Comics The Official Storm vs Jean thread

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ororo has fended the combined telepathic might of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle (the foremos psychic of the ENTIRE Shi'ar EMPIRE). There is absolutely no human/mutant/whatever without psychic powers that is more telepathy-resistant than her. Period. You can like it or dislike it, but it's FACT.

FACT, eh?

Mmm. If I recall correctly, it is also FACT that her victory over Cyke in UXM 201 was BS.

Something about canon aknowledging that Madelyne Pryor subconsciously manipulated him (threw his groove off, whatever) into loosing said battle, wasn't it?

 

[Valechan]

And that has to do with Ororo vs Jean because???

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And that has to do with Ororo vs Jean because???

Well, you spoke of FACT elevating 'Ro.

I mentioned another FACT not quite doing so.

That, and posting that in the Storm thread would've been a direct attack/insult even though there's been some Cyke bashing in there.

Here was the closest thing to neutral ground, I guess.

 

[Valechan]

Thing is, it is merely mentioned that Madelyne got her "wish" and her "wish" was for Cyclops to leave the X-Men. She still needed Storm to defeat him, what she might have done was merely to screw with Cyclops' mind and to make him less sure of himself in order to loose (it wouldn't be that difficult seeing like EVERY telepath has at least once screwed with his puny little willpowerless mind )

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Thing is, it is merely mentioned that Madelyne got her "wish" and her "wish" was for Cyclops to leave the X-Men. She still needed Storm to defeat him, what she might have done was merely to screw with Cyclops' mind and to make him less sure of himself in order to loose

So distracting him in the middle of a fight doesn't count as a severe tip of the balance???!!!

(it wouldn't be that difficult seeing like EVERY telepath has at least once screwed with his puny little willpowerless mind )

The funny part is that I recall Storm being brainwashed quite a few time back in the 80s before the 'willpower roxor for no reason' thingy took on.

But yeah, I'll be the first to admit Cyke's been broken by telepaths quite a few times. The whole story of his life is that while he keeps picking himself up like a cockroach, he never quite put the pieces back together. So, yeah, he used to be an easy target if said attacker knew which buttons to push.

Good thing Whedon finally decided to do something about it, eh.

 

[Valechan]

When has she been brainwashed? State issue numbers, for I cannot recall any.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

When has she been brainwashed? State issue numbers, for I cannot recall any.

Oh dear. Do you really think I remember EVERY issue of Storm being taken down? I told you, I don't HATE her. I just read about a couple of instances on profiles and bios.

Mmm.

Am leaving for my first class of the days in like 20 mins. Would have to get back to you on that in quite a bit.

 

[Valechan]

Do research then, because I DO remember EVERY Storm appearance and she has NEVER been brainwashed

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

When has she been brainwashed? State issue numbers, for I cannot recall any.

You know what, I'll waste a minute. This is what I recall. I'd have to track down the issues numbers.

X-Tinction agenda.

Her and Mags joining the Hellfire Club.

That Nanny robot screwed up her memories while reverting 'Ro to a child.

 

[Valechan]

X-Tinction Agenda, you mean the mutate process, since her memories where still there she wasn't truly "brainwashed", and I DOUBT any mutant can withstand said process.

Joining the HC? When is that considered brainwash? She joined of her own accord, thinking it was best for mutants to remain on the same side and eliminating a potential threat (do remember that during her time with them the HC never attacked the X-Men)

Nanny turned her into a child, changed her body completely, but guess what, it was her own indomitable will that eventually came to the surface and allowed her to remember everything.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I never said her "falling" during x-tinction was a shortcoming.

I did say it was from memory alone. Thought she'd been brainwashed into joining the Club. That one might be my bad.

I never said the childhood thingy lasted.

 

[Varient]

So distracting him in the middle of a fight doesn't count as a severe tip of the balance???!!!



The funny part is that I recall Storm being brainwashed quite a few time back in the 80s before the 'willpower roxor for no reason' thingy took on.

But yeah, I'll be the first to admit Cyke's been broken by telepaths quite a few times. The whole story of his life is that while he keeps picking himself up like a cockroach, he never quite put the pieces back together. So, yeah, he used to be an easy target if said attacker knew which buttons to push.

Good thing Whedon finally decided to do something about it, eh.

Twisted.
1. I recall a case where she was PHYSICALLY CHANGED in a process that was designed to reduce ANY MUTANT to a base slave template,... The process was to brainwashing what washing your feet is to washing and repainting a big-rig.

NO MUTANT WAS PROOF FROM THE PROCESS,.. but over time this "willpower thingy" of her's worked her thru it.

2. I recal a process that reduced her to 9- 12 years of age physically and twisted here TEMPORARALY to where she reverted to the mindset of being a thief. AGAIN THIS WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS MOSTLY PHYSICAL.

3. I recall countless times in Canon where someone tried to "brain wash her" AND IT NEVER WORKED.

So I'm honestly curious where you saw it,... THE CLOSEST was when EMMA SWAPPED BODIES WITH HER,.. and she STILL WHOOPED HER BEHIND.

(Panting)

 

[Nature's Rising]

And then people ask with a straight face - no less - why I think her powers sickly overpowered???

Too f****n funny.

What the hell's wrong with JUST flying, summoning hurricanes and frying people???

Just wanna ask, is your standard for 'power-levels' only apply to heroes and not villains? Because if you are just talking about being overpowered in general, I don't see you complaining about Magneto. Hello, gravity, control people's blood, tip the planet on its axis, wormholes...anything ring a bell?

And I agree with javon, I don't think it's being overpowered. Storm and Magnus are just those mutants born with this kind of gift. They say experience will make you gain your skills, these people have been trained to control their powers, but as they live their lives, they'll discover the extent of their mutant powers. Storm used to only generate her 'storms', but as she got more experience, she learned how to create other phenomenas and precipitation and learned fine motor control over like winds, for example, which she can use to separate the sound from a bar to a room, so that she can hear what her friend is talking and making small rainclouds to water a plant or wash someone's face.

Also as you can see, all Ororo's feats have always been based on her powers which is atmokinesis. People say she controls the weather blah blah, but any Storm fan would know that it's more about the manipulation of the phenomenas on the atmosphere she is in. So whether she is in space or in the bottom of the ocean, she weilds the power to create those energy outputs. Storm and Magnus have the abilities to wipe planets if they want to. It's not because they're overpowered, but because that is what their mutant powers are all about. And the only way writers cannot have them do this is, as said before, their choice not to do it.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just wanna ask, is your standard for 'power-levels' only apply to heroes and not villains? Because if you are just talking about being overpowered in general, I don't see you complaining about Magneto. Hello, gravity, control people's blood, tip the planet on its axis, wormholes...anything ring a bell?

Of course it only applies to heroes. Geez, the baddies have to fight whole TEAMS. Besides, haven't you watched Star Wars? Dark side pwnz.

And I agree with javon, I don't think it's being overpowered...
Storm and Magnus have the abilities to wipe planets if they want to.

This is some campy irony thing, right? Able to wipe planets and resist the most powerful telepaths in the world is NOT OVERPOWERED??

Jesus.

All right, about this.

In the the next issue of Astonishing, Cyclops gets to fend off a psychic assault launched by Xavier, Nova and Emma Frost. In the next issue, we learn that through sheer CONTROL he can now blast planets with his optic blasts.

Please. As if you wouldn't scream bulls***.

Hell, I would.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So I'm honestly curious where you saw it,... THE CLOSEST was when EMMA SWAPPED BODIES WITH HER,.. and she STILL WHOOPED HER BEHIND.

(Panting)

Well, if those don't count, I honestly can only remember when Emma knocked her, Peter and Wolvie out with a psychic attack in the original Hellfire arc...

My bad for assuming that writers would at least try to not exhibit such blatant arbitrary favoritism. I stand corrected.

 

[javon]

Damn, it's like you say it's because she's overpowered, then you say favoritism...make up your mind

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Damn, it's like you say it's because she's overpowered, then you say favoritism...make up your mind

You do understand that the two concepts don't contradict each other any relevant way whatsoever, right?

Look, the character has the power of elements at the power of her fingertip. Quite possibly on a PLANETARY scale.

And she's also more or less immune to psychic.

That's an INSANELY potent combination.

How does that not fit within the definition of either overpowered or favoritism?

 

[javon]

"the character has the elements at her fingertips" Um....duh.
"Quite possible on a planetary scale" So are you saying that any other character with the power to effect the earth on a global scale is overpowered?

"And she's also more or less immune to psychic" She's RESISTANT, not immune. It's not like she CAN'T be beat. The strain is very painfull (don't know if you've noticed her struggling EVERYTIME).

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

"the character has the elements at her fingertips" Um....duh.
"Quite possible on a planetary scale" So are you saying that any other character with the power to effect the earth on a global scale is overpowered?

Yes, absolutely.

The only reason bad guys can get away with it is because they have to fight off TEAMS.

"And she's also more or less immune to psychic" She's RESISTANT, not immune. It's not like she CAN'T be beat. The strain is very painfull (don't know if you've noticed her struggling EVERYTIME).

The point is that she ALWAYS prevail and that's just not right for a non-telepath.

Well, the former part is according to Sebita and Nature's Rising.

I stubbornly remind them of Emma Frost owning her in the original Hellfire arc, though.

 

[javon]

Yes, absolutely.

The only reason bad guys can get away with it is because they have to fight off TEAMS.

WOW, what total BS. Their is no way in hell that a villian is ALWAYS fighting a team. Besides, their are heroes that have the power to wipe the damn world out.

The point is that she ALWAYS prevail and that's just not right for a non-telepath.

Actually, their was an issue when Emma held Storm captive (the issue where Phoenix owns her t: ) and Storm didn't prevail.

 

[Hyperion1320]

Look, brother, Claremont pretty much defined the characters we all know and love(*at least the classic ones), and he created a team, individuals who have different strengths and different weaknesses. Colossus, while in metal form, does not need to breath, eat or sleep, and is impervious to all but the most powerful or carefully targeted attacks. If you shot Storm in the head, her cranium would rupture just like yours or mine. Is it favoritism that Colossus's metal skull would not shatter? No. That is his nature and his ability. Ask Colossus to coordinate a multi-pronged attack with a dozen individuals, he might not do as well as Scott or Ororo. Everyone has their own abilities. Some people are better at some things than others. Some people are better at many things that others are not so good at. Its all part of life. Storm, Magneto, and Jean Grey are just in a different league compared to mutants like Anole, Skin or Cypher. Eagles soar and see over vast distances, kiwis kinda run around without wings. Both birds, both interesting, but every different. Storm is an eagle among kiwis.

 

[javon]

^

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dear f****n God.

Look, I get the glorious 'eagle among kiwis' analogy.

Still, warding off Charles f****n Xavier is still off the freakin charts.

Christ, I wasn't asking for the character to be killed off and corpse-f***d. I was just saying that they should've NERFED her back in the days when it comes to THAT.

 

[Sloth7d]

Storm is sexier and thus wins by default.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Storm is sexier and thus wins by default.

See. Humor. Sarcasm.

Storm fanatics could use that.

Edit: You know what, when it comes down to it, that's pretty much the reason Storm was made so roxor over the years.