The Official "Nova" Comic Book Discussion Thread

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Yeah, but DnA write a whole s***load of stuff and minis are often written well in advance of their publication. The fact that they're working on other stuff doesn't rule out a possible cosmic ongoing post-Thanos Imperative.

True. Just for now, the only post-Thanos Imperative cosmic comic is the ROCKET & GROOT mini, which seems like it is one of those "because we can" madcap comics like Pet Avengers, commissioned because it'll be fun, not sell well.

Never forget :cmad:

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I haven't.
 
If the Nova book ends and/or Nova fades off into obscurity before the Tarcel business is resolved, I'll seriously write an e-mail. Not an angry one, but a creepy ominous one about how I haven't forgotten :p
 
Given that Tarcel was seemingly saved by a revived Super-Nova, it could be possible that he somehow came from the Cancerverse to recruit Tarcel, despite the fact that the Fault had yet to be torn open by the end of WAR OF KINGS. But that's just me stretching. Who knows what is going on there. Maybe the Nova Force is like the Speed Force and a prior user shows up to greet the dead. Hopefully it is resolved. But I'd just like to see Richard lead the rest of the Corps again. They've had a spit and cough cameo in IMPERATIVE so far, but that's it.
 

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Just notice this on the November solicitations :o

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I Am An Avenger #3 - Written by Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning, Sean McKeever, Marc Sumerak & Lucy Knisley, pencils by Todd Nauck, Mike Mayhew, Antonio Fuso & Lucy Knisley with cover by Phil Noto.

Cosmically charged super scribes Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning take Nova for a spin, planet-side! Now a full-fledged Avenger, the Human Rocket teams up with the Amazing Spider-Man to thwart...a bank robbery?Exes Firestar and Justice discover they have unfinished business to contend with - not only with each other, but with the Avengers, too!
Stingray learns that the new Heroic Age doesn't mean a perfect world... even in paradise! And Tony Stark learns not to mess with teenaged angst, especially when its "Stature"-esque in scale!

Rated T+ - 32 pgs./$3.99 - On Sale November 10th
 
Awful lot of New Warriors on that cover. :up:

Did the New Warriors have a decent book, were they a good team? I only really know them from Civil War, and considering I know how that protrayed Iron Man, I'm pretty sure that's probably doing them an injustice.
 
It really, really did. They were a pretty solid team. Certainly not the rank amateurs Civil War presented them as, especially people like Speedball and Namorita, who were there from the very beginning.
 
I really like the individual members I've read about - Nova in his own book and in the various space sagas, Justice in the various Avengers books (Avengers, The Initiative, now Academy), Firestar way back in New Mutants - but I've never read them functioning as an actual team. I might look up some back issues or trades and see what I think.
 
There's an arc from around the middle of their '90s series that featured some kind of gang or something putting out hits on the families of the individual Warriors. That was my favorite arc from the series. It was drawn by Darick Robertson, who is now better known for Garth Ennis' The Boys.

There was also the whole drama with Justice (then Marvel Boy) accidentally killing his own father after his father abused him and serving jail time for it. Later on, they had some other recognizable characters join too, like Alex Power (the older brother of Power Pack) and even the Scarlet Spider for a while.
 
What is amazing about that I AM AN AVENGER cover is that both Firestar and Justice are in their George Perez costumes, and neither have worn those in years. Heck, both of them are in ongoing titles right now - Firestar in YOUNG ALLIES and Justice in AVENGERS ACADEMY - and neither are wearing those outfits. Is it just one of those "creative license" covers, or more?

The New Warriors, ideally, would have been Marvel's more modern stab at a Teen Titans franchise. When they debuted in 1990, they took several younger characters who'd floated around the books for years, and attached them a newer one, and had them be a team. Namorita was Namor's cousin and sidekick. Justice, then known as Marvel Boy, had a future self in Major Victory from GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY and had hung around the Thing for a bit. Speedball was a creation of Steve Ditko coming off his own series. And Nova, or "Kid Nova" was coming off guest-starring in the FF for a bit. Their first volume ran for 75 issues, which is a very long run.

Why has the franchise struggled since? My argument is they've never been relaunched properly to cater to their strengths. About 1-2 years after the first volume ended, Marvel launched a second, around 1999 or so. The problem was the characters who returned got some horrendous costume designs - so poor that a few issues in, the editor on the letters page had to practically BEG that no more letters about how bad the outfits were would be printed or considered. It also took about 8 issues for a regular artist to stick around - and the series only lasted 11 issues (with an issue zero). It was one of the first major writing assignments from Jay Faerber, and let's say his best stuff came after.

After the 21st century, Marvel has basically become convinced the Warriors cannot sell, while never trying to sell them as the New Warriors. Zeb Wells & Scottie Young did a NEW WARRIORS mini series, but aside for the fact that it starred Nova, Night-Thrasher, Speedball, and Namorita, it had nothing to do with the NW as a franchise. It was a series about reality TV superheroes trying to fight crime and stick around on network TV. It was riding the Reality TV craze of the time, a craze that was better captured in comic form by Image's WILDGUARD. Young's artwork was awkward (at best), and it wasn't a success. Of course, CIVIL WAR gave the team a lot of exposure - and proceeded to kill half of the founders while branding them as the laughing stock of the Marvel Universe. Speedball would end up surviving, but would become so twisted as Penance that his entire character was destroyed, and even a great writer like Christos Gage is apparently forced to do a "slow road to recovery" to redeem him rather than a sharp 180. The only New Warriors characters who have flourished have been the ones who have remained apart in their own areas, like Nova in space and Justice in side Avengers material, and recently Firestar in...anything else.

When Marvel did finally decide to give the NW another ongoing series, they chose instead to again not make it about the actual team and the characters people loved. For a while, it was hard to figure out WHAT it was about, as it took many issues to even fully introduce the cast. It was a series about several depowered former X-Men being offered hi-tech costumes and training in order to be a new superhero team, which happened to take on the name New Warriors. The only connection was that Night Thrasher's brother Bandit had taken over the mantle and was basically using the team in a mad gambit to try to resurrect his brother. It was a task that failed, and left at least two of the new team dead, and the rest discouraged. The most noteworthy character on the book, Jubilee, has now returned to the X-office and her time as a New Warrior may as well have been one of Dan Slott's alternate reality tourists from SHE-HULK. Much like with Speedball, it took Christos Gage on AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE to try to fix this dilemma, by having the new Thrasher basically re-assemble what was left of the "Old Warriors" and hang around Justice on the outskirts of the book for a while, fighting to uncover the Initiative's corruption (especially when Osborn took it over). Issues that didn't star Taskmaster were basically New Warriors issues in all but name, as it had so many NW characters in it, such as Justice, Rage, Ultra-Girl, Slapstick, and even Debrii (a newer character from the reality TV series).

Marvel does this with a lot of second and third tier franchises - insists that no one likes them and they don't have enough fans to support a title, yet when a relaunch is attempted, rather than cater it to the strengths of the franchise to specifically cater to what fans used to love, often those relaunches are used to promote some wonky new idea, and an old franchise's name is just stuck on due to fear of doing something new. Namor's had a few of those bizarre relaunches that little to do with what makes a Namor book work, and Dr. Strange has been a close second. For every IMMORTAL IRON FIST, Marvel has about two or three botched relaunches. It's like when Michael Jordon decided to play baseball - you don't cater to your strength, and quality suffers.

The last major development in the Firestar & Justice saga was in another anthology one shot - I HEART MARVEL: MASKED INTENTIONS, from 2006 just months before Civil War, when the two called off their engagement. Now Justice's rebounded with Ultra-Girl while Firestar's gotten and beaten cancer, and ran around ripping off SEX AND THE CITY with her gal-pals Pulsar, Black Cat, and Hellcat. While Justice has been part of the Avengers staff for a while, Firestar is part of the informal Young Allies.

Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning are likely writing the Nova story in that anthology, and I'd imagine Sean McKeever, who writes YOUNG ALLIES as well as the last FIRESTAR one shot that came out, will pen the Firestar/Justice story. As to what the future holds for the New Warriors, it's up in the air.
 
Personally, I much prefer that costume to Firestorm's boring "classic" costume. That Justice costume reminds me too much of Nightwing's early disco costumes, though.
 
Personally, I much prefer that costume to Firestorm's boring "classic" costume. That Justice costume reminds me too much of Nightwing's early disco costumes, though.

FireSTAR. Firestorm is someone else. :awesome:

Justice is one of those characters who I'd say has never really had a "good" costume, just some costumes that were less bad than others. The look he's worn in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE and AVENGERS ACADEMY is probably his best one. Firestar's classic look seems inspired from Spitfire, which can be confusing when they both are active now. The problem with Perez's design was the exposed bust that shows cleavage down to her navel, and the silly "painted on mask" that makes her look like a wrestler.
 
Whatever, there are too many characters with "fire" in their stupid names. :cmad:

As for Vance, I liked this costume:

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The star emblem feels really random on him. I associate that more with his astronaut/patriot alternate universe self, Major Victory.
 
Major Victory was inspired by Captain America, hence the star emblem, using his shield, and I believe he even named his spaceship at one point, "the Captain America".

That costume's too "busy" for me. It has four colors, a complicated design, and a lot of triangles. It reminds me of something worn for the Triune Understanding.

I wonder why Justice is a fan of the "non-mask" from the 90's. Only he and Gambit still bother with that sort of thing. Havok at times too.

Justice's problem, I think, is that while he's a cool character, his codename and many of his costume designs have simply screamed, "generic superhero" for my tastes. Some of his more original looks were among the most gaudy from the 90's. I didn't mind the Marvel Boy look to a degree, but I understand why he'd outgrow it. I've gotten used to the suit he's dusted off since Civil War and still wears, and it's probably among his better outfits.
 
Man, I LOVED New Warriors. The arc that Corp mentioned with the gang was my introduction to the book (and it crossed over with issue #1 of Night Thrasher) and I loved it off and on since. I finally got ahold of almost the entire run and have read most of it in order and it really was a great book. It was just a little hokey the first couple of issues but it was fantastic after that. And the Night Thrasher ongoing was also good. Nova's book was okay but NOTHING like his modern title.

My recommendation for New Warriors would be issues 7-9 where Night Thrasher took on Punisher, Issue 37-39 and Night Thrasher 1 which is the gang story Corp mentioned, and 40-43 & Nova 1 with Nova & New Warriors vs Super Nova (Nova 1 was a bit of an aftermath). Those were my favorite storylines though there were a bunch of other good ones.

I never got around to reading the follow up. I'll get to it eventually.
 
Marvel released two trades of NEW WARRIORS CLASSIC that, collectively, cover NW #1-10, their first annual, and their initial appearance in THOR #411-412 (along with their crossover appearances in NEW MUTANTS ANNUAL #7, UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #15 and X-FACTOR ANNUAL #6). Back then, Marvel usually tried to make the annuals "count" by having them all cross over, such as for the ATLANTIS ATTACKS story. That's been it since last year for volume one NW reprints, though.
 
The New Warriors: yet another fine innovation brought to you by Thor. :thor:
Thor was everywhere back then. If I'm not mistaken he was a MAJOR player in the Epic X-tastic crossover: Mutant Massacre...

OK, I'm bored. And I am seriously sad to see this thread so far back in the pages. Nova deserves to keep going. Really. There's so much you can do with him, he could be the more cosmic-tethered character who links Cosmic Marvel to Regular Marvel in much the same way as how the FF is a regular Marvel-tethered team that does vice versa.

I was clearing my junk (giving away my old comics) and I noticed that Nova is essentially the first title I've read from start to finish. And I've enjoyed it. Sure I had my gripes about how Richie always seemed to never go crazy with his powers or how he was fighting some other disembodied foe in one story of another (Transmode virus, Abyss, Harrow,Worldmind) but the stories worked!

Hell, DnA used Nova to reintroduce great old characters like Warlock (the New Mutants one) and Starstalker (granted, I have no idea who he was). Nova was great!

And let's face it, after the Secret Avengers thing, I'm fairly certain now that No one can give Richie the same justice that DnA can. Richard wasn't Uber in his own title, he was a fairly balanced character who came into his own. The Nova title was essentially DnA saving Richie from a very very long Rookie stint to full blown hero and they did it well.

And by God. I want them to keep doing it.
 
Hopefully there'll be something after The Thanos Imperative ends. I really don't want to see the cosmic line just disappear in one fell swoop. :csad:
 
Yeah...to their infinite credit, DnA are doing their best to let Marvel Cosmic got out with a bang rather than a whimper. Its funny cause by the end of Annihilation, most of us considered Marvel Cosmic to be Giffen's baby and when DnA came with Conquest, most of us weren't really taken aback from that event sans the intelligent use of the Phalanx, Ultron and of course the beginning of the Guardians.

Then came War of Kings which I still hold in high regard as the best marriage of Marvel Cosmic ever, tying up loose ends from Secret Invasion, X-Men and Conquest into one awesome saga which I think ended epically (left you wondering, who was the bigger monster: Vulcan or Black Bolt) and while Realm of Kings did last shortly, it got us Namorita back.

I really really hate to see this title go.
 
I'm just eager for Thanos Imperative to end to see if anything is coming next. I'm not that impressed with Imperative so I'm hoping there's plans for Nova and the Guardians after this is all over but I don't know. I'm not expecting more than some minis.
 
Yeah, for a story that sounded so awesome on paper, The Thanos Imperative's actual issues haven't really impressed me too much. I mean, this thing sounded absolutely epic the way it was hyped: The very forces of life and death clashing via their respective avatars to decide the fate of two universes! But in reality, we get the Guardians sneaking around with Thanos and hiding in dark rooms while Nova gets his ass kicked by evil Mar-Vell. I'm not getting the scope they promised from the actual story.
 
Yeah a lot of people give credit to DnA for redefining Marvel Cosmic when really it was Giffen.

I don't think anything's had the Heavy Mettle innovative feel since the original anny..and I thought Rich was at his best there.

DnA were certainly involved, and did a good job with Rich, but I havnt loved all the arcs since, i thought the book lost a lot of the feel of annhilation.
 
See, thats the thing about DnA: they try to keep things fair. If Nova were as powerful as he was is Annihilation, there wouldn't be much intrigue and excitement in the fight. I like how they make every fight for Richie cutting the fine line because honestly, as powerful as Richie is, I don't want to see him mop the floor with his villains all the time.

And DnA haven't resorted to making Richie look good at the expense of other characters (Brubaker, I'm talking about you). They've kept it fair all they can, giving a slow build-up to the finale (as they did in WoK).
 
I think DnA ended up doing far better with Rich than Giffen ever did in the end, personally. Giffen basically wrote Rich as a totally different character during the Annihilation War, but DnA managed to bring him back to himself a lot and strike a great balance between his hardened vet persona and his original one.
 
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