The Official Mitt Romney Thread II

[Atom Ant]

You can print the actual bills online, and as far as everything you just said, you have to have all of that to enroll in a public school.....so if the children of illegal immigrants can get all of that, I see no reason why we can't.....after awhile it takes some time and money, yes....but that's life.

No that's life under a GOP legislature that wants to keep certain people away from the polls. We've being doing just fine with no "voter fraud" for a couple hundred years now. Why make it harder? What are they afraid of?
I guarantee you that if those targeted demographics voted for the GOP they would never even think of changing it. Just like their cutting down on early voting and voting on the Sunday before the election. It's a means to an end that favors them. It's why student i.d.s aren't good enough even though they have a photo on them but a gun permit that doesn't is acceptable. Because gun owners are more likely to vote Republican. It's why they tried to leave the polls open longer in Republican districts than Democratic voting ones. It's blatant. There is no justification for it. There is no voter fraud problem. Just a Democratic voter problem.

 

[Kelly]

No that's life under a GOP legislature that wants to keep certain people away from the polls. We've being doing just fine with no "voter fraud" for a couple hundred years now. Why make it harder? What are they afraid of?
I guarantee you that if those targeted demographics voted for the GOP they would never even think of changing it. Just like their cutting down on early voting and voting on the Sunday before the election. It's a means to an end that favors them. It's why student i.d.s aren't good enough even though they have a photo on them but a gun permit that doesn't is acceptable. Because gun owners are more likely to vote Republican. It's why they tried to leave the polls open longer in Republican districts than Democratic voting ones. It's blatant. There is no justification for it. There is no voter fraud problem. Just a Democratic voter problem.

And if the shoe were on the other foot, the Democrats would be doing the same exact thing......

But, as I said...the things that you had to find, parents have to do that 2x a year for their students if their students are athletes, and once if they aren't....AND a full shot record....not a copy. So it is done by millions yearly, sometimes 2x a year for their children, we as adults should be able to do the same. Not because of voter fraud, just because those are things you should have.....

 

[Atom Ant]

And if the shoe were on the other foot, the Democrats would be doing the same exact thing......

Really? You do realize that there are states out there with Democratic Governors and Legislatures right? Have you seen them attempt to close the white neighborhood's polls early? Have you seen them make gun permits unacceptable for voter ID but an ACLU membership card or a Labor Union card acceptable for voting? No you haven't.

But you know all that already. So what exactly did you mean by "shoe on the other foot"? What is the "shoe"?

and as for the "things we should have"..... that's a strawman there. different things require different criteria and documentation. some things require background checks,credit checks,psychological evaluations,drug tests,eye tests and full physicals. Just because one thing requires something doesn't mean something else should. And I'm not against voter I.D.s if they were rolled out properly. but this is stuff that was passed with little time to make sure everyone who needed one got one in time. Some of them are still being litigated. the state has a responsibility to give ample time to notify everyone and make sure they are ready.

 

[enterthemadness]

I don't see the problem...nothing wrong with any party just trying to fill it's ranks. Although I guess doing so far the county clerk's office is a no-no and she cursed...on camera...but the woman recording sounded RUUUUUUUUUUUDE. Old people these days.... Trying to mess up Romney's path to victory.

 

[Fading]

Romney is really becoming like a parody of a Presidential campaign.

It's like I said in another thread, it reads like an episode of Seinfeld. I can see Kramer running for mayor, getting caught on tape saying something that offends half the electorate, and showing up on a Latino talk show 10x his normal tan. Intentional, or not, Mitt Romney is such an akward human being. His campaign is priceless for the pure hilarity. Sadly he refuses to restaff as he thinks things are fine, then again more than half of this is his own fault.

 

[Fading]

As for voter ID laws coming out this year...I don't see how they can't be seen as an attempt to drive down voting turnout. In one state they added 10+ more pages that needed to be scanned in while voting, imagine the increased time that takes per voter. Early voting has been cut down more, and voting ID's made severely harder to get. A Rep politician even said these changes would help get Romney in office. Why making voting a ***** increasingly, and taxing mentally is ok is beyond me. It's especially unfair given many of the new laws came out so close to election. Ppl who haven't heard of them are screwed come election day.

I do get Kelly's argument that it can be done, but it's increasingly more difficult for certain demographics like the elderly. Remember the sweet elderly woman who fought the law? Voted her whole life, and suddenly couldn't. The pro law side went with her to get her ID, and still almost couldn't get it. It took some persuasion on their part for her to get it. Not every elderly person has politicians trying to prove a point following them to get their ID's.

It's especially hypocritical given all the small government talk. Making a job bill for veterans, "NO way!", decreasing voter turn out, "Awesome if it helps Romney!". Ugh, I hate politics, lol. I think I'm subconsciously a masochist.

 

[Kelly]

As for voter ID laws coming out this year...I don't see how they can't be seen as an attempt to drive down voting turnout. In one state they added 10+ more pages that needed to be scanned in while voting, imagine the increased time that takes per voter. Early voting has been cut down more, and voting ID's made severely harder to get. A Rep politician even said these changes would help get Romney in office. Why making voting a ***** increasingly, and taxing mentally is ok is beyond me. It's especially unfair given many of the new laws came out so close to election. Ppl who haven't heard of them are screwed come election day.

I do get Kelly's argument that it can be done, but it's increasingly more difficult for certain demographics like the elderly. Remember the sweet elderly woman who fought the law? Voted her whole life, and suddenly couldn't. The pro law side went with her to get her ID, and still almost couldn't get it. It took some persuasion on their part for her to get it. Not every elderly person has politicians trying to prove a point following them to get their ID's.

It's especially hypocritical given all the small government talk. Making a job bill for veterans, "NO way!", decreasing voter turn out, "Awesome if it helps Romney!". Ugh, I hate politics, lol. I think I'm subconsciously a masochist.

Myself and others have put forth the ideas that many of these states will put together to make sure that those people you speak of WILL get an ID. Do some things have to change in order for them to get the ID....yes, and many of the states that want the ID to be shown are willing to spend the money and make those changes. So, really many of those arguments are moot....

 

[Spider - Man]

No that's life under a GOP legislature that wants to keep certain people away from the polls. We've being doing just fine with no "voter fraud" for a couple hundred years now. Why make it harder? What are they afraid of?
I guarantee you that if those targeted demographics voted for the GOP they would never even think of changing it. Just like their cutting down on early voting and voting on the Sunday before the election. It's a means to an end that favors them. It's why student i.d.s aren't good enough even though they have a photo on them but a gun permit that doesn't is acceptable. Because gun owners are more likely to vote Republican. It's why they tried to leave the polls open longer in Republican districts than Democratic voting ones. It's blatant. There is no justification for it. There is no voter fraud problem. Just a Democratic voter problem.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/01/11/obama-courting-dead-voters/

 

[Atom Ant]

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/01/11/obama-courting-dead-voters/

you do know that is pure bullcrap right? why do people insist on posting these lies. James O'Keefe is a criminal and notorious for editing videos and producing propaganda. You cannot believe anything he puts out.

http://newscorpwatch.org/blog/201205160006

 

[Atom Ant]

Here's a real case of election fraud http://lawsonry.com/2012/09/republican-staffers-charged-with-36-counts-of-election-fraud/

 

[Atom Ant]

I don't see the problem...nothing wrong with any party just trying to fill it's ranks. Although I guess doing so far the county clerk's office is a no-no and she cursed...on camera...but the woman recording sounded RUUUUUUUUUUUDE. Old people these days.... Trying to mess up Romney's path to victory.

there was no cursing in that video. at all. why do you say there was. She called the girl "honey bunch" which is a common term of endearment . I think sometimes people just hear what they want to hear.

 

[Atom Ant]

Myself and others have put forth the ideas that many of these states will put together to make sure that those people you speak of WILL get an ID. Do some things have to change in order for them to get the ID....yes, and many of the states that want the ID to be shown are willing to spend the money and make those changes. So, really many of those arguments are moot....

Only in your opinion. But there are people out there that will be denied voting because of a partisan plan to make it as difficult as they legally can to improve their own chances at the polls.
because let's face it. the "shoe" is the fact that the more people who turn out the better the chances are for Democrats. The "shoe" is the fact that the GOP are on the way out. Their voter base is older and dwindling. as long as they continue to offend and marginalize poor people and minorities it will continue to be so. The "shoe" is that they're afraid they can't win without cheating.

 

[Atom Ant]

Mitt Romney's plan to replace Obamacare is to do nothing. Just go to the ER if you have a problem. yeah Mitt, if your kid has Leukemia send him to the ER. They'll take good care of him. Who does he think pays for indigent care anyway? Well not him. He doesn't pay taxes like normal folk. He pays about half of what a normal middle class person would. (far less if you consider payroll taxes) And not even that if he can make it and hide it offshore.

 

[Spider - Man]

you do know that is pure bullcrap right? why do people insist on posting these lies. James O'Keefe is a criminal and notorious for editing videos and producing propaganda. You cannot believe anything he puts out.

http://newscorpwatch.org/blog/201205160006

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-For-Casting-Absentee-Ballots-For-Dead-People

Hey let's just keep posting links. That really dispels the myth that requiring voter IDs is wrong.

 

[Spider - Man]

Here's a real case of election fraud http://lawsonry.com/2012/09/republican-staffers-charged-with-36-counts-of-election-fraud/

Right because republicans are the only ones who do wrong and anything the democrats are accused of is some made-up hokeum to make them look like the less than perfect people they are. Newsflash - http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-is-a-proven-election-manipulation-tactic and http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA635.html - here's even more cases of democrats doing the same thing. Sorry to break your rose-tinted glasses. We could play this post-a-link-to-support-your-view game all day. Step away from the crack pipe. Bottom line, just because you can show some case of Republican-based wrongdoing doesn't mean that there isn't a real reason voter IDs should be required. Just because you perceive they might somehow hurt your constituency makes you blind to the overall benefit of requiring this in the longrun. Stop letting your party bias keep you from seeing that this is just as necessary as requiring a passport to cross borders. Oh that's right, your party doesn't support that either!

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's like I said in another thread, it reads like an episode of Seinfeld. I can see Kramer running for mayor, getting caught on tape saying something that offends half the electorate, and showing up on a Latino talk show 10x his normal tan. Intentional, or not, Mitt Romney is such an akward human being. His campaign is priceless for the pure hilarity. Sadly he refuses to restaff as he thinks things are fine, then again more than half of this is his own fault.

I would totally watch that show:

Jerry: Chris Christie
Kramer: Mitt Romney
George: Karl Rove
Elaine: Nikki Haley
Newman: Barney Frank

 

[Atom Ant]

Right because republicans are the only ones who do wrong and anything the democrats are accused of is some made-up hokeum to make them look like the less than perfect people they are. Newsflash - http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-is-a-proven-election-manipulation-tactic and http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA635.html - here's even more cases of democrats doing the same thing. Sorry to break your rose-tinted glasses. We could play this post-a-link-to-support-your-view game all day. Step away from the crack pipe. Bottom line, just because you can show some case of Republican-based wrongdoing doesn't mean that there isn't a real reason voter IDs should be required. Just because you perceive they might somehow hurt your constituency makes you blind to the overall benefit of requiring this in the longrun. Stop letting your party bias keep you from seeing that this is just as necessary as requiring a passport to cross borders. Oh that's right, your party doesn't support that either!

Voter ID's won't affect absentee ballot stuffing by campaigns or election officials. And no one said there was no fraud at all going on. I said there was no IN-PERSON fraud going on at the polls,you know, the "problem" that these I.D.'s are supposed to fix.
You know if someone used a registered voters name and they marked it off the list and then the real person tried to vote then that would be a problem. and you'd know about it.

and Hans von Spakovsky is a partisan hack who had to withdraw his name from a nomination because of his involvement in the Bush/Gonzales US attorney debacle where they tried to force US Attorneys to bring fake charges against candidates just before an election. That and he pretty much gutted the civil rights division of the DoJ replacing them with partisan hacks.

Oh and please stop with the personal attacks and name calling.

 

[Spider - Man]

Voter ID's won't affect absentee ballot stuffing by campaigns or election officials. And no one said there was no fraud at all going on. I said there was no IN-PERSON fraud going on at the polls,you know, the "problem" that these I.D.'s are supposed to fix.
You know if someone used a registered voters name and they marked it off the list and then the real person tried to vote then that would be a problem. and you'd know about it.

and Hans von Spakovsky is a partisan hack who had to withdraw his name from a nomination because of his involvement in the Bush/Gonzales US attorney debacle where they tried to force US Attorneys to bring fake charges against candidates just before an election. That and he pretty much gutted the civil rights division of the DoJ replacing them with partisan hacks.

Oh and please stop with the personal attacks and name calling.

So to you, it is ok if someone shows up to vote who is casting a vote for someone else as long as that vote only gets counted once? It doesn't really matter who casts it?

 

[dnno1]

You two guys have been posting links that do not address the issue. Election fraud is not exactly the same as in-person voter fraud, and requiring persons to show ID has nothing to do with a person stuffing the ballot box with absentee cards or a person counting the votes at home on their (unsecured) laptop computer. In-person voter fraud is very rare and it is unconstitutional to require a person to spend money to comply with any law that would require them to show ID to vote. It would be a different story if the ID card is issued at no expense to the voter.

 

[Spider - Man]

You two guys have been posting links that do not address the issue. Election fraud is not exactly the same as in-person voter fraud, and requiring persons to show ID has nothing to do with a person stuffing the ballot box with absentee cards or a person counting the votes at home on their (unsecured) laptop computer. In-person voter fraud is very rare and it is unconstitutional to require a person to spend money to comply with any law that would require them to show ID to vote. It would be a different story if the ID card is issued at no expense to the voter.

I was just playing the 'immature' game with him. Of course it ddn;t have anything to do directly with voter ID.

The biggest reason I could think of to require ID is to keep illegals from voting but as an illegal can somehow get a legal drivers license, that point is moot.

Main point: the major reason anyone defends not having to get an ID to vote is due to the perceived benefit to their political party. If there were at any time a change in the perception of which party would benefit from the requirement of ID to vote, you guys would do a one-eighty so fast your necks would snap.

 

[Kelly]

Only in your opinion. But there are people out there that will be denied voting because of a partisan plan to make it as difficult as they legally can to improve their own chances at the polls.
because let's face it. the "shoe" is the fact that the more people who turn out the better the chances are for Democrats. The "shoe" is the fact that the GOP are on the way out. Their voter base is older and dwindling. as long as they continue to offend and marginalize poor people and minorities it will continue to be so. The "shoe" is that they're afraid they can't win without cheating.

How is the fact that states are addressing all of the questions on how will these people get the ID, pay for it, etc....my opinion?

My opinion is that everyone should carry a form of picture ID....that is an opinion....

The other is that the states are addressing the questions brought up by opponents saying that it is too hard for some to get the ID, pay for it, etc....that is a FACT, they are addressing those issues....they are looking at transportation, voter drives at churches, low cost and even free ID's etc...those ARE the issues that have been brought up here....that is fact as well.

 

[souvlaki]

I know this is kind of petty but how do people like this graduate from college, let alone get nominated for President of the United States?

Romney’s wife, Ann, was in attendance, and the candidate spoke of the concern he had for her when her plane had to make an emergency landing Friday en route to Santa Monica because of an electrical malfunction.

“I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney said. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she’s safe and sound.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-beverly-hills-fundraiser-20120922,0,2317962.story

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, because we know there are 57 states....right? there are 57??? right???????

No???? there's not?????

 

[souvlaki]

Yeah, because we know there are 57 states....right? there are 57??? right???????

No???? there's not?????

Do you honestly for a second believe Obama ever did not know how many states there were? On the other hand it's pretty clear just by reading what he's saying Romney really does not know why you can't open a window on an airplane. There is a huge difference between making a simple mistake because of lack of sleep or whatever (and I really don't think you or anyone that brings up that gaffe truly believes Obama doesn't know that) and being completely ignorant about basic science.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Guys, c'mon, now you're just being petty.