The Official Superman Thread

[Darthphere]

Dude, its comics.

 

[The Leaguer]

Two different speicese cannot mate.

A mule is the offspring of a donkey and a horse. A liger is the offspring of a lion and a tiger. Not the same species. But they mated.

 

[Darthphere]

Dude, its comics.

^^^^^^^

 

[The Leaguer]

That approach doesn't fly with Question. He's convinced that real-world logic should randomly apply to various aspects of comics.

 

[Eros]

That approach doesn't fly with Question. He's convinced that real-world logic should randomly apply to various aspects of comics.

I would assume real world logic plays heavily into some aspects of comics. If they didn't Batman would suddenly take off and fly in one issue, and then be powerless in the next. Or better yet, Batman would drink his urine as if it were some sort of alcoholic beverage.

 

[The Leaguer]

Comic book real world logic is far different than true real world logic.

 

[Darthphere]

Really, c'mon. It wouldnt be the first time in the DCU an alien and a human have a child together. Off the top of my head Elseworlds wise, Dick and Starfire had a kid.

 

[The Question]

Dude, its comics.

Yeah, that's not an explanation. That's an excuse for a lack of an explanation that brings the medium down as a whole.

A mule is the offspring of a donkey and a horse. A liger is the offspring of a lion and a tiger. Not the same species. But they mated.

They're similar speices in the same genetic families.Besides, I even said I changed my stance because I thought of a way it could make sense, so we shouldn't even be arguing.

That approach doesn't fly with Question. He's convinced that real-world logic should randomly apply to various aspects of comics.

No, I'm convinced that stories should make a certain amount of logical sense if they're not trying to be surrealistic on purpose.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, that's not an explanation. That's an excuse for a lack of an explanation that brings the medium down as a whole.

Yes, because a flying alien who wears a cape and tights having sex with a human woman and having a child is so out there, that the lack of a detailed 800 page report on the science involved would bring medium crashing down as a whole.

 

[The Question]

Yes, because a flying alien who wears a cape and tights having sex with a human woman and having a child is so out there, that the lack of a detailed 800 page report on the science involved would bring medium crashing down as a whole.

Way to say I said something that I didn't. I mean that simply saying "it's comics" as an excuse cheapens the medium horribly. Also, saying "Kryptonians gentically altered themselves in such a way so they could rebuild their population in the event of mass deaths" is not an 800 page report. It's one sentance. I never asked for vastly complicated explanations to be given. Just explanations.

 

[Darthphere]

Cheapens the medium to who exactly? Youre using real world science to explain something thats not real world at all. The fact is, the same rules dont apply in comics, hence "Dude, its comics" Anything is possible, and frankly if Lois and Superman had a kid, no one would care except for loser nerds who watched way too much Mallrats.

 

[CConn]

Way to say I said something that I didn't. I mean that simply saying "it's comics" as an excuse cheapens the medium horribly.

No offense, but when you usually talk about comics, it sounds more like you think it's a reality than an artistic medium.

Y'know, let's not say "it's just comics". It's just fiction. Fiction - whether it be comic, movie, or novel - usually doesn't explain every little single detail they present. And, on the rare occasions they do, IMO at least, it makes for extremely boring reading.

 

[The Question]

Cheapens the medium to who exactly? Youre using real world science to explain something thats not real world at all. The fact is, the same rules dont apply in comics, hence "Dude, its comics" Anything is possible, and frankly if Lois and Superman had a kid, no one would care except for loser nerds who watched way too much Mallrats.

But the story has to make a certain amount of sense. I'm sorry, but unless the story is intentionally being highly surrealist, you can't just have two people of dirrefent speicese having a kid. There should be at least some explanation.

No offense, but when you usually talk about comics, it sounds more like you think it's a reality than an artistic medium.

No, I don't. I just want stories to make sense.

Y'know, let's not say "it's just comics". It's just fiction. Fiction - whether it be comic, movie, or novel - usually doesn't explain every little single detail they present. And, on the rare occasions they do, IMO at least, it makes for extremely boring reading.

I'm not asking anyone to explain every single detail. I just want stories to follow some form of logic. That's not asking very much. In the case of this particular arguement, just say "Kryptonians gentically altered themselves in such a way so they could rebuild their population in the event of mass deaths." There you go. It's over. A simple explanation. S'all I'm asking for.

 

[Darthphere]

But the story has to make a certain amount of sense. I'm sorry, but unless the story is intentionally being highly surrealist, you can't just have two people of dirrefent speicese having a kid.There should be at least some explanation.

Sure you can.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar

 

[The Question]

Sure you can.

Yes, you can in the sense that you are capable of it, but then following that same logic, humans could have sex with cats and create human/cat hybrids in the DCU. All I ask for is a simple explanation. I don't see what's so bad about that.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, you can in the sense that you are capable of it, but then following that same logic, humans could have sex with cats and create human/cat hybrids in the DCU.

Extreme example. And a different circumstance altogether considering its been made abundantly clear that Kryptonains and Humans have very similar physiologies.

 

[The Question]

Extreme example. And a different circumstance altogether considering its been made abundantly clear that Kryptonains and Humans have very similar physiologies.

It's been made abundantly clear that they look extremely similar. It's also been made abundantly clear that besides the superficial, Superman's body works very differently from a humans.

 

[Darthphere]

It's been made abundantly clear that they look extremely similar. It's also been made abundantly clear that besides the superficial, Superman's body works very differently from a humans.

Of course, but its also been made clear he has a penis and can have sex.

 

[The Question]

Of course, but its also been made clear he has a penis and can have sex.

So do gorillas. Do you think a gorilla could knock up a human?



Listen, all I'm asking for is a simple explanation. It doesn't have to be in insane detail. It can just be one or twoe sentences. But an explanation isn't the end of the world.

 

[Darthphere]

A lack of one isnt either. Were talking about sperm here, I guess to you Gorlla and SUperman are the same thing, whatever. Is it really that out there for you that Superman's sperm is compatible with human DNA? You keep bring up animals, but aliens are different, we dont have real aliens to make comparison's by. Again, did you get all uppity like this when you saw Darkstar in Kingdom Come?

 

[The Question]

A lack of one isnt either. Were talking about sperm here, I guess to you Gorlla and SUperman are the same thing, whatever.

I wasn't saying that at all.

Is it really that out there for you that Superman's sperm is compatible with human DNA?

No, as I have already thought of a few possible explanations. My point is that this requires a better explanation that "it's just comics."

You keep bring up animals, but aliens are different, we dont have real aliens to make comparison's by.

Aliens aren't different. They would be completely different speicese that share no genetic traits with humans whatsoever. They would not be automatically compatible with humans.

Again, did you get all uppity like this when you saw Darkstar in Kingdom Come?

She was such a minor character that I didn't even think about it. However, Superman having a kid would be a pretty big deal. All I'm asking for is a simple explanation like "Kryptonians gentically altered themselves in such a way so they could rebuild their population in the event of mass deaths." Of course, it doesn't have to be exactly that, but a short, simple explanation would be nice.

 

[Darthphere]

But see, that explanation is a lot more convuluted than a simple, their DNA's are compatible.

 

[The Question]

But see, that explanation is a lot more convuluted than a simple, their DNA's are compatible.

Yes, but that's not a full explanation. What I'm talking about is an explenation for that. For their DNA to be compatible, they'd need to share a common ancestor. Of course, it could simply be said that one particularly randy race seeded the universe millions of years ago, resulting in genetically similar creatures on various different worlds.

 

[Assassin]

now THAT could be an interesting outcome... making this a catalyst for them having a child of there own could redeem this story

wow. people actually like my idea, and dath hasnt bashed it yet, i feel...special

 

[Hush]

well wouldnt Superboy be proof that Kryptonian DNA and Human DNA are complatible. Also the whole kid being in lois and kicking so hard it would kill her thing is kind of silly, that baby hasnt been exposed to our suns radiation yet so how could that happen?