telling you then i WILL ignore you.

You have the right to do so.

 

[Wolfwood]

I'm fine with Zod, but I hope his involvement somehow leads to Brainiac in the next film.

 

[DorkyFresh]

This casting makes me wonder how much time will be spent on Krypton now.

a while back they mentioned that they want Krypton to have a deep mythology...if Zod is indeed the main villain, this seems casting seems to support that notion.