The Dark Knight Rises The Official "What Do YOU Want in the Sequel?" Thread

[Two-Face]

"No love interest. Would be rehashing the 1st two films in a manner of speaking. Being Batman and having a love interest simply isn't in the cards"

I guess we all were reading wrong Batman comics Bats.

 

[Golgo-13]

This would be brilliant. Especially considering any reference of his parents was left out of TDK.

This is such an important part of who Batman is;yet in TDK his parents weren't even mentioned.

 

[TheBatman072]

This is such an important part of who Batman is;yet in TDK his parents weren't even mentioned.

And yet his parents aren't mentioned in every single Batman comic ever.

We can go a bit without mentioning them. And yes, even once.

 

[The Joker]

And yet his parents aren't mentioned in every single Batman comic ever.

We can go a bit without mentioning them. And yes, even once.

Exactly.

 

[ScottJRamsey]

The theme of "Batman Begins" was Batman coming to terms with his fear of bats, which was associated with overcoming past demons - facing his horrible memories, and embracing them, letting them transform him (literally). So to revisit his parents in "The Dark Knight" may seem necessary for an ongoing comic series to remind the audience of motivations, but in a finite movie universe, it would seem redundant. The general audience is well aware of Batman's origin and why he does what he does. The theme of "The Dark Knight" is escalation and Batman realizing he must be whatever Gotham needs him to be - hero, villain, etc. His parents' death was part of a character arc that has finished.
However, in Part III, if it is indeed about redemption and realizing he must be Batman forever, then perhaps a nod to his parents' death would be cool and could serve the story well - but it's not essential.

 

[TheBatman072]

Exactly.

Even in the animated series, the pain he feels for his parents is lessened over time. He still feels it, because he loved them, but it's not as hard anymore.

It's not gone, but it's not the prevailing thought that compels him to be Batman anymore.

He's Batman because that's all he is on the inside. And that's all he'll ever be.

 

[ScottJRamsey]

Things I'd like to see (but feel aren't essential to telling a good story):

* Rebuilt Wayne Manor, or nearly completed with some parts liveable.
* Batcave
* New Batmobile would be cool.
* Perhaps a new suit (I loved TDK one, but maybe just an update to keep things fresh).
* If we do get the three things above, I think it would be really cool if the Batcave, new Batmobile & new suit all came in a montage right before the climax of the movie. The same kind of thing they had in Batman Returns when the Ice Princess is kidnapped or in Batman Begins right before the party - Bruce making his way down to the Batcave in epic fashion, emerging in the Batsuit, and the Batmobile taking off.

*At this point in the story, I think Catwoman would be the best choice. Just my opinion. I see her as a vigilante with her own agenda, who is killing off mobsters. BATMAN, the villain of the city, is blamed for the deaths. The murders cause Janice Porter/Harvey Bullock/Mayor Rupert Thorne/Sarah Essen/whoeever the Nolan's bring in to try and crack down on Batman even harder. Also, Selina Kyle would be in the story, but no one would know her true identity, let alone Batman, until near the end. I also think it would be cool if they treated it like Batman in BB or Two Face in TDK and had it so she is never seen fully in costume until halfway through or near the end, and NEVER in marketing.

* If the above story were to take place, I envision Bane recruited secretly by the corrupt police force to hunt down and break the Bat. He wouldn't be a superhuman on venom, but just a huge, highly intelligent South American assassin. Batman is injured severely, Leslie Thompkins is brought in (leading us back to Batman's motives as a hero) and he must watch from his bed as more "Batman murders" take place.

Of course, I'm not lobbying for the above to happen, as it's very specific and probably to fanboy-fan-fiction-ish for an actual film, but just my two cents on how to move the story forward in an interesting way.

 

[Golgo-13]

I've always felt that Leslie Thompson was such an important character to have in Nolans universe, but i feel adding her now would seem a bit off. If Batman is injured, he or Alfred seem to have enough mediacl knowlege to mend Bruce.

 

[Two-Face]

I've always felt that Leslie Thompson was such an important character to have in Nolans universe, but i feel adding her now would seem a bit off. If Batman is injured, he or Alfred seem to have enough mediacl knowlege to mend Bruce.

Yeah Nolan should cast Vanessa Redgrave to play her.

 

[ALP]

And yet his parents aren't mentioned in every single Batman comic ever.

We can go a bit without mentioning them. And yes, even once.

Very different from the comics, with the comics there are thousands upon thousands of them. Every year there are masses of comics put out, there are a ton of things each of the comics can do without from time to time.

The films are much more rare, we only get one every 3 or 4 years. His parents death is integral to Batman as the person he is. As proven by TDK, his parents being mentioned is not necessary so I agree. Even a big subplot or constant flashbacks about his parents would be interrupting or annoying, but a simple scene with Bruce visiting their graveyard would be touching. And a reminder as to why he does what he does.

 

[TheBatman072]

Very different from the comics, with the comics there are thousands upon thousands of them. Every year there are masses of comics put out, there are a ton of things each of the comics can do without from time to time.

The films are much more rare, we only get one every 3 or 4 years. His parents death is integral to Batman as the person he is. As proven by TDK, his parents being mentioned is not necessary so I agree. Even a big subplot or constant flashbacks about his parents would be interrupting or annoying, but a simple scene with Bruce visiting their graveyard would be touching. And a reminder as to why he does what he does.

Yeah, depending on where you put it in the film.

A scene like that in this kind of story would grind everything to a screeching halt.

 

[The Joker]

The theme of "Batman Begins" was Batman coming to terms with his fear of bats, which was associated with overcoming past demons - facing his horrible memories, and embracing them, letting them transform him (literally). So to revisit his parents in "The Dark Knight" may seem necessary for an ongoing comic series to remind the audience of motivations, but in a finite movie universe, it would seem redundant. The general audience is well aware of Batman's origin and why he does what he does. The theme of "The Dark Knight" is escalation and Batman realizing he must be whatever Gotham needs him to be - hero, villain, etc. His parents' death was part of a character arc that has finished.
However, in Part III, if it is indeed about redemption and realizing he must be Batman forever, then perhaps a nod to his parents' death would be cool and could serve the story well - but it's not essential.

Even in the animated series, the pain he feels for his parents is lessened over time. He still feels it, because he loved them, but it's not as hard anymore.

It's not gone, but it's not the prevailing thought that compels him to be Batman anymore.

He's Batman because that's all he is on the inside. And that's all he'll ever be.

Excellent posts

Yeah Nolan should cast Vanessa Redgrave to play her.

I love Vanessa Redgrave. She'd be perfect.

 

[ALP]

The theme of "Batman Begins" was Batman coming to terms with his fear of bats, which was associated with overcoming past demons - facing his horrible memories, and embracing them, letting them transform him (literally). So to revisit his parents in "The Dark Knight" may seem necessary for an ongoing comic series to remind the audience of motivations, but in a finite movie universe, it would seem redundant. The general audience is well aware of Batman's origin and why he does what he does. The theme of "The Dark Knight" is escalation and Batman realizing he must be whatever Gotham needs him to be - hero, villain, etc. His parents' death was part of a character arc that has finished.
However, in Part III, if it is indeed about redemption and realizing he must be Batman forever, then perhaps a nod to his parents' death would be cool and could serve the story well - but it's not essential.

I like your post, all except for the bolded part. His parents death as a character arc will never truly be over because it is what makes up who Batman is. That arc will be over when Batman decides to quit. When Batman's one man war on crime is over...that is the day the arc of his parents death is over. Otherwise it will always loom there.

 

[ScottJRamsey]

I like your post, all except for the bolded part. His parents death as a character arc will never truly be over because it is what makes up who Batman is. That arc will be over when Batman decides to quit. When Batman's one man war on crime is over...that is the day the arc of his parents death is over.

I see where you are going with this, but I disagree. I think his parents' death was a catalyst for Bruce becoming Batman- it was a criminal action, a horrible tragedy, a brutal murder that destroyed young Bruce so much he wanted to try and prevent it from happening to others. But in Batman Begins, Bruce accepted their death, and his fear of bats, and embraced them - he accepted that they had transformed him into a different person and used it as a weapon to "prey against those who prey on the fearful (he himself having once been the fearful).

So while the tragedy shaped him into the character he is now, it no longer defines his mission. Instead his mission is driven by a desire to continue his father's war on poverty or Dent's war on crime - but not as a hero. As a dark knight, one who criminals can fear as he once feared bats or his repressed memories.

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah Nolan should cast Vanessa Redgrave to play her.

Nice choice. I've always envisioned Emily Watson in the role.

 

[ALP]

Agreed, that would be nice but like you said, this far in the game it might be difficult to add her.

 

[Daredevil]

I want another amazing performance similar to Heath Ledgers Joker.

 

[ALP]

I see where you are going with this, but I disagree. I think his parents' death was a catalyst for Bruce becoming Batman- it was a criminal action, a horrible tragedy, a brutal murder that destroyed young Bruce so much he wanted to try and prevent it from happening to others. But in Batman Begins, Bruce accepted their death, and his fear of bats, and embraced them - he accepted that they had transformed him into a different person and used it as a weapon to "prey against those who prey on the fearful (he himself having once been the fearful).

So while the tragedy shaped him into the character he is now, it no longer defines his mission. Instead his mission is driven by a desire to continue his father's war on poverty or Dent's war on crime - but not as a hero. As a dark knight, one who criminals can fear as he once feared bats or his repressed memories.

Deep. Indeed!

 

[Bats]

Yes, very hilarious. Obviously some people aren't getting the idea.

I guess we all were reading wrong Batman comics Bats.

I'm referring to the movies. That's what this thread is about, right? The movies? You can only do so much 70 year comic history in a flick. The 1st two dealt with his problems with having a love interest. The same thing in a 3rd film would - IMO - seem like more of the same.

 

[bluehit]

Arkham inside,
New Freaks in Gotham,
Batcave,
New Mansion,
New batsuit, i just wanna see the gray black suit,
No love interest,
Bale musculature,
logo evolution,
The Zeepelin might look good,
A lot of winks,
and talking about specific characters: Leslie Thompkins, Harvey Bullock and Sarah Essen.

 

[Ledlunar]

just buy the Batman TAS dvds ^^^ if you would like to see that

the oval logo is poop

 

[bluehit]

just buy the Batman TAS dvds ^^^ if you would like to see that

the oval logo is poop

Sarah Essen did not appears on that... and i´m not referring to the oval, but any kind of evolution on the bat symbol it´s necessary - i think.

 

[Micah12345]

more gadgets

TDK was seriously lacking in those, he didn't even use the grappling gun! BATMAN ALWAYS USES THE GRAPPLING GUN!

 

[The Joker]

TDK was seriously lacking in those, he didn't even use the grappling gun! BATMAN ALWAYS USES THE GRAPPLING GUN!

Yes he did. He used it in the Prewitt building finale. Twice.

 

[Ledlunar]

Sarah Essen did not appears on that... and i´m not referring to the oval, but any kind of evolution on the bat symbol it´s necessary - i think.

OooOps I jumped the gun and missed her name. I seen bullock, Black/Grey costume, Zeppelins. and just thought " GAZOOOKS! I should recommend the animated series to this guy he will love it"

sorry Im just messing around up there^

What kind of evolution could the Bat symbol go through besides the Oval?