Comics The Official Storm vs Jean thread

[The Weather God]

Storm can completely scramble a psy-link between her and another person, thus stopping any telepathic assault that has ever been thought of. I provided a scan earlyer in this thread of her doing this with an Electrical storm, there was also a time when The professor tried to just make contact with her but due to her emotion(mild storm) the link was scrambled and he was in pain the whole time. So if storm can already fight off psy assaults alone then there is no way jean would be able to trash her mind in this battle.

 

[Nature's Rising]

Oh god, why the hell was this thread resurrected?!?! Give it a rest, PLEASE.

 

[Havok83]

Oh god, why the hell was this thread resurrected?!?! Give it a rest, PLEASE.

lol..I thought it was dead as well

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh god, why the hell was this thread resurrected?!?! Give it a rest, PLEASE.

Thirded.

Why am I not surprised Sebs was the culprit here? t:

 

[Valechan]

Jean can contact everyone on earth simultaneously, as you mentioned yourself. If she wants to get into Storm's mind, and she tries, theres nothing Ororo will really be able to do to stop it. It would take someone with Gambit's level of mental resistance(which has kept people like Shadow King and Xavier out) to keep a telepath of Jean's level out.


It also takes Storm a moment to gather the forces to do anything. Unlike Thor, she cannot simply conjure weather phenomena out of thin air; she actually has to use whats around her and guide it into pace to use it. One TK strike to the throat, solar plexus, or eyes and Storm's not going to be in a condition to do anything but writhe in pain.

a) Jean can contact multiple minds simoultaneously, but not instantly, and it does take a heavy toll on her. Ororo withstood the full psychic might of Xavier, Pyslocke and Oracle at the same time. Her resistance to telepathy is far more than Gambit's. And she escaped the Shadow King's control while in the body of a child and her powers were not even matured and fairly unpredictable.

b) wrong. Ororo can conjure weather patterns in the blink of an eye. It doesn't take time for the weather to change. More than once it is said "Instantaneously" when referring to her creating terrible weather conditions like monsoons and hurricanes.

Ororo has shown she can divert Jean's concentration, thus stopping her from being able to attack her. The only reason why she didn't destoy her in those three fights it's because they were best friends.

Darth... old habits die hard

 

[Canemacar]

a) Jean can contact multiple minds simoultaneously, but not instantly, and it does take a heavy toll on her.

Heavy toll or not, she does have vast telepathic abilities and enough strength to read the mind of damn near anyone she wants.

Ororo withstood the full psychic might of Xavier, Pyslocke and Oracle at the same time.

I'll have to ask for an issue # so I can read the scene in question. I seriously doubt Storm would still be standing, or even conscious, if Xavier really wanted to take her out.

Her resistance to telepathy is far more than Gambit's.

Doubtful. He's blocked people like the Shadow King from his mind, Xavier has had to ask Gambit to let him read his mind at times, and even people like Sinister and Exodus haven't been able to telepathically tell when he's lying to them. He was also unaffected by the mind control in X-Treme.

And she escaped the Shadow King's control while in the body of a child and her powers were not even matured and fairly unpredictable.

Gambit can't be controlled.

b) wrong. Ororo can conjure weather patterns in the blink of an eye. It doesn't take time for the weather to change.

The fact that she has to use surrounding weather instead of simply conjuring it like Thor means there will be a delay in the effect.

More than once it is said "Instantaneously" when referring to her creating terrible weather conditions like monsoons and hurricanes.

Narrations, especially Claremont's, tend to be exaggerations. I can't even count the number of times the narration in a Hulk book has said he was the strongest person in the world when there are stronger people around.

Ororo has shown she can divert Jean's concentration, thus stopping her from being able to attack her. The only reason why she didn't destoy her in those three fights it's because they were best friends.

If we're going with the two in "bloodlust" mode, then Jean can simply pop a TK-bubble in Storm's brain in the first half-second of the fight and win.

 

[Valechan]

Ororo's power is as psychic as Jean's, it takes them both the same time to actually tell their brains to do something. Ergo, if Jean attacks her with a tk bubble, at the same time Ororo sends her to the moon with a hurricane or rips her to shreds with lightning.

Uncanny 277 was where she withstood the full might of their powers. Ororo was never controlled by the Shadow King, I was saying that he tried with all his might to enter her head and control her, and he couldn't. If Xavier and Jean have managed in the past to enter her mind and find it "uncluttered" as per Xavier's words is merely because she ALLOWED them to. Jean herself clearly said in X-Treme 9 that Storm's mind is protected by the electrical forces she control. There is no way on Earth that Jean can enter Ororo's mind if Ororo doesn't let her.

 

[The Weather God]

The fact that she has to use surrounding weather instead of simply conjuring it like Thor means there will be a delay in the effect.

She creates a jetstream in the split of a second.


At the same time you said jean could create a tk bubble in storm's brain.

 

[Canemacar]

Ororo's power is as psychic as Jean's, it takes them both the same time to actually tell their brains to do something. Ergo, if Jean attacks her with a tk bubble, at the same time Ororo sends her to the moon with a hurricane or rips her to shreds with lightning.

Not quite. Storm has to move the weather into position. A TK bubble is nearly instant. Thats what I'm trying to say. Storm would have to gather the positive (or negative, I forget which) particles together for lighting to occur whereas a TK bubble would appear as fast as Jean can think.

Uncanny 277 was where she withstood the full might of their powers.

I remember that issue; Gambit KO'd Gladiator with a deck to the chest. Storm didn't really withstand a full assault by the three; she collapsed just like everyone else. In fact, since Xavier popped out of the machine and clocked the bad guy, it's debatable if he was using all of Xavier's power at the time.

Ororo was never controlled by the Shadow King, I was saying that he tried with all his might to enter her head and control her, and he couldn't.

Thats basically what happened with Gambit as well.

If Xavier and Jean have managed in the past to enter her mind and find it "uncluttered" as per Xavier's words is merely because she ALLOWED them to. Jean herself clearly said in X-Treme 9 that Storm's mind is protected by the electrical forces she control. There is no way on Earth that Jean can enter Ororo's mind if Ororo doesn't let her.

They haven't done so in the past because they didn't want to really hurt her, I'd wager. Several mutants are protected in some way from telepathy by their powers, but they've still been mind-scanned by someone of sufficient power.

 

[HandOfFate]

I remember that issue; Gambit KO'd Gladiator with a deck to the chest. Storm didn't really withstand a full assault by the three; she collapsed just like everyone else. In fact, since Xavier popped out of the machine and clocked the bad guy, it's debatable if he was using all of Xavier's power at the time.

They haven't done so in the past because they didn't want to really hurt her, I'd wager. Several mutants are protected in some way from telepathy by their powers, but they've still been mind-scanned by someone of sufficient power.

Sigh...I'm not getting into this again. I'll just add these pictures and say that I believe that both of these women are fully capable of taking each other out.

Telepathic Resist


Resisting Possession




Storm Vs Bogan




Storm and Professor X


Storm Vs Emma

 

[The Weather God]

Canemacar you sound alot like Exodus from killermovies.

 

[Canemacar]

Canemacar you sound alot like Exodus from killermovies.

Umm....Ok?

 

[The Weather God]

Umm....Ok?

Are you? Because your argument about Uncanny 277 sounds an awful lot like he described it when him and Hof were going at it there.

 

[Canemacar]

Are you? Because your argument about Uncanny 277 sounds an awful lot like he described it when him and Hof were going at it there.

I've never visited the site in my life.

That particular showing just doesn't impress me that much given the circumstances. I did gain a bit more respect for her abilities from the other showing though.

 

[The Weather God]

I've never visited the site in my life.

Oh ok sorry for the mix up.

 

[wolfgang85]

See heres the thing with u guys that say storm takes some time to conjure up something.

We see the weather in real life everyday. We see how slowly clouds move across the sky and how a drop or two of rain might fall before it begins to pour so we see that the weather is slow but powerful at times. Storm can CONTROL the weather which that right there proves she can manipulate the speed that weather reacts.

How fast does a lightning bolt hit? Faster than Jean can form a thought. You have never seen telekinesis or telepathy in real life so in your head it is a magical power that is super fast and maybe its also pink in color...

Any mutant in the marvel universe has a small time effect in their use because they are all affecting something and it doesnt just happen like magic. Thor needs to think about the thunder before it happens much like Storm needs to form the particles and charges which can be done in no time. Storm would have to raise her hand much like Thor needs to aim his hammer. Jean doesnt just look at an object and it lifts by itself. Jean needs to find the object and hold it with her mind, then use her mind force to move it. This can take a while depending on the object or it can happen in a split second.

Jeans telepathic abilities also require her to reach in to others minds and do stuff to them which in that time Storm can fry her with a powerful bolt.

These two characters are both strong and they each have their strengths and weaknesses to deal with if they ever fought each other. It can go in many ways, who strikes first? who does what with their powers? and so on... I just hope since im a Storm fan that in whatever fight ends up happening...Storm wins

 

[HandOfFate]

These two characters are both strong and they each have their strengths and weaknesses to deal with if they ever fought each other. It can go in many ways, who strikes first? who does what with their powers? and so on...

And that's all you need to know.t:

 

[The Weather God]

See heres the thing with u guys that say storm takes some time to conjure up something.

We see the weather in real life everyday. We see how slowly clouds move across the sky and how a drop or two of rain might fall before it begins to pour so we see that the weather is slow but powerful at times. Storm can CONTROL the weather which that right there proves she can manipulate the speed that weather reacts.

How fast does a lightning bolt hit? Faster than Jean can form a thought. You have never seen telekinesis or telepathy in real life so in your head it is a magical power that is super fast and maybe its also pink in color...

Any mutant in the marvel universe has a small time effect in their use because they are all affecting something and it doesnt just happen like magic. Thor needs to think about the thunder before it happens much like Storm needs to form the particles and charges which can be done in no time. Storm would have to raise her hand much like Thor needs to aim his hammer. Jean doesnt just look at an object and it lifts by itself. Jean needs to find the object and hold it with her mind, then use her mind force to move it. This can take a while depending on the object or it can happen in a split second.

Jeans telepathic abilities also require her to reach in to others minds and do stuff to them which in that time Storm can fry her with a powerful bolt.

These two characters are both strong and they each have their strengths and weaknesses to deal with if they ever fought each other. It can go in many ways, who strikes first? who does what with their powers? and so on... I just hope since im a Storm fan that in whatever fight ends up happening...Storm wins

Very well said wolf, people forget what jean haves to do in order to execute her powers in the first place. From what i've read jean manipulates the telekinetic spectrum that supposedly everywhere. She haves to think of what to do and manually do this at the same time with her powers. It's not think of an object to lift and it lift's You have to manually lift in the process thus not making it any faster then manipulating the weather itself.

 

[Nature's Rising]

Don't ever bring that putrid name Exodus, TWG. I don't go there anymore because it's sick. And Storm fans that keep posting there are just making things worse than it already is.

 

[The Weather God]

Don't ever bring that putrid name Exodus, TWG. I don't go there anymore because it's sick. And Storm fans that keep posting there are just making things worse than it already is.

I tried not to but his arguments just sounded too close to that guy. If it would have been him I wouldn't have wasted my time posting an argument. And yeah i know exactly what you mean, after awhile they're arguments just got ridiculous and the hate tension was so thick you could cut it with a damn knife. I would advise any storm-fan not to ever visit that forum.

 

[Valechan]

In honor of this thread:

Spoiler

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[javon]

OMG

 

[Harlekin]

If there ever was one thread that didn't need to come back, it's this one.

 

[Valechan]

There are many things that shouldn't come back... yet they always seem to do

 

[OZONE]

So who would win in a Jean Grey/Phoenix vs Storm? And because they are simular what if the phoenix entity gave power to both who would win?