The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 5

[KevanG]

Well I have not read Ultimate Fantastic Four but I'm giving a go at reading Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men as well as The Ultimates. So what would the other Guardians be like? I imagine Peter Quill might be a total a-hole.

UFF starts off really good then after a few volumes it starts to go to crap, then we get zombies!, then just gets bland.

I'm going through Marvel's suggested reading order for Civil War. Iron Man is for the Superhero Registration Act and Captain America is against it. Now, I'm at the beginning of this event, but didn't Stark and Parker "team up" and go to Washington to fight against the bill? Why is Stark now for the bill?

Because if no one big could stand behind it then the superheroes would all just give them the finger and beat up all the SHIELD agents who came after them.

Really though, the idea was the all superheroes needed to register in order to be 'responsible' for their actions due to Nitro blowing up Stamford even though he was wanted for terrorism before and the group chasing him was legally a superhero team with TV backing. Mostly because there was a ton of new superheroes who destroy everything around them with ill-trained powers and no idea how to use them intelligently. Despite that being almost every superhero fight, ever, Iron Man Reed Richards and Hank Pym (actually a Skrull by then, maybe) thought it would be good to have everyone with secret IDs come out and leave it with the government despite it being shown on literally dozens of occasions the government cannot keep a secret for ****.

Peter had the least amount of reasons to ever join the pro-registration side as already a ton of bad guys knew who he was and they make his life hell on a monthly basis. Tony lost and regained his secret ID a dozen times over the years so he knows the good and bad ideas about it better than anyone and still went through with it.

 

[Anubis]

Stark and Spidey went to Washington before Stamford. Stark was against it up until a bunch of heroes (who had been heroes for years, never f**ked up, even saved the world a few times) suddenly forgot those years of being professional superheroes and caused 600 people, mostly kids cuz that's important, to get blown up.

 

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People go on about Tony being written out of character during Civil War but I don't think he was that different from how he was in Armor Wars when he went on a one-man crusade against everyone he thought had his stolen technology, Tony betrayed all his friends, severely beat up two Avengers, caused a jailbreak, got booted out of the Avengers West Coast and broke numerous laws.

I remember Tony chasing after and gun down Stingray, then scans his armour, realises there is no Stark Tech, and then leaves an unconscious Stingray on a beach-front.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, the only person that was out of character was Reed Richards, and to an extent, Cap.

 

[KevanG]

Reed was given a reason later that made sense for him. "Math says bad things will happen! OBEY THE MATH!" Cap did go a bit overboard but SHIELD started it by trying to arrest him for breaking a law that wasn't a law. That and they had machine guns full of tranqs with people just waiting for him to say no because they knew he would.

 

[WolfCypher]

Yeah, the only person that was out of character was Reed Richards, Peter Parker, and to an extent, Cap.

I had to fixed that for you.

 

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Shield has always been a bit shady but in the last 10 or 15 years they sometimes act like heavy handed fascists.

I think the writers might be trying to reflect government spy/law enforcement organizations behaviour during the ongoing war on terror.

 

[KevanG]

They had Nick Fury pulling sneaky **** constantly and every gets pissed at him for it but at the end of the day they had to admit he was right in doing so. After he books it and SHIELD gets run by the government again without Fury telling them to shove it, then it all goes to ****. They said a bunch of times that Fury was the only thing keeping SHIELD from cracking under the corruption and within a few months of him leaving, it went to pieces and was run by stooges. Later on it turns out it was infiltrated by Skrulls, Hydra and who knows what else.

 

[Sundancer]

Watching GotG and trying to figure out how Ronan was able to touch the infinity gem.

Is he an immortal?

 

[KevanG]

From what I remember he was altered quite a bit to be incredibly tough and powerful but not immortal. The hammer he had in the comics was supposed to be able to let him use a lot of power so he had to be boosted to be able to use it. From what I've seen in the MU you don't have to be special to use a Gem but it helps. They had Pip the troll use the space gem all the time and he was a drunk slacker. I'm a bit rusty on Ronans origins though, I might be wrong.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Infinity Gems of the comics are completely safe to hold and use. Drax swallowed his, for crying out loud.

Ronan was just an exceptionally badass Kree who rose to the rank of Accuser, which got him that hammer, which is called a Universal Weapon. His armor boosted him a bit more, but it was mainly the Universe Weapon that let him stand toe-to-toe with cosmic heavies. That thing could transmute matter, shoot energy, and do a crapload of other stuff. If not for Mjolnir, it would probably be the coolest hammer in comics.

 

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The movies don't really give solid explanations. You just have to go with it.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Why didn't Ronan just throw the hammer out the window?

 

[KevanG]

Because REVENGE!! It's personal so he wanted to be there and do it himself. Besides, would it work if it just hit the ground?

Also what gems have we seen in the movies? Space for the Terresact in Thor, Thor 2 had Power for the Red Aether, Loki had the Mind one in his staff and Time in GotG, any others?

 

[WolfCypher]

The Time Gem was the GotG one? I really couldn't tell.

 

[KevanG]

I assumed it was time because it seemed to rewind the planet so it was without people/buildings and Starlord did see his mother. It might have been the reality gem though.

 

[WolfCypher]

Oh. Good eye. Two viewings and I couldn't tell which gem's effect it was having in the whole movie.

 

[KevanG]

Anyone else think of an Aladdin joke when they first saw the case for the gem from GotG? "Phenomenal cosmic power, ittity bitt living space"

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Is Planet Hulk really all that?

 

[KevanG]

The comics or the movie? Movie was meh, they ended it on a happy note about five minutes before the **** hits the fan. The comics were pretty good. I picked up the collected edition a few years back and it's a good read. They have a newer type of Hulk doing that run. He's smarter than usual, has a good head for tactics and at first heals much slower so has to take it easy and plan first. I rather enjoyed it and so did my nephew when he read it.

 

[The Hill]

I think him healing slower had something to do with the planet's effect on nerfing his powers a little. I think Silver Surfer was also effected.

 

[KevanG]

Yeah, he goes through a 'warp tunnel' or whatever it's called and it drops his power dramatically, same with anyone else who goes through it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The comics or the movie? Movie was meh, they ended it on a happy note about five minutes before the **** hits the fan. The comics were pretty good.

Out of curiosity, what's the biggest difference between the movie and the comics on that?

 

[KevanG]

Movie had less political bits which the book made actually pretty interesting, more mindless action, had Beta Ray Bill instead of the Silver Surfer. That's it off the top of my head as it's been a while since I saw either.

 

[Anubis]

Plus the ending.