The Official Sinestro Corps Thread

[Darthphere]

did u like it? (pretend GAH cant see this)

Let me put it this way, I didn't love it.

 

[Assassin]

doesnt suprise me. If some one else wrote it, you would be masterbating all over your copy.

 

[Darthphere]

doesnt suprise me. If some one else wrote it, you would be masterbating all over your copy.

Not really. I'm not even interested in the Marz and Gibbons portions of this. I just find the whole concept to be kind of lame.

 

[Assassin]

Amazons attack is lamer.

Lame x 100

 

[Darthphere]

Amazons attack is lamer.

Lame x 100

Indeed my young apprentice.

 

[Assassin]

I didnt even buy teen titans, dude, i own every single issue, even Liefield/simone, but i'm not giving my money up like this any more

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Amazons attack is lamer.

Lame x 100

That's like comparing a dinner of dog food to a dinner of dog turds. The Sinestro Corps is readable, at least. Amazons Attack has just been awful from start to... well, where we are now, since it isn't finished yet.

Not really. I'm not even interested in the Marz and Gibbons portions of this. I just find the whole concept to be kind of lame.

I like the concept, if not so much the name. I just don't like a few of the major elements of it. Still, if anyone can make it work, it's Gibbons. Marz might be able to pull his bits off too, and maybe even give us some compelling stuff with Kyle, since he knows him better than anyone. I've given up on Johns.

 

[yahman]

Hank Henshaw's an evil Superman. Superboy Prime is just a whiny emo punk.

I cant believe that you discriminating a comic book character for being 'socially ******ed'. The Irony ! <br><br>

 

[Assassin]

but superboy prime, antimonitor and cyborg superman? you know a big "crisis" like brawl. And they dont even have Ion. Maybe some one else will be his host?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be funny if Guy got it. Imagine him in the position of the Corps' "angel."

 

[Assassin]

they way the whole corps is talking **** about John and Hal, i think one of them will get it

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe John will, in an effort to get people to start giving a damn about him again.

 

[Assassin]

I wanna see the Ion Dolphin fight the Paralex cockroach

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ion would win. It's a ****ing cosmic whale. Did Star Trek IV teach you nothing?

 

[Assassin]

eww start trek :

 

[TheCorpulent1]

eww start trek :

No thanks, I just finished a trek this morning.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

Let me put it this way, I didn't love it.

yeah you did and i bet you'll still be reading the next few issues.

That's like comparing a dinner of dog food to a dinner of dog turds. The Sinestro Corps is readable, at least. Amazons Attack has just been awful from start to... well, where we are now, since it isn't finished yet.

I like the concept, if not so much the name. I just don't like a few of the major elements of it. Still, if anyone can make it work, it's Gibbons. Marz might be able to pull his bits off too, and maybe even give us some compelling stuff with Kyle, since he knows him better than anyone. I've given up on Johns.

You've stopped reading JSA? stop being a ****** and read the entire damn story arc. then come to your conclusion.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps Special #1
Writer: Geoff Johns
Artist: Ethan Van Sciver and Dave Gibbons
From: DC
Review by J. Caleb Mozzocco

And here I thought I was getting sick and tired of big superhero crossover stories. As it turns out I was just getting sick of bad superhero crossover stories.

With this oversized special, Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver fulfill the potential they showed in their miniseries Green Lantern: Rebirth, picking up pretty much right where they left off there, with the story continuing events and plot points introduced there (some of them a tad awkwardly, like the part about Hal&#8217;s slide into madness just being a giant space monster all along), as well as ones Johns seeded into his own Green Lantern and Infinite Crisis, and ones that were left for the taking in Ion, &#8220;Reign of the Supermen,&#8221; and&#8230;well, I don&#8217;t want to spoil it, but suffice it to say Johns ties what seems from the cover to be just another Green Lantern story into some of the biggest events of the DCU, stretching all the way back to the biggest. Hell, all the way back to the Silver Age (in the Dave Gibbons drawn &#8220;Tales of the Sinestro Corps&#8221; back-up).

This is really Geoff Johns at his most Geoff Johns-iest, and the traits people love and loathe about his work are both on full display here, from the subtle, background radiation of hero worship that emits from his writing, to some pretty shocking violence, to his knowledge of DC history past and present and ability to hammer it all into a story that makes perfect sense and, of course, the Johns-patented &#8220;Oh @#$%!&#8221; moment, with the last page &#8220;Oh @#$%!&#8221; reveal being the biggest in Johns&#8217; career of such reveals. I and everyone with an Internet connection were expecting some of the heavies shown aligned on that last page, but man, one of them was a complete surprise to me, and was frankly more surprising to me than anything I saw in Infinite Crisis.

Not only is Geoff Johns at his most Geoff Johns-iest, he&#8217;s also at his best. He&#8217;s a writer who&#8217;s popularity has assured him love him or hate him status among fandom, but honesty, he&#8217;s done some really great work and some really awful work in his time at DC.

Well, this is the good stuff, which honestly caught me a little off guard, considering just last week I finished reading a fairly nonsensical five-part storyline that he co-wrote.

The Sinestro Corps? That&#8217;s an idea that seems so obvious now that it&#8217;s pretty amazing no one thought of it before, and Johns ingrains it in a mythology of his own making&#8212;the Parallax and Ion entities, the GLC as peacekeeping space army with a precinct-house feel&#8212;and one slowly built up by many writers over many years. Simply put, this is superhero universe writing at it&#8217;s very best (and, as someone who hated &#8220;The Lightning Saga&#8221; and &#8220;Titans East&#8221; and has been less than impressed with much of Johns&#8217; more recent Green Lantern issues, I hope that carries a little more weight than it would coming from Johns&#8217; biggest fan).

As for Van Sciver&#8217;s contribution, it&#8217;s as strong as it was in Rebirth, if not stronger. His attention to detail is pretty amazing, especially considering that he doesn&#8217;t tend towards photorealism in the same way that a lot of similarly detailed (and slow) artists do, but brings all those little lines and baroque details to serve a style.

Just as he individualized the various energy signatures of the Lanterns in Rebirth, he finds new ways to bring a sense of otherworldly grandeur to the characters, and define them through the little things. His Reverse Flash, for example, is followed by a trail of skeletal after images, and when he punches Superman, he brings forty different drawings of himself doing it with him. There&#8217;s an awful lot of thought put into every single line and every single design, and it makes the book seem even more important than anything in the script.

There are plenty of big moments, each signaled by a splash page, or double-page spread or, in a few cases, sideways double-page spreads, and in each Van Sciver shows he knows how to use a splash right&#8212;not to waste space and get out of drawing more panels, but to go into a detail you can&#8217;t fit in a nine-panel grid.

Pages 26 and 27 are probably the best of the lot, even better than that last page reveal. This is the spread where Kyle Rayner stumbles upon most of the Sinestro Corps assembled in a canyon listening to Sinestro give a speech (oh, and props to anyone who can make a pink guy with a receding hairline and pencil thin moustache look scary) and man, you could lose yourself studying the scary aliens assembled. I almost want these guys to win just because so many of them are so cool looking that I want to know their stories and see more of them.

The opening of a crossover is the easy part, of course (I certainly liked both Infinite Crisis and Civil War #1 better than #7), and it remains to be seen where this goes, but so far we&#8217;ve got near-perfect art and a near-perfect superhero script, and it doesn&#8217;t get much better than that.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:11 PM #2
Scarlet Mage


I'll pass. Too many memories of Sinestro as a joke and Star Sapphire as some kind of space STD did me in. Email me when we start going through the cycle of changing leads and formats the Green Lantern book always runs through. Maybe I'll try the series again then.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:12 PM #3
Boston Brand


Ethan Van Sciver and Geoff Johns are an incredible team.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:14 PM #4
KyleCowstar


I loved it, but I hope Kyle becomes unpossessed soon. Best Johns work since before Infinite Crisis.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:14 PM #5
Grievous


Im glad this issue is getting so much attention

it's a testement to the efforts and talents that is ethan van sciver and Geoff johns.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:16 PM #6
Zechs


This issue has so lived up to the hype and I can't wait to see what happens next in GL. As Johns had Hal say it best GL now is on a level of "Star Wars mixed in with the X-Files".
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:16 PM #7
Gladiator X


Man! This just sounds better each time I read about it!

Can't wait fer my shipment o' comics next week.This is definitely the first book I'm reading!
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:19 PM #8
The Holy Cow


Great story and beautifull art, what more can we ask ? Oh yeah, that guy at the end, he made me buy the book (I'm not a big Green lantern fan, so I didn't want to buy the book at first).
Can't wait for more
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:22 PM #9
prolix


3 Cheers!
I, for one, am thrilled. I come to GL by way of Gil Kane and not a die-hard affection for the Corps. HOWEVER, careful structuring of the return of Hal and equally careful restructuring of the mythos makes the Lantern books must-reads.

Johns and Scrivner are adding the next logical puzzle piece here. If only the rest of the DCU was so carefully thought out...
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:23 PM #10
Squashua


One of the best GL issues I've read in a long time.

So... spectrum speculation.

I don't recall how many pedestals there were in the Star Sapphire lair, but we've got the colors of the spectrum represented as emotional living entities and here's my speculation:


Black: Anti-Life Equation
Red: Star Sapphire
Orange: Firestorm
Yellow: Sinestro Corps
Green: Green Lantern Corps
Blue: Blue Beetle / The Reach
Indigo: ?
Violet: Eclipso
White: The Source

Possessive entities. I'd like to fit "The Spectre" in there somewhere.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:31 PM #11
Tan K.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlet Mage
I'll pass. Too many memories of Sinestro as a joke and Star Sapphire as some kind of space STD did me in. Email me when we start going through the cycle of changing leads and formats the Green Lantern book always runs through. Maybe I'll try the series again then.
No jokes about any of these. Somebody said this in another post elsewhere. You actually feel "fear" while reading this. This initial installment is a much read and not a let down at all.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:31 PM #12
calvin!


yeah, this was pretty much the best issue i think i have read in a while. it was loaded with development and picked up those story lines from past mini's well, not to mention this "blackest night" prophecy and the Guardians secret with 52 being revealed. They way that they tied it all together with that last page just seemed brilliant, and made perfect sense.

Yeah this is awesome.

So is this just playing out in the core Lantern books, and that's it? Or do we know if this is eventually supposed to spill into Countdown at all?
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:43 PM #13
leahcim


It was the best book out this week without a doubt! But....Wonder Woman's top was drawn wrong! There is supposed to be an eagle in the design..le sigh...
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:46 PM #14
Jack Burton


With this issue Johns fulfills the hype he came into GL with. His Flash run was amazing but I haven't been overly wowed by his GL stuff. It was good but something was...missing. But now I can not wait to see what's next!
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:56 PM #15
atanamar


Wow
Honestly, one of the most exciting comics I've read in ages. I'm loving Green Lantern and the Corp, and just wow.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:59 PM #16
E-fect


Thumbs up
Amazing! A story that definitely lived up (Okay! Surpassed!) expectations.
You really get the sense (especially with that last page shocker) that the GL corps will have an uphill battle and can't help but to come out of this event changed in so many ways.

Gotta agree with the other post about feeling the "fear" in this issue. Hated seeing poor Kyle broken down like that, but brilliant in its execution. You get the sense that Sinestro has planned for every contingency this time. Certainly not the sniveling "Super Friends" pink guy this time.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:00 PM #17
rdrsfn82


This book was amazing. The art was incredible and the opening monologue and the backup tale of Sinestro placed him in a very interesting light. Also the "sniper" fight was very very cool. I can't wait for this story to start playing out in the two GL books.

Also Kyle's fears were very well handled and I can't wait to see where that story goes.

Lots of good books yesterday but this one blew them all away.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:02 PM #18
rdrsfn82


Oh yeah I forgot to mention the other awesome little scene, about a dozen rings all going to find new hosts while the main GLs looked on. Awesome scene that in some ways reminded me of the later scenes in Flash last week showing people's reactions.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:11 PM #19
Kolimar


Thumbs up
Good review for an excellent comic.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:11 PM #20
R A Renteria


Thunderbolts was my favorite comic of the week until I read this issue. One of the best stories to come out of the DCU in quite awhile.

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Old 06-28-2007, 01:11 PM #21
R A Renteria


Thunderbolts was my favorite comic of the week until I read this issue. One of the best stories to come out of the DCU in quite awhile.

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Old 06-28-2007, 01:12 PM #22
the2scoops


A great kick-off. I definitely got the sense of "Wow. The GLs and the rest of the DCU are completely F'ed." So much good stuff worked in this issue.

I'm impressed by the plot threads picked up on in the back-up in this issue too. I don't know why it didn't occur to me that if Sinestro was exiled to Qward, he would have bumped into you-know-who.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:13 PM #23
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Certainly not the sniveling "Super Friends" pink guy this time.

Usually when I read Sinestro, I still hear that guy's voice from Super Friends. This time... not so much.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:13 PM #24
Andre MOP


Best Superhero issue of the year. Hands down.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:16 PM #25
SpyGuy


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Originally Posted by KyleCowstar
I loved it, but I hope Kyle becomes unpossessed soon. Best Johns work since before Infinite Crisis.

Yeah, I wasn't wild about Kyle becoming Parallax II either. It seemed like Sinestro was moustache-twirling a bit and going "Myah! Since you scarred my back with your ring, Alley Rat, I've decided to make you evil like me! Myah! Myah!"

Loved the rest of the Special, though, and the last-page reveal was big enough to more than justify the hype.




off of newsarama. great issue all aorund.

 

[Darthphere]

yeah you did and i bet you'll still be reading the next few issues.

Someone needs to tell you it's crap.

 

[shapeshifter]

Someone needs to tell you it's crap.

its crap.

 

[RockSP]

His Reverse Flash, for example, is followed by a trail of skeletal after images, and when he punches Superman, he brings forty different drawings of himself doing it with him.

This was the wtf moment for me in the book. He punches Batman a billion times and then punches Superman a billion times. Bats is up and about like nothing happened. Was he pulling his punches realizing he couldn't do any permanent damage to DC's cashcow or something? Did Bats have on his Reverse Flash proof longjohns?

 

[shapeshifter]

This was the wtf moment for me in the book. He punches Batman a billion times and then punches Superman a billion times. Bats is up and about like nothing happened. Was he pulling his punches realizing he couldn't do any permanent damage to DC's cashcow or something? Did Bats have on his Reverse Flash proof longjohns?

naw he's just batman.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

This was the wtf moment for me in the book. He punches Batman a billion times and then punches Superman a billion times. Bats is up and about like nothing happened. Was he pulling his punches realizing he couldn't do any permanent damage to DC's cashcow or something? Did Bats have on his Reverse Flash proof longjohns?

the ****?! i don't even remember saying that

 

[Hush]

Is Kyle going bad? If so why? IS he not going to be ION anymore? If so that is just dumb.

 

[BrianWilly]

OK, can we dispense with the nerdly overstatement? If you really got that worked up over this comic book, you need a therapist.

Well technically, "being numb to" something is the exact opposite of "getting worked up" over something. So I guess I don't need a therapist after all! For your effort however, you get a cookie.

Which is basically the exact same thing as a death in the family. I know when my grandmother died, I actually wished I WOULD have just been taken into an alley and raped in every hole until I passed out from blood loss, instead of suffering a death in the family.

I'm almost completely certain my point had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

He's right, people! And I, for one, think it's about TIME someone stood up on this issue! There is NO better argument for eugenics than people who disagree with my opinion on a comic book! At the point where a man likes the Sinestro Corps Special, he is really no better than Hitler. Worse, probably. It's one thing to murder 12 million people, but it's quite another to think Geoff Johns did a decent job on this issue.

No, you don't deserve castration if you think Geoff Johns did a decent job. You only deserve castration if you're happy about Kyle getting fcked out of some sense of payback for Hal getting fcked fifteen or so years ago.

Pay attention! Geez.

I, for one, was not COMPLETELY satisfied with the way the GLs were distributed. I thought Kyle should have had the League. So I have to disagree with you that it was fine. Does that mean I need to castrate myself now?

Will you actually do it if I say yes?

It's interesting that you describe EVERYTHING about the book as a great idea, and then one thing that happens at the end, suddenly turns the whole thing into a train wreck. I think I agree with you about which stuff was good and interesting, and which stuff was potentially bad, but to me, when everything about a book is great except for one part of it, I call that a pretty good book. Apparently, for you, when everything about a book is great except for one part of it, it's a horrible trainwreck whose fans deserve castration.

You're really worried about the castration thing, aren't you?

Several tiny good things about a book doesn't make up for a gargantuan shtstain of horrifying bullsht shock value sht. It's all about proportions.

Oh come on! How many times have we seen temporarily evil heroes, via mind-control, or body-switching, or whathaveyou. Those are now hailed as CLASSICS! But this, if it's temporary, is just another bull**** shock-value ploy.

Yes, characters getting fcked up the ass with a rusty pipe is okay as long as it's temporary and will soon be hailed as classics!

Y'know how when Spider-Man changed sides during the end of Civil War, everyone was like "YAY Spidey! You go Spidey! You're doing the right thing now finally! YAY! You're getting your groove back!" like it was so cool how Spidey wasn't going through horrible character-mutilating bullsht anymore? Well, I wasn't one of those people! Y'know why? 'Cause he shouldn't have gone through character-mutilating bullsht in the first place! Why should I be glad when a writer "fixes" stupid, horrible things that have happened to a character when the writer was the one who implemented those stupid, horrible things at all?

I'm not going to judge the quality of this book based on what might happen in future books. That'd be stupid. "This idea is stupid, but it'll be fixed so it won't be stupid anymore"? That's stupid. The fact that someone might come along, maybe even the original writer, and "fix" the story and the character doesn't make the original story any less stupid. All it really means is that the original story should never have been done in the first place!

Y'know what? I defended Geoff Johns' "darkest before dawn" approach to Infinite Crisis because even when the world was going to hell and everything became horrible and nothing was going right, the characters still retained their essence as portrayed in the past -- for better or for worse -- and honored the core works of the characters. That is not what is happening here. Kyle has dealt with fear and death before. Kyle has dealt with the corruption of power many, many, many times before. He has dealt with his responsibilities and his flaws and his weaknesses to the point where fcking Dream of the Endless gave Kyle a testament of approval and acknowledgement of his strength. Hell, Kyle has even dealt with Parallax before, wherein GEOFF JOHNS HIMSELF wrote of Kyle's immunity towards the Parallax infection due to his recognition and control of fear. Geoff Johns himself wrote that. Why do you think I said, "Johns really should know better"? For shts and giggles? Because he really should know better! And now Geoff Johns himself is ignoring that in lieu of a hasty, obvious shock-value "LOL LET'S PUT KYLE THROUGH WHAT HAL WENT THROUGH" story to stir up needless attention for a story that hardly needs it. Yeah, guess what? Johns is getting exactly what he wants. He knew this was going to get negative attention from a lot of angles and he's counting on exactly that to sell this story. I expected that from lesser writers, but not from him.