The Dark Knight Rises The Official "What Do YOU Want in the Sequel?" Thread

[The Joker]

I get it that Joker and Two Face were two major villians the general audience will automatically know of but I hope in the third film Nolan uses the villians how he did in BB.

Don't see that happening given the mega success of Heath Ledger's Joker. If anything they're going to try and fill his BIG villainous shoes with the main villain in the next movie, I'd say. Sequels always go for bigger and better. TDK did, and succeeded.

Demoting the main villain to the short screen time Ra's had in Begins ain't gonna' cut it. Gotham needs a big centrifugal threat, like the Joker.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

The technology will never exist... because the idea behind the technology doesn't make sense.

You cannot get finger prints off of actual bullets. Fingers or thumbs do not come into contact with bullets. They come into contact with the casings.

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Bruce is attempting to reconstruct the fingerprint from a shattered bullet, he says to Fox "And there's the print from when he pushed the round into the clip". While it would seem that the fingerprint would be on the shell casing, which is ejected from any semi-automatic weapon, not the bullet, the process of loading a magazine usually involves sliding the round in to the magazine primer-first, then pushing it back and into the magazine. As such, the pressure would be on the bullet to push the round fully into the magazine, as well as the casing from the initial insertion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/goofs

 

[Doctor Jones]

Jeez, I think we're looking too much into this. For what it is, I like it. And I don't think realism is the right word to describe Nolan's Batman films. It's plausible. Realistic is just a word that is thrown around and easily understood to get the main idea of it all.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I wanted to talk about the fight scenes but i didnt think that it deserved its own thread, so since i want better fight scenes for B3, i might as well talk about it here.

Anyway, i just watched "Undisputed 2: Last man standing" with Michael Jai White. It was on TV and i had nothing better to do. t: It was the classic tale of a guy locked up in jail even though he is innocent, "you will fight or you will never get out", "no **** you, i wont fight", "then shovel some ****", "ok i will fight", he wins and gets out. Only it was a million times better than any other movie of this kind that i've seen. A thousand times better than Van Dam's. If you've got nothing better to do, watch it for the fight scenes.

So anyway the movie had some amazing fight scenes. White and especially his opponent pulled off some incredible moves and the fight scenes were choreographed very well. They both seemed like heavy fighters but also agile like Batman is supposed to be. OK they didnt wear a heavy batsuit with a long cape, but i'm sure that most of these moves could be done by a stuntman in a batsuit. And with CGI they can overcome any obstacles (they could render the cape in CGI for example).

Much better than a Batman that looks like he's wearing boots of iron and the only moves he knows involve his elbow.

EDIT: So here's a video from the movie. The fighting style is kick boxing or whatever its called, so i'd only use some of the moves because you dont want batman to move like a kick boxer. I just wanted to show you the power and agility of the fighters and the choreography that although unrealistic in some cases, doesnt look fake.
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[Figs]

Hahaha. He does a Guile like flash kick on that guy around the 32 second mark.

 

[Dark Knight]

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Bruce is attempting to reconstruct the fingerprint from a shattered bullet, he says to Fox "And there's the print from when he pushed the round into the clip". While it would seem that the fingerprint would be on the shell casing, which is ejected from any semi-automatic weapon, not the bullet, the process of loading a magazine usually involves sliding the round in to the magazine primer-first, then pushing it back and into the magazine. As such, the pressure would be on the bullet to push the round fully into the magazine, as well as the casing from the initial insertion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/goofs

Good detective work!

 

[Dark Knight]

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Bruce is attempting to reconstruct the fingerprint from a shattered bullet, he says to Fox "And there's the print from when he pushed the round into the clip". While it would seem that the fingerprint would be on the shell casing, which is ejected from any semi-automatic weapon, not the bullet, the process of loading a magazine usually involves sliding the round in to the magazine primer-first, then pushing it back and into the magazine. As such, the pressure would be on the bullet to push the round fully into the magazine, as well as the casing from the initial insertion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/goofs

Good detective work!

 

[Gianakin_]

I want the Joker again. And Catwoman. Other than that, they can go ahead and surprise me.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Bruce is attempting to reconstruct the fingerprint from a shattered bullet, he says to Fox "And there's the print from when he pushed the round into the clip". While it would seem that the fingerprint would be on the shell casing, which is ejected from any semi-automatic weapon, not the bullet, the process of loading a magazine usually involves sliding the round in to the magazine primer-first, then pushing it back and into the magazine. As such, the pressure would be on the bullet to push the round fully into the magazine, as well as the casing from the initial insertion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/goofs

Nice info.

But... go back and watch that scene again. Where is the thumb print? It's not on the primer, it's on the main body of the bullet... where the casing would completely cover it.

So yea it is a goof.

 

[Travesty]

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Bruce is attempting to reconstruct the fingerprint from a shattered bullet, he says to Fox "And there's the print from when he pushed the round into the clip". While it would seem that the fingerprint would be on the shell casing, which is ejected from any semi-automatic weapon, not the bullet, the process of loading a magazine usually involves sliding the round in to the magazine primer-first, then pushing it back and into the magazine. As such, the pressure would be on the bullet to push the round fully into the magazine, as well as the casing from the initial insertion.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/goofs

It still doesn't make sense. He got a fingerprint from a computer scan from the brick he took out, and then it was reconstructed digitally. Do you guys not see the flaw here? You can't get a fingerprint unless you actually get the physical print first. The digital reconstruction was a scan, not an actual physical print. Hell, even a digital reconstruction like that, would have a hard time finding indentations on the actual bullet, let alone a friggin fingerprint.

And I still don't know what the point of shooting off 5-6 bullets in the bunker was about? He did it, just to find the same kind of bullet for comparison? Who cares, he has the scanning technology, what was the point of firing off the guns, other then to make everyone jump in the theater, cause it was loud as hell?

And then after that, the whole part of the Melvin White thing was SOOO ridiculous. So The Joker found someone who owned an apartment, before there was a funeral, and was lucky enough that the person he found, lived right above the funeral, that was randomly selected in the middle of the street, and then told him to load a magazine, so he could randomly shoot it into the wall, just so he could give off clues to the next assassination attempt, that was then given another clue about Rachel Dawes? Does this make sense to ANYBODY? I hear people complain about the microwave emitter in BB, but The Joker would have to be friggin psychic for that plan to work out! But I guess The Joker is psychic, because he also attended the funeral, knowing that every cop who has a gun in their hand, would run away when they hear a shot being fired, even though they were all just firing shots! And who sets a funeral in downtown, that is SURROUNDED by buildings, where people will be firing shots, and also knowing that the friggin Mayor has an assassination attempt on his head!?!?

[/rant]

Batman did no real detective work in TDK. Apart from the bullet scanning thing which makes no sense at all. Yea he found Melvin White's address. Yea he found out which cops were gonna attempt to kill the mayor. But all that came from a plot beat that makes no sense. Simple as that.

I kinda have to agree with you. Now, let me just say, there was "detective work" being done, regardless of how stupid it was, but most of the work wasn't from Batman, but by Bruce Wayne. I know, they're the same person, but that's why I liked the detective work in BB more, because we saw Batman doing most of the work.

 

[Sharkboy]

Don't see that happening given the mega success of Heath Ledger's Joker. If anything they're going to try and fill his BIG villainous shoes with the main villain in the next movie, I'd say. Sequels always go for bigger and better. TDK did, and succeeded.

Demoting the main villain to the short screen time Ra's had in Begins ain't gonna' cut it. Gotham needs a big centrifugal threat, like the Joker.

With all due respect to your opinion, I think thats the problem with alot of sequels. They try too hard to top the previous film, It usually works with a 2nd film, esp in a superhero film, where its not hard to top an origin story, when you can just get to the point, and get to a bigger villian and introduce deeper elements (aka tdk, x2, spidey 2) but when it comes to that very difficult 3rd film, one mistake i always see is that filmakers try to top that second movie, by going overboard, an even bigger villian, even bigger action set pieces etc, it usually falls flat (look at x3 or spidey 3).

Let's face it in terms of a villian, they won't be able to top heath's joker, not just because of his performance, it's alot of factors that has left us with a very vivid memory of the joker in the tdk. Now no matter what they do, every villian they come up with in batman 3 will be compared to heath's joker. Best idea would be to just go a different direction. Not nessesarily a smaller scale, but i'd personally like this to be more of a batman film, about bruce and his nightime habit so to speak, a more personal film instead of focusing on the world around him like tdk. Nolan played to his strengths with TDK, he made an excellent crime film blockbuster first, superhero film 2nd, he should do that again.

to be more specific to the topic's question, i'd say i'd like to see catwoman in the film, she'd bring a sexuality to the nolan bat films that have been missing. The series needs a little sex appeal, it's been pretty cold in that area. I think the character could bring the series in a different direction.

 

[Gianakin_]

A possible but extremely dangerous route would be to bring an army of villains. Not in a lame X3 way, of course, but expanding Joker's line from TDK "Maybe we can share one. You know, they'll be doubling up, the rate this city's inhabitants are losing their minds".

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It still doesn't make sense. He got a fingerprint from a computer scan from the brick he took out, and then it was reconstructed digitally. Do you guys not see the flaw here? You can't get a fingerprint unless you actually get the physical print first. The digital reconstruction was a scan, not an actual physical print. Hell, even a digital reconstruction like that, would have a hard time finding indentations on the actual bullet, let alone a friggin fingerprint.

And I still don't know what the point of shooting off 5-6 bullets in the bunker was about? He did it, just to find the same kind of bullet for comparison? Who cares, he has the scanning technology, what was the point of firing off the guns, other then to make everyone jump in the theater, cause it was loud as hell?

And then after that, the whole part of the Melvin White thing was SOOO ridiculous. So The Joker found someone who owned an apartment, before there was a funeral, and was lucky enough that the person he found, lived right above the funeral, that was randomly selected in the middle of the street, and then told him to load a magazine, so he could randomly shoot it into the wall, just so he could give off clues to the next assassination attempt, that was then given another clue about Rachel Dawes? Does this make sense to ANYBODY? I hear people complain about the microwave emitter in BB, but The Joker would have to be friggin psychic for that plan to work out! But I guess The Joker is psychic, because he also attended the funeral, knowing that every cop who has a gun in their hand, would run away when they hear a shot being fired, even though they were all just firing shots! And who sets a funeral in downtown, that is SURROUNDED by buildings, where people will be firing shots, and also knowing that the friggin Mayor has an assassination attempt on his head!?!?

[/rant]



I kinda have to agree with you. Now, let me just say, there was "detective work" being done, regardless of how stupid it was, but most of the work wasn't from Batman, but by Bruce Wayne. I know, they're the same person, but that's why I liked the detective work in BB more, because we saw Batman doing most of the work.

Yea the 21 gun salute was stupid too. What, they fire the guns into the buildings opposite them?

And to me, it wasn't detective work, it was Deus Ex Machina work.

 

[The Joker]

With all due respect to your opinion, I think thats the problem with alot of sequels. They try too hard to top the previous film, It usually works with a 2nd film, esp in a superhero film, where its not hard to top an origin story, when you can just get to the point, and get to a bigger villian and introduce deeper elements (aka tdk, x2, spidey 2) but when it comes to that very difficult 3rd film, one mistake i always see is that filmakers try to top that second movie, by going overboard, an even bigger villian, even bigger action set pieces etc, it usually falls flat (look at x3 or spidey 3).

True, but in the cases of the likes of X-3 and Spidey 3, it went pear shaped because of creative differences with the director or studio. Bryan Singer jumped ship, and we got lumbered with Brett Ratner. And Sam Raimi was forced to use characters he didn't want like Venom and Gwen Stacy.

If WB just leaves Nolan to his own devices with the third movie, I've every confidence it'll be fine.

Let's face it in terms of a villian, they won't be able to top heath's joker, not just because of his performance, it's alot of factors that has left us with a very vivid memory of the joker in the tdk. Now no matter what they do, every villian they come up with in batman 3 will be compared to heath's joker.

Again, this is true. It will be near impossible to top Heath's Joker. But I don't want them to top him, or even try, because like you say I don't think they can. But just come up with a villain who's almost as good, or as interesting.

With Spider-Man 3, for example, none of the villains came close to the greatness of Alfred Molina's Doc Ock. That was down to lousy script, of course. But that's my point. It's studio interference, or change of director etc that fouled up most of the third movies.

Nolan is a competent director. He knows they won't top Heath. If WB leave him alone, and just let him have his creative freedom, it'll be fine.

I just hope they're not expecting another billion from the third movie.

 

[Travesty]

Yea the 21 gun salute was stupid too. What, they fire the guns into the buildings opposite them?

Exactly! But the funniest thing to me, is that Gordon knew of the assassination attempt, and still let the Mayor attend. But I guess Gordon was feeling smart, cause he knew to wear a bullet proof vest, and to jump in front of the Mayor when one of the cops was shooting, not when the blind opened and the sniper tried to shoot the window, all of course, faster then a speeding bullet, just so that he could play dead, and trick The Joker.

 

[The Joker]

Exactly! But the funniest thing to me, is that Gordon knew of the assassination attempt, and still let the Mayor attend.

Ummm, they all knew about the possibility of an assassination attempt. It was on the news. They had snipers everywhere.

And Gordon really has no authority to allow the Mayor to do anything.

 

[Sharkboy]

True, but in the cases of the likes of X-3 and Spidey 3, it went pear shaped because of creative differences with the director or studio. Bryan Singer jumped ship, and we got lumbered with Brett Ratner. And Sam Raimi was forced to use characters he didn't want like Venom and Gwen Stacy.

If WB just leaves Nolan to his own devices with the third movie, I've every confidence it'll be fine.

Oh yeah, i wasn't denying the studio interference in those threequels, but merely assuming the mindset those studios were in at the time. Simply put though, WB are letting Nolan make his own movie, from his own story with a huge budget and allowing it to become a summer tentpole, a rare non adaptation, non sequel, original big budget movie with a non conventional storyline. Of course im talking about Inception, it shows you that WB has alot of trust in Nolan, to put it bluntly they are on his balls. I think its safe to say they are going to give Nolan a little more freedom. I might be assuming a bit too much, but Warners are a little more risktaking than Tom Rothman and his 20th century mafia.

Again, this is true. It will be near impossible to top Heath's Joker. But I don't want them to top him, or even try, because like you say I don't think they can. But just come up with a villain who's almost as good, or as interesting.

With Spider-Man 3, for example, none of the villains came close to the greatness of Alfred Molina's Doc Ock. That was down to lousy script, of course. But that's my point. It's studio interference, or change of director etc that fouled up most of the third movies.

Nolan is a competent director. He knows they won't top Heath. If WB leave him alone, and just let him have his creative freedom, it'll be fine.

I just hope they're not expecting another billion from the third movie.

Word on Molina, Yeah im not exactly saying, just give up on the villian, but they need to be careful, I don't think they should give the villian such a central role this time, instead have a couple of strong villians and give them a more subtle presence, unlike the scene chewing Ledger. Really don't see any marketable villian who can do this and fit in nolan's world other than Riddler.

 

[8wid]

Where is Wayne Manor?!!

 

[SheldonLevene]

Yea the 21 gun salute was stupid too. What, they fire the guns into the buildings opposite them?

And to me, it wasn't detective work, it was Deus Ex Machina work.

This part is a joke correct?

 

[Figs]

A possible but extremely dangerous route would be to bring an army of villains. Not in a lame X3 way, of course, but expanding Joker's line from TDK "Maybe we can share one. You know, they'll be doubling up, the rate this city's inhabitants are losing their minds".

That's somewhat similar to what I was saying a page or two back. Ever since I saw the inmates escape Arkham in BB i've been wanting more freaks to come out of the woodwork. Hopefully Nolan does this in the third film.

 

[Texas Zombie]

The movie will do well, regardless, I just hope they don't try to continue with more nolanbatmans after this one(with a dif director of course).

 

[craigdbfan]

I don't know if I'm the only one hoping for this but I think Nolan should have the third film take place in the somewhat distant future.

Think a Nolan Bat's movie inspired by "The Dark Knight Returns"/Batman:Beyond. Not only would that be a thrill to see on the big screen but could possibly be one of greatest things ever (hyperbole I know).

Is anyone else hoping something like this happens?

 

[Heisenberg]

I find it highly doubtful but if Nolan has the power to do it I think he could make it something spectacular and help distance the film from The Dark Knight both in tone and expectation. Setting the film any number of years after The Dark Knight would lend a new tone to both Bruce (who by which point would be battle-worn and steely as ever with very little - if any - quips and smiles) and all the supporting characters. Would Gordon be in support of Batman if over time criminal behaviour had gone up in response to a "vigilante's" actions? Would Alfred still be alive, and if so, how heavy would his mortality weigh on Bruce's mind, knowing he'd soon be alone. I'd say if Bale kept his weight similar to that of The Dark Knight and (dare I say it) actually sported some stubble or a busted lip or something he could really pull of the downtrodden superhero.

Anyways, what I want to see in Batman 3? Simple. The Death Of Batman.

Many won't want it, the studio least of all, but if Nolan got to do it he'd create something so memorable I'm salivating at the thought. To have the balls to kill the good guy and actually end Nolan's trilogy on a sombre (and let's face it, he's so mad about it, realistic) note - That'd be both brave and brilliant. Not to say it has to be a complete downer though, with it somehow being his redemption in the eye's of Gotham and in order to save Gordon or something, hell, I just really want to see them kill Batman!

 

[Travesty]

craigdbfan, your pic is hilarious. Awwww, poor horse, it has to withstand Robocop riding on it.

 

[That-Guy]

Just had a thought on this... it may be a stupid idea, but I think this is the only way that I could accept another actor playing the Joker...

What if the Joker is in this movie... but it's a different Joker?

What I mean is, what if the Joker from TDK is locked up in Arkham but someone else is going around terrorizing people, using his name? This new Joker could be similar in appearance, but this would give the new actor more leeway to take the character in his own direction rather than simply doing a Ledger impression.

Perhaps the new Joker's past could be tied to the original, and Batman visits the original Joker in Arkham to gain some insight. They might be able to pull of that scene by only showing the original Joker in the shadows and using Heath's voice. And then, perhaps at the end, after Batman catches the new Joker, the original escapes in a Silence of the Lambs kind of way and the movie ends with him at large.

Perhaps it's a dumb idea. But some people seem to think that the Joker HAS to be in this movie, so I thought this might be an interesting way of bringing the character back. After all, the Joker has never had a definite origin (even in the film) so it might work.