The Official Superman Score & Soundtrack Thread - Part 1

[A Necessary Evil]

Payaso, I'm about to add you to my buddies mate

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Some of you people just don't get it

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Elevator Man]

Believe it or not. I could care less if they use the Williams theme or not. I already lost hope for this movie when Snyder signed on. Then to add insult to injury they cast a British guy to play Supes. Now I'm hearing Kevin Costner (the Kevin Costner who hasn't made a good film or cared about acting in over 15 years) has a part in this. So not using the Williams theme is the least of this turkey--I mean reboot's problems. I was only trying to defend Williams' theme and to make a point that the theme is too perfect to ignore. I'm just saying if this reboot has the traditional Superman then they should use the Williams theme b/c that is Superman. I've seen birthday cards with Superman from the comics on it. And when you open the card the Willliams theme plays. That theme is a part of pop culture. So if you're making a lighthearted Superman movie. The Superman that we all know and love use the Williams theme. But if they are making a more darker and edgier Superman, which isn't Superman at all. Then they should definitely ignore the Williams theme. And give us a lazy, cheap, generic two note motif .We sure don't get enough of those. Bottom line if they are going to do a traditional Superman movie keep the Williams theme. If they are making a Superman movie that's just dark, gritty, bleak,etc.etc. then make a new theme b/c that aint Superman. You see where i'm getting at.,

I think it's safe to say that a new theme will have the marching rythm every Superman theme has had. STAS's theme had it, no one complained that it wasn't Williams's theme btw.

Yeah b/c people were complaining more about how much Bruce Timm and Dini knew about Batman than they did about Supes. As well as the way Supes was drawn and animated. So not using the Williams theme was the least of that shows problems.

Not necessarily. It'd be ideal, but if you're having a new vision on a character, the basic is that the new theme fits.

I don't think many people can remember Zimmer & Howard's Bat-theme as most people do Elfman's. But thank God they did somethinmg that fit Nolan's vision perfectly.

That cheap butt theme that Zimmer and Howard wrote doesn't even do the Nolan films justice. The Nolan films still could've had better scores than the crap that we were given. Especially given that Zimmer and Howard were involved. So I disagree that it fit's perfectly. All the score tells me is that this movie is dark. It doesn't tell me much else. The score is just like Keanu Reeves. It has no range.

Oh and another thing it wasn't hard for Zimmer and Howard to ignore Elfman's theme, b/c Goldenthal and Walker already did. Believe or not the general public won't think Elfman's theme for Batman like they would Hefti's. Every Halloween when someone sees a kid wearing a Batman costume(whether it be the Nolan suit, Burton suit, or animated series suit)
they always hum the Hefti theme. It didn't take long for the general audience to get over Elfman's theme not being used for the Nolan films. That theme isn't as highly regarded as Willliams Supes theme. So this will be harder to get over especially if the movie going to be about the traditional Superman.

It's not a rule, it's just natural that a different vision should have everything in order to suit it. That's why a darker Batman movie shouldn't have the Neal Hefti's theme no matter how memorable, iconic or hummable it might be.

Keep telling yourself that. A lot of you guys don't want them to use the Williams theme b/c you think it'll connect it to the Donner films and b/c it's a reboot. So ignore what came before. Oh and how do you explain this:

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This animated show isn't based off the Reeve films, but more on John Byrne's Superman. Yet they used the Williams theme and used that Star Trek technique( where they add their own theme while respecting the old theme) I mentioned on my last post before this one.

Nobody's talking about topping. This is not a contest.

If you're going to write a new theme and ignore one of the most recognizable, iconic, and memorable themes in pop culture history. It must mean you think you can do better. I'm sorry but Willliams' theme defines Superman musically for me and a lot of people.

For starters we don't know. And then again, they don't have to compose something better/more memorable but something that suits the new franchise.

That's fine if the franchise isn't going to be the traditional Superman that we all know and love. But if it's anything not like Superman (dark, gritty, bleak, raw, edgy, violent, etc,) then don't use the Williams theme b/c that ain't Superman. Williams' theme doesn't belong with a movie that's just Superman in name only.

On the same note, I don't think any of the current Hollywood studs can beat Christopher Reeve. So it's pointless to even think of making a new movie without him.

Out of respect they should use a CGI Reeve.

But actually I don't think using a new actor for a completely new vision is disrespectful to Reeve at all. Superman the character and its universe doesn't start or end with Reeve, Donner, Nolan, Snyder, Cavill or Williams.

That's your right if you think that Reeve hasn't and will never be surpassed as Superman. But film music and acting are two different things. Why are you comparing them ?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

He was being sarcastic about reeve....

 

[Mindreaper21]

I honestly don't get what the big deal is about people being obsessed with the Williams theme. It's not perfect, nothing in life is, it's just ok. Let it go, it's outdated. There is no way that the Williams theme defines Superman, especially Jim Lee's. Superman has a history of other themes that fit him in incarnatoins before and after Donner's Superman, so why not have a new theme that fits this new movie? I think it's silly to stay stuck in the past. Sure, everyone who knows Superman will always remember the Williams theme, and just remembering it is all that matters. It doesn't have to be in everything that Superman is in. The Williams theme will always be there for you to go back to. Though, we have to keep pushing Superman's character forward, otherwise we will never know how great he can truely be. We need a new inspiration for Superman fans. You can't just try and please one side and ignore the other. Just as there are people who love the Donner era, you have people who want to break away from it to give Superman a new light. Things change, but it's not the end. You may love this new theme or hate it, but you can't be sure until you hear it.

 

[El Payaso]

Believe it or not. I could care less if they use the Williams theme or not. I already lost hope for this movie when Snyder signed on. Then to add insult to injury they cast a British guy to play Supes. Now I'm hearing Kevin Costner (the Kevin Costner who hasn't made a good film or cared about acting in over 15 years) has a part in this. So not using the Williams theme is the least of this turkey--I mean reboot's problems. I was only trying to defend Williams' theme and to make a point that the theme is too perfect to ignore. I'm just saying if this reboot has the traditional Superman then they should use the Williams theme b/c that is Superman. I've seen birthday cards with Superman from the comics on it. And when you open the card the Willliams theme plays. That theme is a part of pop culture. So if you're making a lighthearted Superman movie. The Superman that we all know and love use the Williams theme. But if they are making a more darker and edgier Superman, which isn't Superman at all. Then they should definitely ignore the Williams theme. And give us a lazy, cheap, generic two note motif .We sure don't get enough of those. Bottom line if they are going to do a traditional Superman movie keep the Williams theme. If they are making a Superman movie that's just dark, gritty, bleak,etc.etc. then make a new theme b/c that aint Superman. You see where i'm getting at.,

I'll just say that I am also keeping my exspectations rather low. Snyder is great visually and decent about the rest but that's it.

Yeah b/c people were complaining more about how much Bruce Timm and Dini knew about Batman than they did about Supes. As well as the way Supes was drawn and animated. So not using the Williams theme was the least of that shows problems.

People weren't complaining, were they?

That cheap butt theme that Zimmer and Howard wrote doesn't even do the Nolan films justice. The Nolan films still could've had better scores than the crap that we were given. Especially given that Zimmer and Howard were involved. So I disagree that it fit's perfectly. All the score tells me is that this movie is dark. It doesn't tell me much else. The score is just like Keanu Reeves. It has no range.

One thing is the score fitting the vision. A different one is you liking it.

Oh and another thing it wasn't hard for Zimmer and Howard to ignore Elfman's theme, b/c Goldenthal and Walker already did. Believe or not the general public won't think Elfman's theme for Batman like they would Hefti's. Every Halloween when someone sees a kid wearing a Batman costume(whether it be the Nolan suit, Burton suit, or animated series suit)
they always hum the Hefti theme. It didn't take long for the general audience to get over Elfman's theme not being used for the Nolan films. That theme isn't as highly regarded as Willliams Supes theme. So this will be harder to get over especially if the movie going to be about the traditional Superman.

Anyone remembers Goldenthal's score? Does it even says "Batman" to anyone?

Elfman dominates the Bat-collective memories so much that - as I said before - Zimmer is still asked about a more Elfman'esque score. I don't even want to compare Williams' theme to Elfman's one, because hummability shouldn't be the parameter to keep a score even when the franchise has a different one and feeling.

Keep telling yourself that. A lot of you guys don't want them to use the Williams theme b/c you think it'll connect it to the Donner films and b/c it's a reboot. So ignore what came before. Oh and how do you explain this:

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This animated show isn't based off the Reeve films, but more on John Byrne's Superman. Yet they used the Williams theme and used that Star Trek technique( where they add their own theme while respecting the old theme) I mentioned on my last post before this one.

You mean some short-lived Superman cartoon must be the standard?

If you're going to write a new theme and ignore one of the most recognizable, iconic, and memorable themes in pop culture history. It must mean you think you can do better.

Not necessarily. If you're making a new movie with a different feeling to it it is all natural you should get a new score.

I'm sorry but Willliams' theme defines Superman musically for me and a lot of people.

And - once again - to many people Reeve is Superman.

That's fine if the franchise isn't going to be the traditional Superman that we all know and love.

Who ever said such a thing?

But if it's anything not like Superman (dark, gritty, bleak, raw, edgy, violent, etc,) then don't use the Williams theme b/c that ain't Superman. Williams' theme doesn't belong with a movie that's just Superman in name only.

I don't know who told you this one was going to be dark and gritty, but nothing so far has suggested so. This new franchise could be more Superman than anything we've seen.

That's your right if you think that Reeve hasn't and will never be surpassed as Superman.

And it's your right to think nothing but Williams' theme is Suerman musically speaking. From there to state than nothing else can ever be good, or even attempted, it's a long run.

But film music and acting are two different things. Why are you comparing them ?

Because both are elements from the character held by many as "defining" or "absolute".

You said "Williams theme [...] is Superman" and I (not really but many people) say "Reeve is Superman".

 

[Elevator Man]

I honestly don't get what the big deal is about people being obsessed with the Williams theme. It's not perfect, nothing in life is, it's just ok. Let it go, it's outdated. There is no way that the Williams theme defines Superman, especially Jim Lee's. Superman has a history of other themes that fit him in incarnatoins before and after Donner's Superman, so why not have a new theme that fits this new movie? I think it's silly to stay stuck in the past. Sure, everyone who knows Superman will always remember the Williams theme, and just remembering it is all that matters. It doesn't have to be in everything that Superman is in. The Williams theme will always be there for you to go back to. Though, we have to keep pushing Superman's character forward, otherwise we will never know how great he can truely be. We need a new inspiration for Superman fans. You can't just try and please one side and ignore the other. Just as there are people who love the Donner era, you have people who want to break away from it to give Superman a new light. Things change, but it's not the end. You may love this new theme or hate it, but you can't be sure until you hear it.

It's outdated in your opinion. I'm not stuck in the past. Williams theme is apart of pop culture. It's now apart of the character just like the red cape, red boots, S symbol, spit curl, Clark Kent, Daily Planet, etc, I'm sorry that theme is too perfect to ignore. You can't outdo Williams Superman theme. That's not an opinion that's a fact. Walker's and Gruska's themes for their Superman incarnations were nice. But lacked something the Williams themes had, imo. Like I said before you want to change something for the sake of change. Sometimes change is good. In this case it isn't. If it ain't broke don't screw with it. Oh and just b/c I want the Williams theme to stay assuming it's going to be a traditional Superman movie and not a dark and gritty Superman film. Doesn't mean that I don't want to break away from the Donner era. I'm not one of those who want the reboot to follow Donner''s films. I'm so over the Donner films it ain't even funny. So I do want Superman to evolve in every medium. As long as it's not going to change the character to the point where he's not even Superman anymore. But I don't think you can take the Superman theme any further than what Williams did. He set the bar too high.

Whether you like it or not people are going to compare the new theme (if they go that route) to the Willliams' theme.

 

[Project862006]

this is'nt 1970

 

[Elevator Man]

I'll just say that I am also keeping my exspectations rather low. Snyder is great visually and decent about the rest but that's it.

I'm not excited at all for this movie. The news keeps getting worse for this movie everyday, imo.

People weren't complaining, were they?

I don't think anyone expected to hear the Williams theme when they saw the animated series the first time. Like they could afford the liscensing of the Willliams theme anyways. Oh plus that's animated and made for tv. A lot of people would expect to hear the Williams theme if it's a live action movie on the big screen.

One thing is the score fitting the vision. A different one is you liking it.

Whatever you say.

Anyone remembers Goldenthal's score? Does it even says "Batman" to anyone?

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You obvously didn't get what I was saying. I was trying to explain to you that Elfman's Batman theme isn't held highly as Williams' Superman theme. Sure Zimmer and Howard ignored his theme, but it really wasn't that big of a deal if they ignored it or not since Goldenthal already did. Afterall BF was a sequel to the Burton films. Eventhough the cast was changed except for the actors who played Alfred and Gordon. Not to mention the previews for both Schumacher films used Elfman's music from B89. Yet Goldenthal ignored Elfman's theme. It doesn't matter if Goldenthal's score say Batman or not to people. The point is he didn't think highly enough of Elfman's theme to use it.

Elfman dominates the Bat-collective memories so much that - as I said before - Zimmer is still asked about a more Elfman'esque score. I don't even want to compare Williams' theme to Elfman's one, because hummability shouldn't be the parameter to keep a score even when the franchise has a different one and feeling.

Yeah to Batman/Elfman/ Film score fans, but ask anyone on the street, who could care less about film music and movie themes, to hum the Batman theme. Odds are they'll hum Hefti's theme.

You mean some short-lived Superman cartoon must be the standard?

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Once again you misunderstood. I wasn't stating that some short lived cartoon must be the standard ? I was stating that some short lived cartoon used the Willliams theme and the show isn't even connected to Donner/Reeve films, but more to John Byrne's Superman.

Not necessarily. If you're making a new movie with a different feeling to it it is all natural you should get a new score.

True. I'm not saying copy and paste the whole Williams score. I'm saying if the movie is going to be the traditional Superman movie that's lighthearted and fun and not dark and gritty then they should use the Williams theme. The Williams theme is THE Superman theme for film. You can't get around it without sounding weak to Williams. I don't care.

And - once again - to many people Reeve is Superman.

And once again that's they're (as well as your right if you think that) so quit bringing this up. It has nothing to do with Williams theme if it should stay in the reboot.

Who ever said such a thing?
I don't know who told you this one was going to be dark and gritty, but nothing so far has suggested so. This new franchise could be more Superman than anything we've seen.

Nobody. I just assumed that this reboot would be dark and gritty b/c Nolan , Snyder, and Goyer are involved. I'm sticking to it till I know more about this movie. Snyder still hasn't given us a clue about the plot.

And it's your right to think nothing but Williams' theme is Suerman musically speaking. From there to state than nothing else can ever be good, or even attempted, it's a long run.

Because both are elements from the character held by many as "defining" or "absolute".

You said "Williams theme [...] is Superman" and I (not really but many people) say "Reeve is Superman".

I just think the Williams theme is and will always be a part of the character. A new theme won't change that.

 

[Elevator Man]

this is'nt 1970

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I'll just play along. Yeah no kidding this isn't 1970. It's 2011. You just realise that. If you have nothing to say or add, but to tell me "this isn't 1970". Then don't say anything. Please.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If anyone watched Due Date recently, the music for the Legendary Pictures logo sounded like something out of Superman for me.

 

[Alonsovich]

After the sheer epicness of Skyrim's trailer I say let Jeremy Soule do this... young (born 1975), ambitious and an amazing composer...


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[A Necessary Evil]

If anyone watched Due Date recently, the music for the Legendary Pictures logo sounded like something out of Superman for me.

Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure ottman wrote that (I could be wrong), and he scored superman returns.

 

[Van Petrol]

Just rewatched S:TM today, and I just can't see them ever besting that theme in the future. That's not to say that I am going to give the new material a narrow-minded approach.

 

[Mindreaper21]

It's outdated in your opinion. I'm not stuck in the past. Williams theme is apart of pop culture. It's now apart of the character just like the red cape, red boots, S symbol, spit curl, Clark Kent, Daily Planet, etc, I'm sorry that theme is too perfect to ignore. You can't outdo Williams Superman theme. That's not an opinion that's a fact. Walker's and Gruska's themes for their Superman incarnations were nice. But lacked something the Williams themes had, imo. Like I said before you want to change something for the sake of change. Sometimes change is good. In this case it isn't. If it ain't broke don't screw with it. Oh and just b/c I want the Williams theme to stay assuming it's going to be a traditional Superman movie and not a dark and gritty Superman film. Doesn't mean that I don't want to break away from the Donner era. I'm not one of those who want the reboot to follow Donner''s films. I'm so over the Donner films it ain't even funny. So I do want Superman to evolve in every medium. As long as it's not going to change the character to the point where he's not even Superman anymore. But I don't think you can take the Superman theme any further than what Williams did. He set the bar too high.

Whether you like it or not people are going to compare the new theme (if they go that route) to the Willliams' theme.

True, the Williams theme is a part of pop culture, but it doesn't have to be in every Superman movie. All of those details like the boots, S curl, etc., it may be a part of Superman, but it doesn't make him who he is and neither does the Williams theme. If you think the theme is perfect, thats fine, but saying that there isn't anything that can outdo it is simply false. Even The Terminator's theme beats that. No one wants to change things just for the sake of it either, some people want something different. It's not about changing the Williams theme, its about finding the perfect theme to fit Superman in this film. Using a different theme won't make him any less of who he is. Sure, its going to be compared to the Williams theme, but things get compared all the time. People may prefer the new theme over the Williams theme.

 

[Rev]

Somewhere out there is a Superman movie theme just waiting to be discovered. We need something that will be awe inspiring, epic and evoke a wide range of emotions. The new theme should do for this generation what the Williams theme did for the first Superman movie in 1978.

 

[Catman]

The new theme should do for this generation what the Williams theme did for the first Superman movie in 1978.

I love John Williams' theme, but let's not exaggerate. Others have done Superman themes ALMOST as good. Examples:

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[Rev]

I love John Williams' theme, but let's not exaggerate. Others have done Superman themes ALMOST as good. Examples:

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I agree with what you are saying but in terms of live action movie history we have only heard the William's theme from 1978 and the sequels and a modernized redoing of it again for Superman Returns.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I agree with what you are saying but in terms of live action movie history we have only heard the William's theme from 1978 and the sequels and a modernized redoing of it again for Superman Returns.

Yes. There's not many ways to recreate a theme, especially that one. That's why the best way to go about this is to create a theme that better suits this film.

 

[batman44]

Sammy Timberg's theme is actually my favorite of all the Superman themes.

 

[Elevator Man]

True, the Williams theme is a part of pop culture, but it doesn't have to be in every Superman movie.

It does if it's going to be a traditional, epic, lighthearted, and fun Superman movie. But if it's the direct opposite then they should ditch the Williams theme. It doesn't belong with something that isn't Superman, but only pretends to be.

All of those details like the boots, S curl, etc., it may be a part of Superman, but it doesn't make him who he is and neither does the Williams theme.

I know all those things doesn't make him who he is. I know there's more to Superman than his appearance. I was making a point that the spit curl, S emblem, etc is a part of Superman. It's what makes him recognizable to the GP. I guarantee that people would be angry if Supes didn't have his S emblem, isn't 6 ft 3 -4 inches tall, doesn't have a red cape (or cape for that matter), doesn't have the spit curl, etc. b/c it's a part of the character. That's what makes him so recognizable compared to other superheroes. He has a distinct look. When people hear Williams' theme playing or someone humming few notes from it. The GP recognize it as Superman's theme. Therefore they should keep it. People identify it with Superman. Whether you like it or not.

If you think the theme is perfect, thats fine, but saying that there isn't anything that can outdo it is simply false. Even The Terminator's theme beats that.

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You obviously didn't understand what I meant. What I meant about the Williams theme not being topped was that no Superman theme before or after Williams can or could or will top it. I wasn't comparing it to other themes like Terminator, Bond, Halloween, etc. I like the Terminator theme and think it's one of the most memorable and iconic themes in cinema, but to say it's better than Williams' Superman theme. LOL. So you must think the Terminator theme fits Superman more than Williams own theme. Oh brother.
You know what's funny ? The last two Terminator movies didn't bother using the theme. Sure T3 used it at the end credits as people are leaving the theater. T4 I believe tracked the music from T2 (that plays at the end of the main titles) in certain parts of the movie. That ain't exactly the Terminator theme just part of it. The previews of both movies play Terminator music. Yet hardly use it in their actual films. Those are direct sequels too. Just like Robocop 2 ignored the Poledouris Robocop theme, eventhough it's a direct sequel to Robocop. And the trailers for it used Poledouris' Robocop music. LOL.

No one wants to change things just for the sake of it either, some people want something different. It's not about changing the Williams theme, its about finding the perfect theme to fit Superman in this film.

Yeah keep telling yourself that.

Using a different theme won't make him any less of who he is. Sure, its going to be compared to the Williams theme, but things get compared all the time.

I'm sorry ,but the Williams theme just screams Superman and I don't just mean that literally. I opened a card (that plays music) that had Supes from the comics on the front of it. And it played the Williams theme. That theme is ingrained in the GP conscience as Superman's theme. So get over it.

People may prefer the new theme over the Williams theme.

Sad but true.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

lol elevator man they'll have a new theme, just you see ;-)

 

[Wheels]

If Zack Snyder wants to make a traditional Superman movie with a new theme he can. who's going to stop him? He doesn't need to do anything unless he wants to.

 

[Mindreaper21]

It does if it's going to be a traditional, epic, lighthearted, and fun Superman movie. But if it's the direct opposite then they should ditch the Williams theme. It doesn't belong with something that isn't Superman, but only pretends to be.



I know all those things doesn't make him who he is. I know there's more to Superman than his appearance. I was making a point that the spit curl, S emblem, etc is a part of Superman. It's what makes him recognizable to the GP. I guarantee that people would be angry if Supes didn't have his S emblem, isn't 6 ft 3 -4 inches tall, doesn't have a red cape (or cape for that matter), doesn't have the spit curl, etc. b/c it's a part of the character. That's what makes him so recognizable compared to other superheroes. He has a distinct look. When people hear Williams' theme playing or someone humming few notes from it. The GP recognize it as Superman's theme. Therefore they should keep it. People identify it with Superman. Whether you like it or not.



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You obviously didn't understand what I meant. What I meant about the Williams theme not being topped was that no Superman theme before or after Williams can or could or will top it. I wasn't comparing it to other themes like Terminator, Bond, Halloween, etc. I like the Terminator theme and think it's one of the most memorable and iconic themes in cinema, but to say it's better than Williams' Superman theme. LOL. So you must think the Terminator theme fits Superman more than Williams own theme. Oh brother.
You know what's funny ? The last two Terminator movies didn't bother using the theme. Sure T3 used it at the end credits as people are leaving the theater. T4 I believe tracked the music from T2 (that plays at the end of the main titles) in certain parts of the movie. That ain't exactly the Terminator theme just part of it. The previews of both movies play Terminator music. Yet hardly use it in their actual films. Those are direct sequels too. Just like Robocop 2 ignored the Poledouris Robocop theme, eventhough it's a direct sequel to Robocop. And the trailers for it used Poledouris' Robocop music. LOL.




Yeah keep telling yourself that.



I'm sorry ,but the Williams theme just screams Superman and I don't just mean that literally. I opened a card (that plays music) that had Supes from the comics on the front of it. And it played the Williams theme. That theme is ingrained in the GP conscience as Superman's theme. So get over it.



Sad but true.

It's funny how sensitive you are about this theme and your idea of Superman. Seems to me you want a soft PG Superman movie with bright colors and looks like it's straight from the pages of the comics that were oh so jolly which, in your mind, would be the greatest movie ever. Anyone can dream so you hold on to that ...It's also funny how you say if it's not the traditional lighthearted Superman movie, it's not Superman. I hate to break your heart, but this isn't going to be a lighthearted movie. The good news is, it's still going to be Superman ...In all seriousness though, everyone has their own version of their favorite hero that they like, and I can respect that. It's pretty messed up that your obsession with this theme causes you to have a negative opinion of any other possible themes for Superman. Superman is beyond the Williams theme, and his character is moving forward and developing. If you don't like the movie, theme or anything else in this new movie, it's cool. Though, it's pretty low to just troll everything that doesn't fit "your perfect Superman". There are people here that are happy with the idea of a new theme and new life being breathed into this legendary character. People are bracing themselves for an entirely new Superman adventure. People are ready to see something amazing on the big screen that they haven't seen before. You don't speak for the GP, you speak for yourself. Ask yourself, when we get this new theme, are you in or out? If you have your answer, then good luck.