The Official Superman Thread - Part 2

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Reading Supergods will probably give people insight into what Morrison's approach to Superman is likely to be. Here are a few quotes:

Superman made his position plain: He was a hero of the people. The original Superman was a bold humanist response to Depression-era fears of runaway scientific advance and soulless industrialism. We would see this early incarnation wrestling giant trains to a stanstill, overturning tanks, or bench-pressing constructio cranes. Superman rewrote folk hero John Henry's brave, futile battle with the steam hammer to have a happy ending. He made explicit the fantasies of power and agency that kept the little fellow trudging along toward another sunset fade-out. He was Charlie's tramp character, with the same burning hatred of injustice and bullies, but instead of guile and charm, Superman had the strength of fifty men and nothing could hurt him. If the dystopian nightmare visions of the age foresaw the dehumanized, mechanized world, Superman offered another possibility: an image of a fiercely human tomorrow that delivered the spectacle of triumphant individualism exercising its sovereignty over the implacable forces of industrial oppression. It's no surprise that he was a big hit with the oppressed. He was as resolutely lowbrow, as pro-poor, as any savior born in a pigsty.

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The Superman who made his debut on the cover of Action Comics no. 1 was just a demigod, not yet the pop deity he would become. The 1938 model had the power to "LEAP 1/8th OF A MILE; HURDLE A TWENTY STORY BUILDING... RAISE TREMENDOUS WEIGHTS... RUN FASTER THAN AN EXPRESS TRAIN... NOTHING LESS THAN A BURSTING SHELL COULD PENETRATE HIS SKIN!" Although "A GENIUS IN INTELLECT. A HERCULES IN STRENGTH. A NEMESIS TO WRONG-DOERS," this Superman was unable to fly, resorting instead to tremendous single bounds. He could neither orbit the world at the speed of light nor stop the flow of time. That would come later. In his youth, he was almost believable. Siegel and Shuster were careful to ground his adventures in a contemporary city, much like New York, in a fictional world haunted by the all-too-familiar injustices of the real one.

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And so it came to pass that our socialist, utopian, humanist hero was slowly transformed into a marketing tool, a patriotic stooge, and, worse: the betrayor of his own creators.
 
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as much as i like Conner, you can not compare him with Dick Grayson.
 
I love how Morrison compared Superman to the Tramp. Besides Modern Times and The Great Dictator being personal favorites of mine but Chaplin's character definitely echos the traits that we need in Superman- an invincible figure of optimism and hope that stands up to oppression, tyranny, and inhumanity.
 
Cain is the one who brought Conner into it not me.


No I didn't. This was a reference to the fact that Dick Grayson and Superman have had an "uncle/nephew" type relationship since the golden age. From the World's Finest comics starring Batman, Robin and Superman all the way to their interactions in the post-crisis universe. Superman has been as great an influence on Dick as Batman has. The reason why Dick to me became the best of them all is for that reason. His mentors were the best of the best.

Connor is Kal-El's "son" if anything not his nephew but yeah no way can you compare him to Grayson.
 
Connor's been more of a half Brother than a son. Truth be told, he barely even acknowledges his existence.
 
Yeah true I suppose I could see that since Ma Kent has done more for Conner in just a couple of years than Kal has ever done in 20.
 
Oh okay I gotcha, It just read like you were referencing another character to me and Conner is the only one I could think of.
 
Plus, you know, once you start with the whole cloneing thing it just kinda throws any kind of family dynamic out the window. It's really more like this is my wife, my cousin, my alternate universe cousin, my daughter from a possible future , and my half clone.
 
Plus, you know, once you start with the whole cloneing thing it just kinda throws any kind of family dynamic out the window. It's really more like this is my wife, my cousin, my alternate universe cousin, my daughter from a possible future , and my half clone.

that explains every xmen title right now
 
Oh them mofo's got it far worse.

Particularly the Summer's clan.
 
I don't want there to be too much focus on Superman terrorizing corrupt officials and running from the police, personally. I like a Superman who does the right thing, even if it means coming into opposition with businessmen and politicians, but sometimes I just like to see him preventing some sortof disaster and being cheered on.
 
I like and prefer Boy Scout Superman.

so, it will be interesting if in Action Comics, Superman "matures" throughout the book. it will also be interesting to compare the "early" Superman in Action to the older Superman in the other books.......
That's basically what I'm still interested in the series for. If Superman's gonna stay a childish fratboy for a significant amount of time, I doubt I'll stick with it. But if the series demonstrates that it's about Superman's growth from a cocky young kid to the greatest superhero of all time, I'm in.
That's what I'm hoping too. I slowly quit reading Superman books after Infinite Crisis. Continuity was getting crappy with random injections of Silver Age and movie elements, stupid OYL, Lex and his krazy kryptonian krystal shenanigans, many of Clark's rogues were being inexplicably neutered, etc. I'd had my fill.

That being said, I want to start reading Superman again, but I don't think that the Goddamn Golden Age Superman is what myself or many other people think of when you mention the last son of Krypton. I mean, people can argue all day about which version of Superman is more valid, talking about how he was in the 30s and 40s, and considering the reality that all long running characters grow and change (necessarily or not in some cases) through the years. So any opinion on the proper way to write Superman is subjective, but personally, Golden Age Superman isn't the Superman I want to read about, unless it's a story of his character growth into his more familiar self.
 
Connor's been more of a half Brother than a son. Truth be told, he barely even acknowledges his existence.

If you look at it at a biological level, Connor is Superman's son. They even called him Superman's son in Young Justice.
 
If you look at it at a biological level, Connor is Superman's son. They even called him Superman's son in Young Justice.

Superman is a really neglectful father in that show

He's the deadbeat dad of steel :csad:
 
If you look at it at a biological level, Connor is Superman's son. They even called him Superman's son in Young Justice.

if you think about it that way.......

that means Superman is Conner's dad......and his mom is........Lex!! :wow:

eeeewwwwww.............:oldrazz:
 
The question is are there a good amount of people who aren't reading Superman currently who would like something resembling the Golden Age characterisation?
 
Superman is a really neglectful father in that show

He's the deadbeat dad of steel :csad:
I think it would be worth the cartoon's time to show the situation more from Superman's point of view, looking at his past experience of having his genetic code violated and his own struggles as he deals with it all. Regardless of that history, I think people can understand Clark being pretty uneasy around Conner, but the writers are kind of taking it too far. Having seen the situation almost entirely from Conner's perspective, Superman really comes across as a massive tool in the show and the audience has no real reason to think otherwise.
 
I mean after all, he's a f**king clone. S**t's creepy.
 
And considering Superman's other clones are typically evil, childishly aggressive, and/or tyrants, Clark's got good reason to be at least a little bit on edge around the kid.
 
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