The Dark Knight Rises The Official TDKR Fanart & Manips Thread V

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[Cats]

Hey guys this is something I made today.

Argh... this could've been so perfect. Good job, now I miss the cowl even more.

 

[miggizle85]

Seriously, when I see stuff like this I roll my eyes... After Nolans batman movies ends, this character will NEVER be presented in such a huge way ever again... Not as long as we're all alive anyways! No new batman franchise will ever match Nolans, seriously! How the **** could it!

Leave it be! Move on!

I love Nolan's Batman movies too, but are you really suggesting is that Nolan's Batman is absolutely perfect and could not be improved on at all? As a lifelong Batman fan I can honestly tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe to you Nolan's Batman movies are the definitive Batman, but to me and many other Batman fans (many, I assure you) the definitive Batman was the Batman Animated Series. Nolan's Batman is just the best we've seen on the big screen. And while it's a very well crafted and refreshing take on Batman, there is still the posibility to combine Nolan's style/characterization/themes with a more comic-based Batman universe without having to throw the realism that Nolan strives for. That's just my opinion, and I have a feeling that many others feel the same way too. Doesn't mean we don't like Nolan's movies. Heck I love them!

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, we can get more great movies out of Batman. There are many things that can be improved upon or even presented differently.

 

[American_Idiot]

True. Both of your posts. /\ /\

 

[Naite22]

I love Nolan's Batman movies too, but are you really suggesting is that Nolan's Batman is absolutely perfect and could not be improved on at all? As a lifelong Batman fan I can honestly tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe to you Nolan's Batman movies are the definitive Batman, but to me and many other Batman fans (many, I assure you) the definitive Batman was the Batman Animated Series. Nolan's Batman is just the best we've seen on the big screen. And while it's a very well crafted and refreshing take on Batman, there is still the posibility to combine Nolan's style/characterization/themes with a more comic-based Batman universe without having to throw the realism that Nolan strives for. That's just my opinion, and I have a feeling that many others feel the same way too. Doesn't mean we don't like Nolan's movies. Heck I love them!

I respect every thing you say, and I have never read batman either, I'll admit... I guess I'm just saying that with batman, as in the movies/on the big screen, I honnestly can't see how any one could make, not bigger, but more stylish and GOOD batman films in this world of today. He's represented with so much incredible dignity and respect. Nolans batman movies aren't just the best superhero movies every made - they're really really good movies, period!

If someone moves forward and ones again reboots batman, ok, let them go for it. But I think (for the masses) that they have their jobs cut out for them. Cause I truely believe that with The Dark Knight, and when RISES is released, the world is gonna scratch their necks with a huge freaken question-sign above their heads when they hear batman is ONES AGAIN rebooted. But ok, the future will tell

 

[Liam_H]

^You do know that WB is already planning on continuing with the Batman movies after Nolan is done. It looks like it'll be reboot of some sort because I cannot see Bale returning.

 

[Naite22]

^ Yeah, i've heard about that... all I can say is good luck WB... and I honnestly mean that.

 

[American_Idiot]

I respect every thing you say, and I have never read batman either, I'll admit... I guess I'm just saying that with batman, as in the movies/on the big screen, I honnestly can't see how any one could make, not bigger, but more stylish and GOOD batman films in this world of today. He's represented with so much incredible dignity and respect. Nolans batman movies aren't just the best superhero movies every made - they're really really good movies, period!

If someone moves forward and ones again reboots batman, ok, let them go for it. But I think (for the masses) that they have their jobs cut out for them. Cause I truely believe that with The Dark Knight, and when RISES is released, the world is gonna scratch their necks with a huge freaken question-sign above their heads when they hear batman is ONES AGAIN rebooted. But ok, the future will tell

Well, supposedly Nolan will be producing the reboot, so that's good news.

And personally, I hope to see them take a few steps away from all the realism. Not as other-worldly as say Green Lantern or Transformers, but along the lines of Captain America or Iron Man. I'd like to see villains like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, and Firefly that wouldn't fit (without being drastically altered) in Nolan's world. I LOVE Nolan's series, but I'd like to see them do something a little different next time around.

 

[miggizle85]

I respect every thing you say, and I have never read batman either, I'll admit... I guess I'm just saying that with batman, as in the movies/on the big screen, I honnestly can't see how any one could make, not bigger, but more stylish and GOOD batman films in this world of today. He's represented with so much incredible dignity and respect. Nolans batman movies aren't just the best superhero movies every made - they're really really good movies, period!

Well do you mean bigger as in another $1billion movie? Or do you mean bigger as in the scale of the movie? Because I'll give you a few quick, and simple examples of how the scale could increase in future movies.

1.Batman's graple hook. The scenes of Batman grappling in these movies have been.... shotty. I felt very cheated out by that scene in TDK where he grapples up the building (where Joker awaits up top) and then we see a very badly edited ascension.
2. Fight scenes. Off camera, music/sound effect driven beatdowns were OK in Begins but clearly they put people off in TDK.
3.Finally Batman's detective skills. They were almost non-existant in Begins, and in TDK they were kinda there, but they felt almost forced and ultimately Batman solved nothing and resorted to "cheating" (bugging all the cell phones in Gotham) in order to battle the Joker.

 

[Wedge A.]

Well do you mean bigger as in another $1billion movie? Or do you mean bigger as in the scale of the movie? Because I'll give you a few quick, and simple examples of how the scale could increase in future movies.

1.Batman's graple hook. The scenes of Batman grappling in these movies have been.... shotty. I felt very cheated out by that scene in TDK where he grapples up the building (where Joker awaits up top) and then we see a very badly edited ascension.
2. Fight scenes. Off camera, music/sound effect driven beatdowns were OK in Begins but clearly they put people off in TDK.
3.Finally Batman's detective skills. They were almost non-existant in Begins, and in TDK they were kinda there, but they felt almost forced and ultimately Batman solved nothing and resorted to "cheating" (bugging all the cell phones in Gotham) in order to battle the Joker.

I thought the 'fingerprints' portion of the film was some pretty decent "Batman As Detective" stuff.

 

[miggizle85]

I thought the 'fingerprints' portion of the film was some pretty decent "Batman As Detective" stuff.

Yeah decent. But too quick, and unexplained. And plus the payoff? What did it accomplish again? Bruce solved the riddle of the tied up guards but it didn't accomplish anything other than get a good view of Joker shooting Gordan.

 

[GreyGoose1]

Yeah decent. But too quick, and unexplained. And plus the payoff? What did it accomplish again? Bruce solved the riddle of the tied up guards but it didn't accomplish anything other than get a good view of Joker shooting Gordan.

Wasn't that the point? and for him to also get shot at by the sniper

 

[miggizle85]

Wasn't that the point? and for him to also get shot at by the sniper

I don't get it? Wasn't that I said? What I meant is that whole fingerprint detective scene didn't really accomplish anything productive for Bruce. In the end all his detective work was amounted to him chasing the dollar on a string pulled by the Joker.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't get it? Wasn't that I said? What I meant is that whole fingerprint detective scene didn't really accomplish anything productive for Bruce. In the end all his detective work was amounted to him chasing the dollar on a string pulled by the Joker.

So? Sometimes his detective work ends the same way in the comics. Being a detective might lead you to the crook, but won't in itself prevent the crook from getting away, or prevent unforeseen events from happening.

 

[miggizle85]

So? Sometimes his detective work ends the same way in the comics. Being a detective might lead you to the crook, but won't in itself prevent the crook from getting away, or prevent unforeseen events from happening.

What's your point? I said as much. Twice! My point was that his detective work in TDK was minimal, felt forced, and ultimately accomplished nothing productive. What am I missing here?

 

[GreyGoose1]

So what did you want accomplished? For him to find the finger print and then go capture Joker? Then I would be pissed on how short that movie was!!

 

[ThePhantasm]

What's your point? I said as much. Twice! My point was that his detective work in TDK was minimal, felt forced, and ultimately accomplished nothing productive. What am I missing here?

I'm saying it wasn't "forced" or "worthless" just because it didn't lead directly to the Joker's capture. So we aren't saying the same thing. I think your critique is a bit overblown. I'm saying if you want to criticize the film on this point you'll have to do the same for some of the comics and other stories.

Let's not be silly and pretend it wasn't "detective work" just because it didn't get the results you wanted. It was more than minimal.

 

[miggizle85]

So what did you want accomplished? For him to find the finger print and then go capture Joker? Then I would be pissed on how short that movie was!!

You guys are complete missing the point of the original comment that this all stemmed from. It's really kinda funny to watch it all unfold. t:

Someone mentioned that TDK was perfection. That it could not be improved on so no further Batman movies should be made after TDKR (at least that's the way they made it sound). I simply some quick examples of things that could still be improved on in future movies. Real quick examples that were at the top of my head. They were better grapling gun scenes, better fight scenes, and better Bruce/Batman's detective work (meaning more in depth detective work that doesn't just lead nowhere like in TDK)

 

[miggizle85]

I'm saying it wasn't "forced" or "worthless" just because it didn't lead directly to the Joker's capture. So we aren't saying the same thing. I think your critique is a bit overblown. I'm saying if you want to criticize the film on this point you'll have to do the same for some of the comics and other stories.

Let's not be silly and pretend it wasn't "detective work" just because it didn't get the results you wanted. It was more than minimal.

Well that's your opinion. It is my opinion that in movie that was 152 minutes, a 4 minute sequence of batman piecing a fingerprint together, is in fact minimal. And forced because it lead nowhere. It was really kinda pointless. As far a moviemaking/storytelling goes that whole scene could have been cut as it didn't further the story any. The Joker could have attempted to assassinate the Mayor anyway.

 

[ThePhantasm]

It seems that, this being the first page of a new thread, I misinterpreted you. My apologies. I agree that the detective work could be improved upon. I wouldn't call it "minimal" (nor would I call it pointless) but it certainly could be improved, I agree. There's a number of things about the films that could be improved - they aren't perfect.

 

[miggizle85]

It seems that, this being the first page of a new thread, I misinterpreted you. My apologies. I agree that the detective work could be improved upon. I wouldn't call it "minimal" (nor would I call it pointless) but it certainly could be improved, I agree. There's a number of things about the films that could be improved - they aren't perfect.

No worries. Good discussion tho.

 

[Alex Logan]

I love Nolan's Batman movies too, but are you really suggesting is that Nolan's Batman is absolutely perfect and could not be improved on at all? As a lifelong Batman fan I can honestly tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Maybe to you Nolan's Batman movies are the definitive Batman, but to me and many other Batman fans (many, I assure you) the definitive Batman was the Batman Animated Series. Nolan's Batman is just the best we've seen on the big screen. And while it's a very well crafted and refreshing take on Batman, there is still the posibility to combine Nolan's style/characterization/themes with a more comic-based Batman universe without having to throw the realism that Nolan strives for. That's just my opinion, and I have a feeling that many others feel the same way too. Doesn't mean we don't like Nolan's movies. Heck I love them!

With the direction that Hollywood is going, you really believe this? And let me tell you this, the reason that Nolan's Batman has been so successful with the general audience is because of the realism. Every time I talk to someone who doesn't read comics, they always bring up the the realism.

 

[Frontier]

Apologies if this has been seen before, or is inappropriate... I found it worth a chuckle.