The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 4

[JewishHobbit]

Just curious, with all the timeline hopping relatives and space based family, is the Summers/Grey line the most convoluted family in comics? I honestly can't think of another that's even close to it.

Hmm... Scott, Jean, Cable (Scott's son with Jean's Clone who was raised in the future), Hope (Scott's adopted granddaughter who was also raised in the future), Rachel (Scott and Jeans daughter from an alternate future), and Nate Grey (Scott and Jean's son from an alternate present).

I think Wolverine's starting to give them a run for their money.

Logan, his brother Dog (who time traveled from 100 years in the past to the present), X-23 (his daughter/clone), Raze (his son with Mystique from an alternate future), and Daken (oddly enough, his most normal child). And I guess it should be pointed at that all 3 of his children/clone have different mothers. And that's not including his other children from different mothers that he killed. Also, he still has that adopted daughter from forever ago that he never goes to see.

 

[Hellion]

How many futures does Bishop come from?

His first one was with Onslaught killing everyone and then he says it was Hope.

I'd like to add to this, with Bishop his timeline seems to be constantly changing based around events…do any other characters timelines change? Rachel's future/timeline/world seems to stay consistent…also the AOA characters? I've been away from comics for a while, but I always thought Bishop's timeline changed and the other characters from alternate/altered future/timelines/realities didn't…unless I'm mistaken.

 

[KevanG]

Hmm... Scott, Jean, Cable (Scott's son with Jean's Clone who was raised in the future), Hope (Scott's adopted granddaughter who was also raised in the future), Rachel (Scott and Jeans daughter from an alternate future), and Nate Grey (Scott and Jean's son from an alternate present).

I think Wolverine's starting to give them a run for their money.

Logan, his brother Dog (who time traveled from 100 years in the past to the present), X-23 (his daughter/clone), Raze (his son with Mystique from an alternate future), and Daken (oddly enough, his most normal child). And I guess it should be pointed at that all 3 of his children/clone have different mothers. And that's not including his other children from different mothers that he killed. Also, he still has that adopted daughter from forever ago that he never goes to see.

The problem with that is, not counting Logans bajillion unnamed bastard children, the Summers/Grey line also includes

the FF due to Rachel and Franklin hooking up and having Hyperstorm
the Shiar royal family thanks to Adam X and later Vulcan marrying into it
Magnetos family since Polaris is with Havok and since we have Nocture from the Exiles in the main MU that's another link but that also leads to Nightcrawlers tree which includes Mystique, Sabertooth and Rogue

I'd love to see an issue where it's just Scott figuring everything out and just sitting down and crying at the end because he's so confused.

 

[JewishHobbit]

The problem with that is, not counting Logans bajillion unnamed bastard children, the Summers/Grey line also includes

the FF due to Rachel and Franklin hooking up and having Hyperstorm
the Shiar royal family thanks to Adam X and later Vulcan marrying into it
Magnetos family since Polaris is with Havok and since we have Nocture from the Exiles in the main MU that's another link but that also leads to Nightcrawlers tree which includes Mystique, Sabertooth and Rogue

I'd love to see an issue where it's just Scott figuring everything out and just sitting down and crying at the end because he's so confused.

I think you're reaching big time on that. Primarily due to shoehorning Polaris in there. Polaris and Havoc never married, never making her family, and they aren't even together anymore. So that knocks out anything having to do with her or Magneto's family line. Also, Adam X has since been debunked as the 3rd Summers brother in favor of Vulcan (unless they later reveal that Vulcan and Adam X were twins... which they haven't even alluded to).

Good call on Hyperstorm though. I'd forgotten about him. And I also forgot about Vulcan. His marrying Deathbird does now include Deathbird into the family, and along with her Lilandra and D'Ken. Including Lilandra can also lead to including Charles Xavier and Legion. And I guess we should probably also mention Corsair, though he and Hepzibah never married, so she wouldn't be included.

 

[Havok83]

I would not add the Neramani royal family or Xavier's. We could go on forever if you link people not directly related to a Summers or Grey

Not mentioned here are Stryfe and Cable's wife Aliya and Genesis

Alex has his adopted family which included his siblings Todd and Haley and parents Joanna and Andrew Blanding. If we are counting AR kids, then he has Scotty with that AR Madelyne from Mutant X

Jean's family is dead but it included her two parents, sister Sarah, her husband Paul and their two kids, Gailyin and Joey and several unnamed members

There's also the Dark Sisterhood led by Fiona Knoblach (Dark Mother), Jean's grandmother once removed and her brother William aka Clarity and sister Gloria. Cable and Rachel are her descendants as are the rest of the group which included Bonita and Gina Anderson among others

X-Man knocked up Threnody but we still have no clue if she ever gave birth or not.

In addition to Hyperstorm, Rachel and Franklin had another son named David Richards.

Scott and Emma have an AR daughter named Ruby

and theres also various AR children from different stories which I wont even mention

I think Wolverine's starting to give them a run for their money.

Logan, his brother Dog (who time traveled from 100 years in the past to the present), X-23 (his daughter/clone), Raze (his son with Mystique from an alternate future), and Daken (oddly enough, his most normal child). And I guess it should be pointed at that all 3 of his children/clone have different mothers. And that's not including his other children from different mothers that he killed. Also, he still has that adopted daughter from forever ago that he never goes to see.

Nope still doesn't come close to the convolutedness that is the Summers/Grey bloodline

 

[KevanG]

As for the other reality families if they only showed up once or twice or have never really had a part in the main (or in some cases few main) universes then we shouldn't count them just for simplicities sake.

I know I was kinda reaching with the Polaris thing but they've been off and on since they first became a couple. I figure it's just a matter of time.

I was just double checking a few things from here just for accuracy. It's a well done site. A bit out of date in some areas but still neat. http://uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showfaq.asp?fldAuto=8 just

 

[Lord]

Why does Black Panther hate Namor? Did Namor kill Wakandians?

 

[runawayboulder]

Why does Black Panther hate Namor? Did Namor kill Wakandians?

Yeah during AvX when he was all Phoenix'ed up.

 

[KevanG]

Namor went all bat**** insane during AvX and wrecked a bunch of Wakanda when he was Phoenix powered. Considering they just lost all their vibranium on top of that recently, it was a fairly big blow to the already shattered economy.

 

[OriginalMiles]

So.... is D-Man still around? And what about Gilgamesh!

 

[javi1024]

I'm pretty sure D-Man was killed at the end of the last Captain America series.

 

[batnkevlar]

Was it ever revealed what Jefferson said to Franklin and Valeria in Fantastic Four #10?

 

[runawayboulder]

So.... is D-Man still around? And what about Gilgamesh!

I'm pretty sure D-Man was killed at the end of the last Captain America series.

D-Man was brainwashed and died like Javi said.

Gilgamesh is with the Eternals aka Marvel limbo.

 

[OriginalMiles]

I'm pretty sure D-Man was killed at the end of the last Captain America series.

D-Man was brainwashed and died like Javi said.

Gilgamesh is with the Eternals aka Marvel limbo.

I can't wait to tell my friend that, for some odd reason, D-Man is his favourite character in the MU.

Thank you!

 

[Lord]

Do i have to read anything before trying House of M, Civil War, World War Hulk or Secret Invasion? And are they any good? I think i read the core 7 issues of Civil War years ago and i remember liking it

 

[javi1024]

Do i have to read anything before trying House of M, Civil War, World War Hulk or Secret Invasion? And are they any good? I think i read the core 7 issues of Civil War years ago and i remember liking it

I didn't and I followed stuff fine. I would say if you at all get confused about Sentry his story is mainly told in Bendis's early New Avengers. I liked Civil War and Secret Invasion. World War Hulk was fine. It ended pretty much how I had expected though I'm not a Hulk fan. House of M is good until the end I think, just because from what I remember it didn't really "end" it just led into Decimation (which I'm sure could be said about pretty much all of Marvel's events these days).

 

[runawayboulder]

I can't wait to tell my friend that, for some odd reason, D-Man is his favourite character in the MU.

Thank you!

D-Man was actually a pretty important character during the Cap Quits saga years ago.......and then they turned him into a homeless guy and a laughing stock.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Do i have to read anything before trying House of M, Civil War, World War Hulk or Secret Invasion? And are they any good? I think i read the core 7 issues of Civil War years ago and i remember liking it

It helps to read Avengers Disassembled (Avengers 500-503) before House of M. HoM is a sequel to that.

Civil War is fairly stand alone, so you should be fine there. If you WANT some lead-ins though, you can pick up the Road to Civil War trade or the New Avengers: Illuminati one-shot and the 3 issues of Amazing Spider-Man that served as a lead-in.

World War Hulk is best served if you read New Avengers: Illuminati one-shot and Planet Hulk. It explains Planet Hulk enough to where you can skip it if you want (like I did) but I can tell it would read best if you did read Planet Hulk first.

Secret Invasion actually has a LOT of lead in... primarily in New Avengers and Mighty Avengers. Also the Captain Marvel mini from that time. Issues 1 & 5 of the Illuminati mini-series are the most important lead-ins I think. If you WANT to read the essential lead-ins, I'd say read New Avengers 27-39 & Annual 2, and Illuminati 1 & 5. You can JUST read SI if you want, but it WILL feel like you're starting the story 20 minutes after it's already started.

 

[Havok83]

It helps to read Avengers Disassembled (Avengers 500-503) before House of M. HoM is a sequel to that.

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Don't forget the final issues of Excalibur v3 which picked up following Disassembled and led directly into HoM. I don't know the issue numbers but I want to say #12-13, maybe 11

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm assuming you're talking about Excalibur with Xavier and Magneto. That does fill the gap between Disassembled and House of M with regards to Wanda, but I feel that it isn't necessary to the reading of House of M. I was trying to be easy on him. Otherwise I would have recommended New Avengers 1-10 as well.

 

[KevanG]

SI has little plot points going way back, like Mockingbird getting killed in WC Avengers. Most of those aren't necessary to understand the story but there's a several storylines in several different books that lead up to it and the event itself is spread out among most of the titles. It's fairly crazy.

 

[JewishHobbit]

If I had to recommend an efficient (but bare bones) list for Secret Invasion and the lead-ins, I'd say:

Illuminati 1
Civil War: The Return (Captain Marvel story)
New Avengers 27-32
Mighty Avengers 7
New Avengers 39
New Avengers 46
Captain Marvel 1-5
Mighty Avengers 12-13
Illuminati 5
Secret Invasion 1-2
Mighty Avengers 18
Secret Invasion 3-8

And of course there's more detail that can be read in the New Avengers/Mighty Avengers Secret Invasion tie-ins that focus on the Skrulls leading into the invasion. They're interesting but can be skipped in a bare bones read. And there are tons of tie-ins to the actual event. They're mostly repetitive though and easily skipped.

 

[Lord]

I've been making some research, and it seems like the place where the run of all of Marvel's latest events is in Bendis's Secret War and Avengers Disassembled. Are they a good place to start and to then go to House of M, Civil War and Planet Hulk > World War Hulk?

 

[Havok83]

Dissassmbled maybe. Secret Wars, no

 

[Lord]

I'm talking about this secret war

Not the one from the 80s, from Wikipedia it says that it set the stage for the crossover events that have come since.