The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 4

[Lobo]

OK so I read awhile back that Dr Doom was the runner up to Sorcerer Supreme, I thought that was Baron Mordo's schtick? When did they redo the competition for that title? What was the reasoning for it?

Oh and beyond the above three mentioned who would you say are Marvel's most powerful sorcerers?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Lots of people use the story of a number of years ago apparently without reading it. Doom joined in the battles for Sorcerer Supreme despite the fact that he was not a legitimate contender and cheated as well by using his armor's computers. He was not there for the title however and was only after the magical knowledge that observing the real contenders would bring him. The Vishanti were well aware of why he was there as well as the fact that he was cheating but they let him stay anyway since he wanted only the knowledge. The fact that he was the next to last one left has been used to claim that he is the runner up to Strange. despite the fact that he was really inferior to everyone else in the contest. He only lasted by cheating using his armor's computers to analyze and anticipate the attacks. Earth based sorcerers would probably be Strange, Mordo and Jennifer Kale.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What about if you throw in non-humans? I always wondered how Loki and Strange measured up to each other over their careers. I know there's an issue of Strange Tales where Dr. Strange, before he'd even gotten the Sorcerer Supreme title, pretty much gets his ass kicked by Loki. But that was way back in the '60s and I can't recall anything where they're pitted directly against each other since then (except the King Thor Saga, which has Loki kill Strange and take his cloak as a trophy, but this is the same story where a one-armed Thor easily kills the Hulk and the Thing, so that's a bit dubious). I don't know too much about Strange's feats, so I can't really judge on my own.

 

[Anubis]

To be fair, King Thor had the Odin Force. And I KNOW Odin could take Hulk and Thing and hell, even Thor, all at the same time. By the time that fight went down, I can only assume Thor had mastered it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yet the Odinforce couldn't keep Wolverine from cutting off his friggin' arm. Anyway, I was talking more about the presentation than the act itself. The Hulk and the Thing are shown for like a panel and then Thor's shown standing over their corpses a little later. Similarly, I'm sure Loki could beat Strange again, but I don't know how that fight would really go still because they never show it.

 

[Anubis]

Well, clearly that happened BEFORE he quit trying to smite everything with his hammer and started trusting in the Odinforce. So, I don't know a few decades in between learning how to clap with one hand made the difference.

Also, I thought he destroyed Stranges body while he was picking up hookers on the Astral Plane, or was that another alternate future?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There have been conflicting representations of their power levels over the years as with everything else in comics. Through the 70's and 80's one of the common elements in Strange's stories was the fact that he had a fairly limited amount of magical energy that he could personally wield without calling on other beings. This was actually not very much and could be overwhelmed by many beings. What made him formidable in those days was his vast knowledge that made him a walking catalog of plot devices. My personal opinion is that Strange has the greater amount of knowledge compared to Loki, Amora, etc but that the Asgardians can manipulate considerably more magical energy. When Asgard was cut off from Earth and was drifting in the Negative Zone, however, Strange could teleport from Earth to Asgard and vice versa but the Asgardians could not. Did he do it with raw power or skill. You could read into it that he was more powerful but they never actually said.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, clearly that happened BEFORE he quit trying to smite everything with his hammer and started trusting in the Odinforce. So, I don't know a few decades in between learning how to clap with one hand made the difference.

Also, I thought he destroyed Stranges body while he was picking up hookers on the Astral Plane, or was that another alternate future?

Could be. It's been a while since I read it, but I'll be getting back around to it soon enough in my Thor read-through.

But I'm pretty sure Thor fought Wolverine right around that same time. Dr. Strange slipped a magic talisman on him that was supposed to block his access to the Odinforce (but presumably left the physical power-up it gave him, since he was clearly strong enough to own the Hulk and the Thing with ease). Then all the other heroes attacked him--Wolverine, Cap, the Hulk, and the Thing. Wolverine cut off his arm and Thor vaporized him, then the Hulk/Thing fight happens right after. I think. I'm pretty sure.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Anyone reading Savage Wolverine? I was content to ignore it, but I noticed on Comic Book DB that Amadeus Cho is in it. What's that all about? Is he handled well or is it best ignored and forgotten?

 

[runawayboulder]

Hey everyone.

OK, I just recently became obsessed with Silver Surfer (and the rest of Marvel Cosmic and Fantastic Four). I just started reading volume 1 of the SS Masterworks. So my dumb question is, are there any plans by Marvel to reboot/bring back SS? Any miniseries in the works?

There was a mini series by Greg Pak a couple of years ago and it was pretty frigging good. I don't think there's any plans for him but I'm hoping he appears in the upcoming Infinity event.

I think they've actually teased a potential return for the Surfer soon. The teases were enough, by enough people, to assume it's happening.

Also, prior to the mini by Pak, he was in an arc of Mighty Thor that was supposedly really good. I never read it, though.

Surfer is going to be in the upcoming Daredevil #30.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

Sweet! Thanks for the notice!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Kind of slumming for the Silver Surfer. What the hell is in Hell's Kitchen that would be of any interest to him?

Still, Waid and Samnee on the Surfer. Can't complain about that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

To the people who remember Spider-Man comics a lot better than I do: Loki cameo'd in Amazing Spider-Man #503-504 and, in exchange for Spider-Man's help dealing with one of his daughters, Loki gave Spider-Man a rune to call on him if he ever needed a favor. Did Spider-Man ever use that rune?

 

[Anubis]

Nope.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Spider-Man/Kid Loki team-up when Peter's back in the saddle again!

 

[WolfCypher]

Can I use that rune to wish Dan Slott away from Spider-Man?

 

[slim_summers]

Anyone remember what happened to Apocalypse's sentient ship that X-Factor used as their base after beating him?

 

[Manic]

I think Cable had it for a long while. Wasn't it the island he owned in Cable & Deadpool?

 

[runawayboulder]

To the people who remember Spider-Man comics a lot better than I do: Loki cameo'd in Amazing Spider-Man #503-504 and, in exchange for Spider-Man's help dealing with one of his daughters, Loki gave Spider-Man a rune to call on him if he ever needed a favor. Did Spider-Man ever use that rune?

The rune itself wasn't really for the favor. Loki asked Spider-Man to watch over his daughter and the rune contained her location (since Loki wiped her memory so she would not know he was her father). If there was any trouble involving her, Spidey can use the rune to summon Loki instantly. The favor is in exchange for all of this.

Can I use that rune to wish Dan Slott away from Spider-Man?

Ummmm.....NO.

Anyone remember what happened to Apocalypse's sentient ship that X-Factor used as their base after beating him?

I think Cable had it for a long while. Wasn't it the island he owned in Cable & Deadpool?

The ship itself was destroyed when it traveled through time taking baby Cable to the future. Cable took the ship's A.I. called it The Professor and has installed it into several different locations he's used as a base......Graymalkin, remains of Magneto's base Avalon, ect. So while the actual ship is gone, it's "spirit" lives on in other ways.

 

[BadrHari]

I'm trying to research which Hulk stories that the 2008 movie was loosely based off of! I know it was a fugitive story like the film, and I thought I saw it in the book store as maybe a Marvel Premiere Classic , possibly??

Any help ??

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The rune itself wasn't really for the favor. Loki asked Spider-Man to watch over his daughter and the rune contained her location (since Loki wiped her memory so she would not know he was her father). If there was any trouble involving her, Spidey can use the rune to summon Loki instantly. The favor is in exchange for all of this.

Yeah, well, I haven't actually re-read it yet. I'm just past the first volume of Thor, so it's gonna be a while before I get back to those issues. I just happened to flip through them again recently and wondered if anything came of the promise for a favor.

 

[BillPardy]

I'm trying to research which Hulk stories that the 2008 movie was loosely based off of! I know it was a fugitive story like the film, and I thought I saw it in the book store as maybe a Marvel Premiere Classic , possibly??

Any help ??

I found it was most like Bruce Jones run.

 

[BillPardy]

What was (If there was any) between Amazing Spider-Man and Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man?

Was there a difference between the type of stories being told? was one title more focused on certain supporting characters? Different subplots?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As far as I remember, there wasn't really any inherent difference in Spider-Man's comics when he had multiple series running. The various writers of each series would follow their own stories, but they didn't have, like, one series that followed his personal life and another that followed his battles with A-list villains, B-list villains, etc. The only exception I can recall is Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, where Peter David made a conscious effort to follow Peter's social life and career as a teacher a bit more, since the other writers were doing mainly in-costume Spider-Man stuff.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, well, I haven't actually re-read it yet. I'm just past the first volume of Thor, so it's gonna be a while before I get back to those issues. I just happened to flip through them again recently and wondered if anything came of the promise for a favor.

Nothing came of it. But I'm sure every Spidey fan secretly hopes that it one day is used to undo OMD.