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Starting in June, Namor will come in his own limited mini series. Here's a preview I found for #1.

From Marvel.com

New York Comic Con: Sub-Mariner

The Prince of Atlantis returns with a new mini-series

By Ryan Penagos

Namor is a man you don't want mad at you. He's the prince of Atlantis, a former Avenger, a former Defender and one of Earth's strongest heroes. But in the upcoming SUB-MARINER mini-series, launching in June by Peter Johnson, Matt Chernis and Phil Briones, things are falling apart. His allies don't trust him, he's wrapped up in a major scandal and he's on the cusp of getting dethroned.

"The events of SUB-MARINER tie into the events of Guggenheim and Ramos's WOLVERINE run as well as CIVIL WAR," hints series editor Warren Simons. "There's going to be a terrorist attack on the United States and it's going to decimate a small town. S.H.I.E.L.D. is going to come to investigate the attack and they're going to find a clue that's going to link them to Atlantean DNA. Once upon a time, Namor had sleeper cells installed in the United States. What we're going to find out is for some reason, there was another sleeper cell in this town and it [destroyed] the entire town."

But the action isn't limited to above the sea level. "What we're going to slowly see from there is not only are Atlanteans possibly responsible for the attack, that also there's a coup taking place in Atlantis and people are getting ready to get Namor out," adds Simons. "And one of the things they're doing to get Namor out is put him in an indefensible position by having this sleeper cell activate and attack America. In this day and age, especially after the events of Civil War where Namor sided with Captain America, the U.S. government is looking prominently on Atlantis and this is going to be the final straw that breaks their back.

"They're going to go down there and basically demand a regime change in Atlantis. And Namor is going to find himself in a position he's never found himself in before: He can't just lash out and fight something with his hands, because he knows that he's in the wrong here. He knows that repercussions between the sleeper cells and the United States led to this even though he didn't directly authorize this and in fact, he doesn't even know who did this attack. He knows that in some ways he's responsible and Atlantis is responsible for this attack. We're going to see S.H.I.E.L.D. submarines descending upon Atlantis and he's going to realize he can't strike out."

With a concept that's tied to both Civil War and The Initiative and a hero with an illustrious history, it's the book's team who may turn the most heads. "Peter Johnson and Matt Chernis are the writers of this book," notes Simons. "They did a very good book called POWERLESS a few years ago. The artist is Phil Briones (WHITE TIGER) and the pages he's completed have been absolutely gorgeous."

While pages are rolling in, details are still scarce. "The coup is going to be the mystery in this story, so I don't want to give anything away just yet," notes Simons. "It's going to relate directly to Namor and Namor's past. We're going to see visits from members of the Illuminati. Namor is going to go to the surface world to try to find out who is responsible for this and while he's doing this, he's going to call on his old friends and allies for help. He's going to going to find many of them are very, very wary of him. They're not even going to be sure if he's responsible for this or not. He's going to find that most of his allies are going to turn their back on him and it's going to help him with his belief that humans are beneath Atlantis. He's a man of two worlds, he's of the sea and earth at times, so there's a fascinating dichotomy of his character. We're really going to explore that."

Explore the depths with SUB-MARINER beginning in June.

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Can wait for this.
 
It sounds like it could be interesting (although I'm not a big fan of Michael Turner's covers; way too scratchy).
 
Eh, doesn't really bother me. I just wish Marvel would consider giving Namor an ongoing.
 
If this sells well, I imagine they will. I tend to think he works best as a supporting character, overall.
 
That's true. Most see him as a supporting character now. But honestly he was Marvel's first characters, and they should really consider an ongoing if this mini does well. Heck, he's going to have a movie anyway, the next months would be the perfect time.
 
I just wish they would've given this book a better creative team.
 
I think it's ok. If he gets an ongoing after this mini, maybe the creative team will be better.
 
Thats stupid logic. Namor has been built up as a huge player in the Marvel Universe, give him the A-List talent he deserves and make sure its a hit right off the bat.
 
Well, I don't think it needs to have an A-List team to make it a hit.
 
Please elaborate.

In this day and age you need A-list talent or to be directly tied into some huge event. Notice the sales on the first issue on PWJ, but also notice the drop for the following issues. Then you have a book like Iron Fist with a great creative team, hardly selling out of the top 60. Creative teams matter, its the way of the gun nowadays.

This Namor team doesnt have a single big name on it, and Michael Turner isnt going to sell copies just ebcause hes on covers.
 
In this day and age you need A-list talent or to be directly tied into some huge event. Notice the sales on the first issue on PWJ, but also notice the drop for the following issues. Then you have a book like Iron Fist with a great creative team, hardly selling out of the top 60. Creative teams matter, its the way of the gun nowadays.

Punisher: War Journal's sales were do to the fact that it was tied into Civil War. And I wouldn' say the team is A-list. You look at Fraction's work, his books he's most known for is Casanova, Punisher and Iron Fist. Before all that he wasn't that well known. Heck, even I didn't know about him.

Darthphere said:
This Namor team doesnt have a single big name on it, and Michael Turner isnt going to sell copies just ebcause hes on covers.

The logic to have a big name to make a book a hit or sell doesn't make any sense. It's what the writer brings to the story that makes whoever's in the comic cool to read. You see guy like Brian reed writing Ms. Marvel, and he's not exactly A-list. Yet the book is doing well enough. If the Namor stories are good, then they have me as a reader.
 
But Brian Reed's Ms. Marvel isnt a top seller for a reason.
 
Slap Bendis' name on a book and it shoots into the top ten automatically.
 
Slap Bendis' name on a book and it shoots into the top ten automatically.

That really is a shame too. I pretty much read out of interest for the character first and if the writing turns out not to fit me too well, I decide to drop it. The only writers I'll follow blindly into a work are Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore.
 
Namor's kool. I'll try to get this.
 
Ah the pissy prince, always reminded me of a well groomed hulk for some reason. I'll have to look for this when it's out. Hopefully this wont be too bad.
 
I'm looking forward to this mini a great deal, he's an awesome character and it's good to see him being brought more into the public eye.
 
"Peter Johnson and Matt Chernis are the writers of this book," notes Simons. "They did a very good book called POWERLESS a few years ago.
Ha, sure. Man, Powerless sucked. Namor's future looks grim. :(
 
I'm so confused...

I was explaining to our friend The Punisher how this title was all but ready to fail, with a crappy creative team and an already hard to sell character, that an A-List creative team or being tied to some event was the only way this book would sell. You just cemented my opinion with your thoughts on the crappy creative team.
 

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