The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 2

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I dont want to see this movie if Zod is in it,cause Ive already seen him in Superman II

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that movie came out when i wasnt even born. I need that garbage bag wearing Zod out of my brain and seen it done right without the stupid fortress taking away powers or S's being thrown or half a century old effects.
 
That was actually one of my first thoughts

"Now we can get an awesome fight without giant plastic wrap shields being thrown"
 
Because nostalgia proved to not work 20 years after the last movie, it definitely wouldn't closer to 30 years later.

Is it an alien invasion story if it's one (or two) aliens? We don't know the story, but we know what Goyer's done in the past, use villains that fit the theme and parallel the hero. Why would he stop that? Plus, what better way to establish Superman as Earth's greatest hero than having him square off with the survivors of his homeworld that are clearly bad? He could be amongst people of a similar but separate race or amongst his own people who share ideals the complete opposite of his. Of course, that's just a guess. But I don't see why they would choose Zod if there was no point.

Plus, every Superman story is about an alien that came to Earth. Superman isn't from Earth and fights a lot of villains that aren't from Earth.

Again this is just your assumption that Zod is supposedly the best villain for the movie, we have seen the movie yet.

Considering Goyer has made some bad stuff like Blade trinity, why should I assume that he is choosing the right villains when half of the stuff he made sucked. Sure he made some good stuff, but he has made enough bad stuff to find his judgment suspect.

Again why does Zod fit the context of the story better then Brainiac. We don't even know the story, so how does Zod fit better in this story then anyone else? How do you know that?

You could.

If the last film had a ton of big names and was still a disappointment, why should I assume that the big names attached this will make the movie good?

I didn't say the Captain America was as well known as Superman or that it was well known at all. But it is a movie that had Red Skull in it already.

So what? Its a movie no one has seen, its not TV all the time, there is tons of room for improvement. With Superman II, its an extremely well known film so everyone knows Zod's story, there is less room for improvement, Red Skull was Italian in the Cap movie no one saw, how did they ruin Zod in Superman II, what would the new movie improve about him? Also there has only been one Cap movie, that almost no one has seen. That doesn't make Skull as over exposed in pop culture then Zod is. Using Zod just seems like playing it safe, rather doing something new and different.

The thing is Brainiac has a different power set then Superman, so his fight scenes would be far more dynamic and unique then Zod, who just has the same powers as Superman.


Nostalgia for who? I don't understand why you think the studio would make a tribute to the second movie after the tribute to the first movie disappointed.

Goyer perhaps, maybe he but Zod in because he liked Superman II rather Zod being the best villain of the context. Zod being the best villain for the context of the story is nothing more then your assumption.


That was actually one of my first thoughts

"Now we can get an awesome fight without giant plastic wrap shields being thrown"

Why can't they do that with Brainiac or Metallo or anyone else?
 
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Here we go again... no, SII is NOT a well known film. In fact... the target audience of this film doesn't know or care about MOST 80s films. Just because fans know it, it doesn't mean the GA does. The problem with SR was not nostalgia itself... the problem was its dullness and most people in the GA not knowing WTF was going on because they hadn't even seen the previous films that were supposed to serve as backstory.
 
Maybe using General Zod is what was best for the story

How do we know Zod is the best and some other villain wouldn't be better for the story? Why is Zod so important to the story? If they are going to justify Zod, a villain they know a lot people won't want to see again because there are tons of villains who never had a chance to shine on the Silver Screen, they need a damn good justification.
 
Why can't they do that with Brainiac or Metallo or anyone else?

Why can't you just sit back and enjoy the thought that we're finally going to get an awesome Superman movie? Even if you don't take that on good faith, why ceaseless complaining about something you have no power whatsoever to change, even though you have no idea what the story is, what this Zod might be like, or what happens? This Zod could very well end up being as awesome as the Joker in TDK.

All people wanted was a powerful opponent for Superman after SR, and we're actually getting one, and still people complain just because Zod happened to be in a movie decades ago.
 
How do we know Zod is the best and some other villain wouldn't be better for the story? Why is Zod so important to the story? If they are going to justify Zod, a villain they know a lot people won't want to see again because there are tons of villains who never had a chance to shine on the Silver Screen, they need a damn good justification.

We don't but thats my point why dont you wait til you see the movie.
 
Why can't you just sit back and enjoy the thought that we're finally going to get an awesome Superman movie? Even if you don't take that on good faith, why ceaseless complaining about something you have no power whatsoever to change, even though you have no idea what the story is, what this Zod might be like, or what happens? This Zod could very well end up being as awesome as the Joker in TDK.

All people wanted was a powerful opponent for Superman after SR, and we're actually getting one, and still people complain just because Zod happened to be in a movie decades ago.

Because I want to see something unique with a Superman movie, so having Zod already makes it less unique then the previous films, its playing it safe. I want a Superman movie that is truly a new experience for me, with Zod there is way less of a chance that I get that. Yeah maybe some guy who has not seen the second movie will get a new experience, good for for him, he may enjoy the movie, that doesn't mean I will.

Zod just is not as dynamic a character as Joker is, so frankly its harder to write a different story with Zod then with Joker. Heck how would a new Zod story be different then the story in Superman II?

Superman Returns not having a powerful villain is not the only problem, the bigger problem is it played it safe, it did nothing new and some not fun to watch because of that/ That kinda soured me on new Superman films, so having Zod as villain, making another safe movie instead of doing. Superman Returns is the most disappointing movie I ever seen, so frankly seeing this movie playing it safe instead of trying something new, by making Zod the villain, disappoints me and makes me less likely to see the film. I want a new Superman movie that gives me something new, not just any old Superman movie.

We don't but thats my point why dont you wait til you see the movie.

So I not going to make that assumption that he is the best villain for the role, to me it just seems like the film makers are playing it safe rather trying something new.
 
So I not going to make that assumption that he is the best villain for the role, to me it just seems like the film makers are playing it safe rather trying something new.

I disagree especially after knowing how this script came about from Nolan and Goyer they'd have no reason to play it safe.
 
Well,I want to give things a chance first,before I start bashing them. Just because Zod is in it,it doesnt mean its going to be a rehash of SMII.

As long as Lex doesnt have a wacky idea of wanting to create a vacation spot,Im happy.

And Im very interested to see what Zod's inclusion will lead to. It may a have rich telling of Krypton,which I know most of us are dying to see.

Just cool about Zod,and wait till he we hear more,I know were entitled to speak on it,but just open up a little more to the idea,cause I have a pretty good feeling about this movie indeed.
 
What's wrong with you? Bashing a movie before it's even made makes much more sense.
 
There's still a possibility that Brainiac could be in it. It's pointless to complain about something before you know all the facts.
 
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I know it is just my opinion/vision.

But I want to see an established Superman, who has to deal with a Brainiack who comes to earth as a kind of Alien black box....stored technology that finds it's way to earth... the US military in trying to decrypt it bring it online....use Lex corp in there PLEASE

Brainiack starts out as an AI.... with a dire message for planet earth..... that the sun we depend upon is dieing


Superman doesn't beleive it, but all the world does.... Brainiack reveals the origin of Superman to the world...as he recognizes the DNA signature of Kal-el... Informs the world Superman is infact an alien from a world the died.....much like Earth is in danger of as we speak.

He chalenges Superman on an intellectual level and gets the trust of the people of earth.... Summons the use of Earths greatest scientists and technology. Only to use it to build himselft into an uberpowerful techno organic menace.


Giving way to us seeing Superman go up against a terminator/transfomer on steroids.....
 
About all this "Superman II and Zod's story is well known".

It's not. At all.

I work in the film industry, work with people in the industry who are passionate about it and watch as much stuff as they can. The most they know about Superman II is 'Is that the one where he fights those two or three guys in black?".
 
I think people get slammed for not being up for Zod. They might know Zod will be done well, but just wanted fresh villains on screen with this being a fresh start. Even though they know it will be a new version of Zod and will be pulled off fine, it's still looking over other fresh characters that would have worked easily. I have no doubt that Zod will be pulled off as well as possible, I just acknowledge a Brainiac/Lex/Metallo story would have worked as well and reallllly separated from past movies.
 
If he doesn't say Kneel before Zod....screw this movie.

He'll say it to Faora. And then we'll get an uncomfortably long scene of, well..... Faora kneeling before Zod. ;)
 
Zod then tells her "I'll tell you when you can speak"

*gulp*

lol
 
About all this "Superman II and Zod's story is well known".

It's not. At all.

I work in the film industry, work with people in the industry who are passionate about it and watch as much stuff as they can. The most they know about Superman II is 'Is that the one where he fights those two or three guys in black?".

That's funny...because just the other day during lunch break on our shoot, I mentioned that Michael Shannon was the new Zod...and at least three people started talking about Terence Stamp and whether this was going to be a remake of Supes II.

I think especially if you grew up in the 80's, movies like Superman and Supes II, along with Star Wars and Indiana Jones, are still pretty strong in your memory whether you're a 'film buff' or not.
 
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If he doesn't say Kneel before Zod....screw this movie.

Well I don't know about that. But lately I have found myself saying "Kneel Before Zod!" randomly to myself....

Its quite a awesome thing to say. :D
 
That's funny...because just the other day during lunch break on our shoot, I mentioned that Michael Shannon was the new Zod...and at least three people started talking about Terence Stamp and whether this was going to be a remake of Supes II.

I think especially if you grew up in the 80's, movies like Superman and Supes II, along with Star Wars and Indiana Jones, are still pretty strong in your memory whether you're a 'film buff' or not.

The people I was talking to are around my age (22) with the exception of a couple who were in their late 20's/early 30's. They remember STM the most vividly (but still not that well), but not Superman II at all for some reason. But every single one of them were huge Star Wars/Indy/Alien fans.

Maybe it's got something to do with geography, or maybe none of them are going were particularly superhero fans, I don't know.
 
The people I was talking to are around my age (22) with the exception of a couple who were in their late 20's/early 30's. They remember STM the most vividly (but still not that well), but not Superman II at all for some reason. But every single one of them were huge Star Wars/Indy/Alien fans.

Maybe it's got something to do with geography, or maybe none of them are going were particularly superhero fans, I don't know.

Or maybe you can't just nail down a certain 'type' for all film production crews. This one ranged from early-20's to 40's.
 
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