The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 2

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As I said before it's a patchwork of what could have been...including the plot. You're judging the plot of an unfinished work. The Donner cut was made for fans so they could see what they had been working on before Donner was fired. Of course the scenes are terrible. They were unfinished and what they had to work with. It's an unfair assessment of an unfinished film AND story.
Dude, im talking about the story not the fact it is an incomplete movie.

a) I hate how Lois finds out Superman identity. Superman would never know it was blanks? That isnt Lois outsmarting him. Its just a stupid scene and Superman being made stupid.

b) I hate the Luthor Teschmacher scenes (Bathroom in the fortress, etc)

c) I hate the new Jor-el scenes. I've never liked the fact that Jor-el was this God from Krypton who knew everything that was going to happen to Superman and antecipated everything. i liked that it was his mother who was talking to him about relationship and love. She was the one in STM, who had that fear. It made sense that Superman talked to her, instead of jor-el. Also, I hate the Jesus allegories in Superman and in SII its even more to yor face.

d)Hate the new battle, as well, because they cut my favorite line of the movie.

e)Hate the ending.

Im talking about story and Donners ideas and how he developed them.

Therefore, i dont like his sequel at all.
 
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You talk to me as if didnt know everything about those movies, their history, etc. I know all the stuff u mentioned. I saw the documentaries, have the dvds, read a lot of interviews, etc etc.

Well I'm sorry for not knowing you know everything about these films. :whatever:

I'm just debating the issue. Relax.
 
Well I'm sorry for not knowing you know everything about these films. :whatever:

I'm just debating the issue. Relax.

To be fair I see most of the people on here with the same basic knowledge (some might know more about the comics than other I suppose).
 
Anyways, I just hope Zod in this movie gets a complete make-over like they did with the Joker in Dark Knight. I see a lot of potential there. Hopefully there are hints of Brainiac in the movie.
 
The problem with STM and probably every Superman movie so far are the villains. A superhero movie can only be great if the villain is great and we love to hate them. That why Star Wars, Jaws, Silence of the Lambs, Dark Knight are so damn good. We love the villains almost or even more than the heroes! lol

That incarnation of Lex Luthor, his whole plot and goons is just so stupid I dont have words to deal with them that are not curse words lol. They are an insult to my intellingence. They are the only thing that really makes STM from being a perfect film, imo. If it wasnt for the plot, we wouldnt get time travel bs and so many plotholes that came out of it. Also, the movie, when it gets to Metropolis, wouldnt be a cheesy fest with Otis.

However, Superman is dealt brilliantly, though.

Because of that movie, now everybody hates Luthor(not in a good way that you love to hate the villain). I really hate that incarnation. Hated in STM, hated even more in Superman Retuns. And now a lot of people never saw the REAL LUTHOR from the comics. EVER. And a lot of fans dont ever want to see him in the big screen and that is REAL SHAME, imo. Luthor is a damn good villain if done properly, like any other Superman villain, really. Man, go watch some episodes of Smallville like Memoria, Onyx, Shattered.

Luthor can be done amazingly well. They just never done it in the movies and I pray to god we're going to get comics version in the screen this time.

Same with Zod. I really dont like SII. The movie just makes no sense whatsoever. The notion of Superman simply ignoring the world never sat well with me. I really cant stand that movie. A city is being destroyed and Superman goes to a waterfall to pick flowers. Riiight. As if he doesnt have super-hearing or any of his powers. I Cant stand people talking on the moon, cant stand the terrible effects, cant stand Zod and Company cracking jokes and one-liners every 2 mins they are on screen. The only thing decent about that movie is the big fight in Metropolis.

That version of Zod is so overrated i cant put into words. I hope Nolan, Goyer and Snyder modernize him like they did with the Joker because I see potential with the character. Zod can be this amazing terrorist and strategist. I really hope they make Zod REALLY scary lthis time. People in the theaters SHOULD really FEAR ZOD like they fear aliens in Battle of LA or the nazis in Saving private ryan. It should be..look...this guy is everything Superman isnt. He is not going to think twice about melting you with his heat vision.

Just standing straight telling people to kneel before him and how he hates his jailer wont cut this time.

My Thoughts exactly and I didn't even write them! I vent about this all too often to friends and fam. Also as a kid I hated that he gave up his powers for Lois. He just met her! Now 5 or 10 years down the road in their relationship I could understand he might consider it.
 
To be fair I see most of the people on here with the same basic knowledge (some might know more about the comics than other I suppose).

It's all good. Wasn't trying to school anyone, just trying to back up what I said with citing specifics.
 
Anyways, I just hope Zod in this movie gets a complete make-over like they did with the Joker in Dark Knight. I see a lot of potential there. Hopefully there are hints of Brainiac in the movie.

Define make-over. Like, visually? Because I'm sure Shannon wont be prancing around, rocking the disco ballerina look...
 
Cool...wasn't trying to dump on you. Just offering my two cents. No worries.
Well, I also read the script for SII a long time ago and didnt like it at all. This was what Donner was going to shoot.

I remember reading the script for Batman Begins and I knew i was going to like it. I did! Hopefully the same will happen with GL since i read the first draft too and like it.
 
Anyways, I just hope Zod in this movie gets a complete make-over like they did with the Joker in Dark Knight. I see a lot of potential there. Hopefully there are hints of Brainiac in the movie.

I get the impression that the Brainiac story involving Zod that Johns wrote will have some influence.
 
SD, I really have no doubt they will make Zod a fresh character. However it still seems a tad odd that they didn't just skip over him. I mean Brainiac could have carried a Kryptonian heavy story on his own. You still have Lex, and could have brought in less main villains like Metallo for example. The only thing I can think of is if there were a Kryptonian invasion on earth, it would make sense to be led by a General. In that sense I see more of a purpose for Zod.
 
Define make-over. Like, visually? Because I'm sure Shannon wont be prancing around, rocking the disco ballerina look...
Not visually only. As in motives, characterization, everything. More like a complete update. I just want to see a more serious and modern portrayal. Something like was done in Last Son or the Byrne stories but without Superman killing of course. I want to see more about his history on Krypton. I'd even like if Zod was a bit like Manchester Black in Action Comics 775.
 
Not visually only. As in motives, characterization, everything. More like a complete update. I just want to see a more serious and modern portrayal. Something like was done in Last Son or the Byrne stories but without Superman killing of course. I want to see more about his history on Krypton. I'd even like if Zod was a bit like Manchester Black in Action Comics 775.

This.
 
SD, I really have no doubt they will make Zod a fresh character. However it still seems a tad odd that they didn't just skip over him. I mean Brainiac could have carried a Kryptonian heavy story on his own. You still have Lex, and could have brought in less main villains like Metallo for example. The only thing I can think of is if there were a Kryptonian invasion on earth, it would make sense to be led by a General. In that sense I see more of a purpose for Zod.
I think there is going to be a Kryptonian invasion. It will be similar to Earth One/Birthright/Battle of La, etc.

It will probably be a more updated version of JJ Abrams script ideas but more faithful to the comics. Replace Ty-zor with Zod and Krypton actually exploding and all.
 
JJ would have been a b**ch'in choice for the job if that screenplay never existed.
 
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the way JJ Abrams currently does his movies, he would've been my dream director for this film...

...but he's got too much on his plate and there's no way he would have wanted to work under Nolan.
 
If JJ's new take on Superman was anything like his FLYBY script, then it would've sucked anyway.
 
Donnerverse ftw. If this new movie is just half as good I'll be satisfied.
 
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