The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 4

[Manic]

Morrison had some good ideas, but he had no clue how to write any of the characters. His Beast was too dour, everyone was acting like Emma had only just stopped being a villain, and his Magneto was so overly vicious that other writers retconned it as soon as he left.

I'm also not a fan of Frank Quitely's art.

 

[Havok83]

Quietly's art was an aquired taste. I really was put off by it at first but grew to love it.

I think characterization was one thing Morrison did well. His Jean Grey particularly was amazing. One of the best portrayals in her latter years as was his Wolverine. IA on Beast who always seemed so down. He created an excellent group of supporting teen characters.

I also thought he wrote a good Emma although I thought at times she was just too b--chy for the sake of being one and lacked the warmth she had in Gen X, which was the perfect balance for the character. As far as everyone acting like she just stopped being a villian, I think Id disagree. It was really only Jean and Logan that gave her a hard time from what I remember and Jean had good reason. Emma got along enough with Scott considering their affair and she seemed to get along fine with Beast and Xavier. The rest of her interactions were with the children as Morrison didnt bring in other X-men into his stories outside of Bishop/Sage whom visited when Emma got broken. There were some cameos during Jean/Xavier's world tour but Emma didnt go on that so she didnt get to interact with those characters.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think Morrison was horrid at characterization. I liked his Wolverine, Xavier, and the characters he created, but that was about it. I hated his take on Cyclops, Jean, and Emma... and his Beast was just okay at best. As many have heard me say through the years, I didn't mind Morrison's run and LOVED Planet X, but I do think he dropped the first seeds that was the downfall of the X-Men (as I consider it).

 

[Manic]

I still blame the downfall of the X-Men on M-Day and Mike Marts (the editor who approved of M-Day, then promptly left Marvel without giving the other writers/editors a direction to go in).

 

[Havok83]

I think Morrison was horrid at characterization. I liked his Wolverine, Xavier, and the characters he created, but that was about it. I hated his take on Cyclops, Jean, and Emma... and his Beast was just okay at best. As many have heard me say through the years, I didn't mind Morrison's run and LOVED Planet X, but I do think he dropped the first seeds that was the downfall of the X-Men (as I consider it).

I'll agree with that. Its ironic bc at the same time I felt he helped save the X-men as the line had been stale for years since Kelly/Seagle were forced off the books in the late 90s. Morrison brought a sense of excitement that had been sorely lacking. When Morrison left, things really went downhill and I didnt start to enjoy the X-books again until Brubaker's highly underrated run on Uncanny

 

[javi1024]

I saw that Marvel released Joe Casey's Uncanny X-Men that ran concurrently with Morrison's in trade about two weeks ago. I was very tempted to pick it up. I was surprised I enjoyed that run and would've loved to see that one go longer than it did. From what I understand it wasn't well-received. Was that just because it got overshadowed by New X-Men or did people not like Stacy-X and the Church of Humanity?

 

[runawayboulder]

At the time Marvel put all of their efforts and promotions into New X-Men's reboot. Uncanny didn't have the same appeal anymore with the creative team. Casey and Churchill weren't big names like Morrison and Quitely were.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

So where is Iron Fist in all of this Marvel Now stuff?

It's a stupid question thread, so I thought I'd contribute.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I haven't seen anything from Iron Fist since AvX. His boy Luke Cage is currently a Mighty Avenger fighting Thanos' forces in NY

 

[Havok83]

I saw that Marvel released Joe Casey's Uncanny X-Men that ran concurrently with Morrison's in trade about two weeks ago. I was very tempted to pick it up. I was surprised I enjoyed that run and would've loved to see that one go longer than it did. From what I understand it wasn't well-received. Was that just because it got overshadowed by New X-Men or did people not like Stacy-X and the Church of Humanity?

I didnt like Casey's work. It had rough art (it got really bad after Churchill left although Garney was decent) and I hated his team. It was all male until Stacy-X joined up and she was like the worst X-man to date. Aside from that, I really didnt care for his stories. The X-corporation stuff was good but other than that, it was full of meh. I will say that I love that he made Warren leader as his characterization for him was excellent

 

[JewishHobbit]

I loved Casey's run, but I think some of the art was off-putting (Uncanny 400 and the Annual he wrote were prime examples of that). I thought his X-Corps story line was great, though it had the unfortunate privilege of starting with that stupid 'Nuff Said initiative Marvel did. As for his line up, I loved it. I didn't care that it didn't have any women in it. A team starring Nightcrawler, Angel, Iceman, Wolverine, and (my favorite) Chamber is awesome. Stacey X was a strange addition, but I thought Casey did fine with her. It was Chuck Austen that made her unbearable.

 

[Sundancer]

Saw Thor 2 and

Spoiler

Who is the Collector? I thought he was a villain, but then why would the Asgardians give me the aether?

 

[Anubis]

He's an Elder of the Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elders_of_the_Universe

 

[runawayboulder]

I loved Casey's run, but I think some of the art was off-putting (Uncanny 400 and the Annual he wrote were prime examples of that). I thought his X-Corps story line was great, though it had the unfortunate privilege of starting with that stupid 'Nuff Said initiative Marvel did. As for his line up, I loved it. I didn't care that it didn't have any women in it. A team starring Nightcrawler, Angel, Iceman, Wolverine, and (my favorite) Chamber is awesome. Stacey X was a strange addition, but I thought Casey did fine with her. It was Chuck Austen that made her unbearable.

Sean Phillips was the artist for a good chunk of that run too. He was great on Hellblazer during Paul Jenkins run and did a solid job on Uncanny. I wish he did more stuff at Marvel. He would have been awesome on Punisher.

I disagree with you a little on 'Nuff Said. There were some memorable issues that came out of that gimmick.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I haven't seen anything from Iron Fist since AvX. His boy Luke Cage is currently a Mighty Avenger fighting Thanos' forces in NY

Thanks for the answer.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I disagree with you a little on 'Nuff Said. There were some memorable issues that came out of that gimmick.

I want to say there were 2 or 3 decent ones out of the entire line, but I can't remember what they were. That issue of Uncanny was not one of them. You could tell the issue itself was decent, but it suffered without dialogue.

 

[Sundancer]

He's an Elder of the Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elders_of_the_Universe

Ah. I'm reading the first run of Avengers and knew I saw him as a villain which confused me when I saw the scene.

 

[javi1024]

I didn't realize 'Nuff Said was a company-wide thing. That's one of the few issues I thought New X-Men actually worked well. I may not like Quitely's art (and I REALLY don't) but that issue proved the man can tell a story better than most artists out there today.

 

[Havok83]

It really killed Claremont to have to do a Nuff Said issue and let the artist do all the storytelling...lol

 

[JewishHobbit]

I didn't realize 'Nuff Said was a company-wide thing. That's one of the few issues I thought New X-Men actually worked well. I may not like Quitely's art (and I REALLY don't) but that issue proved the man can tell a story better than most artists out there today.

Morrison cheated on his issue. The whole point of 'Nuff Said month was to show that Marvel Artists could tell stories without dialogue. Yet, Morrison had to add a little dialogue at the end of the issue to explain what the heck we just looked at. Still, that was one of the better ones. I think it would have benefited from dialogue though.

I remember the Deadpool one, they had to kill him to keep him from talking the entire issue

I remember there was one or two that wowed me, but I can't think what they were. I want to say one was either Amazing Spider-Man or Peter Parker Spider-Man.

Still, none of them even came close to Tomasi's recent Batman & Robin silent issue. That's one of the best issues I've ever "read".

 

[Anubis]

Ah. I'm reading the first run of Avengers and knew I saw him as a villain which confused me when I saw the scene.

Well he's really neither a hero or a villain. Such beings are above that sorta thing.

 

[The Question]

Morrison had some good ideas, but he had no clue how to write any of the characters. His Beast was too dour, everyone was acting like Emma had only just stopped being a villain, and his Magneto was so overly vicious that other writers retconned it as soon as he left.

I'm also not a fan of Frank Quitely's art.

Morrison has outright stated that, when he's doing superhero stories, he's usually a lot more interested in writing about what the characters represent than writing the characters.

 

[Manic]

Morrison has outright stated that, when he's doing superhero stories, he's usually a lot more interested in writing about what the characters represent than writing the characters.

That would explain that weird "subtext without the text" style he sometimes slips into.

 

[runawayboulder]

Morrison cheated on his issue. The whole point of 'Nuff Said month was to show that Marvel Artists could tell stories without dialogue. Yet, Morrison had to add a little dialogue at the end of the issue to explain what the heck we just looked at. Still, that was one of the better ones. I think it would have benefited from dialogue though.

I remember the Deadpool one, they had to kill him to keep him from talking the entire issue

I remember there was one or two that wowed me, but I can't think what they were. I want to say one was either Amazing Spider-Man or Peter Parker Spider-Man.

Still, none of them even came close to Tomasi's recent Batman & Robin silent issue. That's one of the best issues I've ever "read".

The Thor one by Jurgens was probably the best one. It was the issue when Thor took up the throne of Asgard.

 

[javi1024]

When Daken was running around with his makeshift black and yellow Wolverine super villain costume, did he have a name? Like how X-23 was briefly renamed Talon.