Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[Keyser Soze]

If Rourke does sign on, I'm going to go back through this thread and point out all the posters that need to eat a big plate of crow.

While I go through the thread and point out all the people who said he ain't all that and that they're glad he's gone, as soon as they got the first sniff he might be off the project? Perhaps we can share a table and eat crow together. t:

 

[Keyser Soze]

They'd still say they were right, Vile. Even when presented with clear proof to the contrary.

I don't see what exactly there is to be "right" or "wrong" about. It was a non-argument turned into a conflict by the hair-trigger defensiveness of some Marvel apologists.

To save Vile some time, I skimmed through my earlier posts in the thread myself, to see what exactly I'm supposed to be eating crow over. Nowhere did I make these mythical proclamations that this is a sign of Marvel going down the crapper. I didn't even say Rourke was definitely gone. My main focus was, in fact, on the 180 in perception of Rourke amongst some posters, rather than on Marvel Studios particularly, and in one post on this subject, I said - and I quote:

"....now that his status in the film might be questionable."

This got misconstrued by some as me jumping the gun and assuming Rourke was totally out of the picture now. So I responded with this:

Until Rourke is officially signed onto the film, I'd say "might be questionable" is a fair statement to make about his involvement in the project. Particularly if he's not happy with the current offer and is trying to negotiate a better one.

TheVileOne then intrepreted this as me thinking Rourke was, and again I quote, "furious" at Marvel. Not happy.... furious. There's quite a lot of middle ground in between those two terms. And looking some more at my earlier posts, I also made this point, which might end up being relevant given recent developments:

I just think some of the "Marvel can do no wrong" people shouldn't be so quick to start downplaying Rourke because of a rumor of contract troubles, because they'll find themselves forced to do some backtracking if it turns out he's still in the film.

The closest I came to any assumption that Rourke was gone was in this post:

It's funny, because if anything, I'd say that hear about Terrence Howard leaving over money issues, Samuel L Jackson possibly leaving over money issues, and Mickey Rourke not doing the film over money issues, and then coming to the conclusion that there is no shortcoming whatsoever on Marvel's part on any of these instances and it's all just isolated incidents of the actors being in the wrong/not being worth the investment... is what would qualify as "markdom" or being an "apologist".

I've not said Marvel sucks. I don't think Rourke's departure - or any of the others so far - are going to ruin the film. I'm very much looking forward to Iron Man 2. But while I wish Marvel the best for this and their other projects, and want them to turn out well, I'm not just going to bury my head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge even the possibility that they've made a wrong move here, or not invested enough there.

Then, when fresh news came out Rourke might be doing the film after all, TheVileOne offered this response:

Well there you go.

Not but a few hours ago people were TRASHING Marvel because Rourke said "I don't think we're going to do Iron Man 2."

Keyser Soze, haters, anybody? Your response?

Maybe some people should exercise restraint from nonsense before all the facts are clear.

Ummm....what am I supposed to respond to, here? What exactly have I said that was proven wrong? "Mickey Rourke's status MIGHT be questionable, but if he's still doing the film people who slammed him will be quick to backtrack." Oh, and he IS doing the film! Egg on my face there!

If my above quote is what classifies as "TRASHING" and being a "hater" to some people... then those people need to grow a thicker skin.

 

[TheVileOne]

While I go through the thread and point out all the people who said he ain't all that and that they're glad he's gone, as soon as they got the first sniff he might be off the project? Perhaps we can share a table and eat crow together. t:

Soze, maybe you weren't one of the people I was referring to. To paraphrase Magneto, "Why do you always think everything's about you?"

In what you mention in the other post, I mentioned you but I specifically separated you from the haters who were openly trashing Marvel about this.

I never said that Rourke wasn't all that. I just feel if Rourke wasn't in it, it wouldn't be so terrible, and people can't judge everything because of rumors of a lowball offer.

So now I wouldn't be eating any plate of crow like you should've been doing for years after all the blunders in history by TNA.

I want Rourke to be in the movie and I've been openly campaigning for him to play Backlash with the gimp mask. I would be eating no plate of crow. I'm not saying you would be one of those people either however.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Soze, maybe you weren't one of the people I was referring to. To paraphrase Magneto, "Why do you always think everything's about you?"

In what you mention in the other post, I mentioned you but I specifically separated you from the haters who were openly trashing Marvel about this.

I never said that Rourke wasn't all that. I just feel if Rourke wasn't in it, it wouldn't be so terrible, and people can't judge everything because of rumors of a lowball offer.

So now I wouldn't be eating any plate of crow like you should've been doing for years after all the blunders in history by TNA.

I want Rourke to be in the movie and I've been openly campaigning for him to play Backlash with the gimp mask. I would be eating no plate of crow. I'm not saying you would be one of those people either however.

Well it certainly seemed to me like you were classifying me as one of the haters. That's what I thought was intended by you when I was the only person mentioned in your post by name. But if that's not the case, I apologise.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If Rourke does sign on, I'm going to go back through this thread and point out all the posters that need to eat a big plate of crow.

It's all in your head... don't call us out if he ends up making 3 times as much as that initial joke of an offer.

 

[TheVileOne]

3 times as much as that offer would be $750,000 . . . you do realize that right?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he made even more than that. I'm not the one who blew a gasket over all those rumors.

 

[FaT_tONle]

3 times as much as that offer would be $750,000 . . . you do realize that right?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he made even more than that. I'm not the one who blew a gasket over all those rumors.

Then I don't know why you go out of your way saying... "I am making a hit list for them Marvel bashers if this thing goes through"... when none of the Marvel haters took it to that extent. My only problem was Marvel showing no respect for the actors... if the offer ends up being significantly higher... close to seven figures or above that... then that is direct evidence that Marvel tried to lowball Mickey with that initial offer. At least it is clear evidence in my book... considering these negotiations have been going on forever... there were clearly some issues there for both parties.

 

[marcvader]

Who or what is the source of that number? Is it a confirmed fact? Just wondering.

 

[TheVileOne]

Then I don't know why you go out of your way saying... "I am making a hit list for them Marvel bashers if this thing goes through"... when none of the Marvel haters took it to that extent. My only problem was Marvel showing no respect for the actors... if the offer ends up being significantly higher... close to seven figures or above that... then that is direct evidence that Marvel tried to lowball Mickey with that initial offer. At least it is clear evidence in my book... considering these negotiations have been going on forever... there were clearly some issues there for both parties.

My point is that just because that number is thrown out there doesn't mean it's the final number. You don't really know anything because quite frankly you or we don't even know if that number was real or not.

Also, this news was first reported less than two months ago. That's hardly forever.

If Rourke is in the movie, the hater hit list will stand.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'm as interested to see this "hater hit list" as anyone. I'm genuinely curious to see what comments have provoked such hostility.

 

[FaT_tONle]

My point is that just because that number is thrown out there doesn't mean it's the final number. You don't really know anything because quite frankly you or we don't even know if that number was real or not.

Also, this news was first reported less than two months ago. That's hardly forever.

If Rourke is in the movie, the hater hit list will stand.

So now we are going to ignore reports that seemed legit? Then lets go ahead and ignore all the reports that still have Mickey negotiating with Marvel as well... to be fair.

 

[marcvader]

To be fair, one is substantiated by the actor himself stating his desire to be in it and others in the project stating the fact they're working on getting him in it. The lowball offer, where did that come from and was it confirmed by someone involved or was it a websites scoop?

 

[Keyser Soze]

To be fair, one is substantiated by the actor himself stating his desire to be in it and others in the project stating the fact they're working on getting him in it. The lowball offer, where did that come from and was it confirmed by someone involved or was it a websites scoop?

And to be equally fair, the lowball offer rumor was quickly followed by Rourke himself stating "I don't think we're going to be doing Iron Man 2 anymore." People understandably put two and two together.

 

[marcvader]

But that's something any actor would say to any offer they deemed not satisfactory or the fact that he was in the running for a role in the Stallone movie being filmed the same time Iron Man was.

 

[FaT_tONle]

To be fair, one is substantiated by the actor himself stating his desire to be in it and others in the project stating the fact they're working on getting him in it. The lowball offer, where did that come from and was it confirmed by someone involved or was it a websites scoop?

It was reported by almost every major site though.

 

[TheVileOne]

And to be equally fair, the lowball offer rumor was quickly followed by Rourke himself stating "I don't think we're going to be doing Iron Man 2 anymore." People understandably put two and two together.

Wrong. That report was actually followed by Mickey Rourke mentioning the project in some other interviews and articles. And then that quote above, which was then followed by EW saying he still might be in it, and then Favreau saying he's a fan and they might be working with Rourke.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Wrong. That report was actually followed by Mickey Rourke mentioning the project in some other interviews and articles. And then that quote above, which was then followed by EW saying he still might be in it, and then Favreau saying he's a fan and they might be working with Rourke.

Which shows its all conjecture either way at this stage. Reports say he's doing it, reports say he's not doing it. Rourke himself says he's doing it, ROurke himself says he's not doing it. So I think the moral should be "Don't take too much stock in any reports until we get an official announcement", rather than "You're REALLY dumb if you take stock in the reports that contradict my personal opinion of the situation."

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not the one taking too much stock into the reports. Other people have though.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'm not the one taking too much stock into the reports. Other people have though.

Speaking of which.... check out the new developments with Samuel L Jackson. It would appear Iron Man 2 is rebounding fast!

 

[TheVileOne]

But but but but Marvel is low balling everyone and they lost Samuel L. Jackson! Marvel sux!

 

[Chewy]

Hollywood Reporter updated their article about SLJ:

Samuel L. Jackson is Marvel's man.

The actor, who just weeks ago was seemingly on the outs with the studio over reprising his role as Nick Fury, agent of spy outfit S.H.I.E.L.D., has signed an unprecedented nine-picture deal to play the character in a series of Marvel movies.

The movies include "Iron Man 2," "Thor," "Captain America," "The Avengers" and its sequels.

Also on the table is the possibility of toplining a "S.H.I.E.L.D." movie, which is in development.

The actor, repped by ICM and Anonymous Content, made a surprise appearance as Fury at the end of the first "Iron Man," throwing geeks into a tizzy and showing the first glimpse of Marvel's plan to link all their slate of movies into one filmic universe.

Jackson and Fury were expected to be part of the sequel, but as Marvel negotiated with its cast, deals proved hard to come by. Terrence Howard was replaced by Don Cheadle. Mickey Rourke still doesn't have a deal for the part of a villain despite almost two months of negotiations.

SOURCE

C'mon, Marvel, make this deal

 

[Keyser Soze]

But but but but Marvel is low balling everyone and they lost Samuel L. Jackson! Marvel sux!

Fortunately we have established I've said none of these things, so I don't need to offer a response here.

 

[marcvader]

There we go guy's. SLJ fans can rejoice now and Marvel isn't so bad, are they?

 

[TheVileOne]

Once again Keyser, your British ego-centrism makes you think I am always referring to you. Many people here have taken that viewpoint in this thread.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Once again Keyser, your British ego-centrism makes you think I am always referring to you. Many people here have taken that viewpoint in this thread.

In fact, when I said "we have established I've said none of these things", I was referring to the last instance of you saying you weren't referring to me. I was literally saying I don't have anything to challenge your comment. You continue to marvel me with your ability to make a fight out of ANYTHING.