The Official Tom Welling Thread

[Kane]

This is my take. I personally dont care about forming longterm emotional connections with the characters, I just want a solid, entertaining film (writing-wise) that nails Superman perfectly. I wasnt looking for emotional connections in Batman Begins either but the movie became insanely popular and well respected because it was a solid film that captured the essense of Batman well.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Good Point Kane

 

[triplet]

This is my take. I personally dont care about forming longterm emotional connections with the characters, I just want a solid, entertaining film (writing-wise) that nails Superman perfectly. I wasnt looking for emotional connections in Batman Begins either but the movie became insanely popular and well respected because it was a solid film that captured the essense of Batman well.

Thing is, Kane, having an emotional connection to the characters is vital in good storytelling.

Vital.

If you don't care about the characters, why would you care whether or not they survive the ordeals they go through?

Actually, Goyer did a fantastic job with the BB script. It was highly exciting but it also had some terrific character development for Bruce... I loved Bruce in BB.

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.

Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

 

[blksuperman2]

Well, Daredevil did pretty well for a February release. I remember it had the biggest opening weekend for a Valentine weekend or something. I'm not saying that it was a blockbuster, but it didn't tank like Hulk did.

 

[Kane]

Actually, Goyer did a fantastic job with the BB script. It was highly exciting but it also had some terrific character development for Bruce... I loved Bruce in BB.

I wish I could give you a good example, but if the hero doesn't connect with the audience, it doesn't matter how big the film is or how "correctly" the character is portrayed, it won't bring in the audiences.

I could relate to the character of Bruce Wayne, but Im not sure if that was because of the film or my prior knowledge of what Bruce was all about. The fact is BB delievered the essense of what I wanted to see in the character perfectly. I didnt want another campy Schumaccer film.

Hopefully Bryan is able to make the character come off as something out of everyone's collective memory of Superman.

David Goyer also saw ten minutes of Superman Returns several months ago. He claimed Bryan nailed the Superman perfectly and he was impressed. Thats high praise.

Ive tried to connect with the characters of Smallville, often its just way too hard. Martha and Clark seem the most consistent, though often I cant always agree with alot of Clark's emotionally driven bad decisions. I used to love Lionel, but hes changed way too many times... now I cant even read him. Lex was also another favorite till he became bipolar, conviently acting evil around season finales and premieres then mellowing out in the midseason. Lanas kinda all over the place..

I suppose with a long drawn out television series, you have to take the good with the bad alot. Theres many different writers, different styles and different views and ideas. With the film, I just want one view and hopefully two and a half hours of good. I certainly thought BB was good all the way through, no complaints with it.

 

[Kane]

Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

I liked the concept of Daredevil but some of the direction wasnt that good. Jennifer Garner as Elektra kinda ruined the movie for me. Her character sucked.

I could definately connect with Matt Murdoc though, Ben did an okay job.

 

[triplet]

Examples Hulk, Daredevil.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Hulk failed.

It had a good cast and an excellent director, but there was something... remote feeling about it. It didn't engage me emotionally at all.

I didn't really care about hulk at all... His father freaking out was just weird.

Daredevil was bad because it seemed like they didn't get it and didn't play it seriously. It's like the actors didn't buy into it.... they don't believe in it, they can't sell it.

*shrug*

Kinda like the opposite of Gladiator. Worst damned dialogue ever written (except for that busy little bee speech and Max talking about his home to the emperor - but those speeches weren't written by the credited writers, go figure), but the actors and the director all believed in the story and were able to sell it.

I loved Maximus... Hokey plot and drek filled dialogue aside. He made me care for him.

You need to care about the welfare of the characters, or the huge set piece action sequences won't matter....

 

[Kane]

Yeah, I'm not sure why Hulk failed.

It had a good cast and an excellent director, but there was something... remote feeling about it. It didn't engage me emotionally at all.

I didn't really care about hulk at all... His father freaking out was just weird.

I thought Hulk wasnt very good. Bana was okay, the director is great (with the exception of his latest film ) but the villian for it wasnt very good. The story wasnt that compelling. The ending was weird. Some of the scenes shot were pretty whacked. Hulk fighting those dogs were pretty dumb.

Marvel is very hit and miss with its films. I think thats the reason DC is more keen on doing one huge movie per year instead of several. Too bad theres nothing for 2007, gonna be a dull year for DC after this one.

 

[Pickle-El]

It's not that I'm necessarily rooting against SR, it's just that I'm very familiar with the lead actor, as I watched him for six months on OLTL.

If it was another actor (and I don't mean Welling), I think I'd be more receptive.

The fact that he was a finalist for both McG and Ratner before Singer eventually picked him, gives me even more hope....obviously, all 3 saw 'something'.

I just hope I haven't been saying 'don't kill the guy yet' for the last 1 1/2 years, doesn't come back to bite me in the ass.

 

[MJZ]

The fact that he was a finalist for both McG and Ratner before Singer eventually picked him, gives me even more hope....obviously, all 3 saw 'something'.

I just hope I haven't been saying 'don't kill the guy yet' for the last 1 1/2 years, doesn't come back to bite me in the ass.

Yeah, and look at McG and Ratner's favorite candidates. All those guys are the same. Well, aside from the fact that Routh was the only brown-eyed one out of that batch of "he-men..."

 

[Pickle-El]

Yeah, and look at McG and Ratner's favorite candidates. All those guys are the same. Well, aside from the fact that Routh was the only brown-eyed one out of that batch of "he-men..."

Unknowns?

Otherwise, you're generalizing quite a large group of actors.....the major difference between the directors though, is the resumes.

 

[MJZ]

Unknowns?

Otherwise, you're generalizing quite a large group of actors.....the major difference between the directors though, is the resumes.

I meant skinny emo pretty-boys. My bad!

I had high hopes when Singer was announced, but for some reason he's felt the need to re-hash STM for a new generation. Sigh.

 

[Milkman95]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.

 

[Darthphere]

So is it me or has Tom Welling been working out?

 

[AgentPat]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.

Agreed... to a point. Even SV borrows elements from what Donner created. But in my opinion, Singer took the opportunity to pay homage to a whole new level indulgence. But this is re-heeely *off-topic* for this forum and thread, so I'll just re-direct you to a post by Gil from BT's from last year. He summed it up well.

So is it me or has Tom Welling been working out?

Ya think? LOL Whatever it is, he sure *looks* like he's got more beef hanging off those bones this season.

 

[Milkman95]

Sorry about the off-topic, but those were my immediate thoughts, so I had to respond. I've known Gill for a while now, and I remember that post and respect it. In the end, WB probably thought this was the safest route to go, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see............

Welling better be working out.........

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Now even though I did say Daredevil the DC verison of Daredevil owns all if it was put on the big screen. IMO the story in the DC verison is up there with X-Men.

 

[MJZ]

Well, STM to this day holds up, so that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus, just because he's using STM as a history of sorts to this film, does not make it a complete re-hash.

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

 

[Darthphere]

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

True that.

 

[Pickle-El]

Oh it's a complete re-hash, with updated SFX and a few minor changes. Oldguy detailed this quite well in the SR forum.

Oldguy....

MJZ, I thought you were better than that....I might as well call BB a re-hash of Batman 89 as well. (Oh, and pretend it's April of 05 as I type that last comment as well)

 

[MJZ]

Oldguy....

MJZ, I thought you were better than that....I might as well call BB a re-hash of Batman 89 as well. (Oh, and pretend it's April of 05 as I type that last comment as well)

BB was fantastic but there were portions of it that followed the previous Burton/Schumacher formula to a tee.

I love BB but if I wanted to I could easily rip it apart if I so desired.

It'll be interesting to see if SR's legions of fanboys will have such intellectual honesty. I doubt it.

 

[Pickle-El]

BB was fantastic but there were portions of it that followed the previous Burton/Schumacher formula to a tee.

I love BB but if I wanted to I could easily rip it apart if I so desired.

It'll be interesting to see if SR's legions of fanboys will have such intellectual honesty. I doubt it.

We're really off-topic....lets change channels before the girls get angry at us and (gulp) start yapping our ears off.

 

[Serene]

We're really off-topic....lets change channels before the girls get angry at us and (gulp) start yapping our ears off.

Wtf?
Are you kidding, Pickle? Or have I been giving you too much credit?

 

[Pickle-El]

Wtf?
Are you kidding, Pickle? Or have I been giving you too much credit?

I was joking about the yapping part....but we are off topic quite a bit. We're talking about Batman now.