Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[Brian Braddock]

and if there is a fight with Tony(without suit) then i must remind everyone that the title is iron man. not tony stark.
if they said that there will be more action because the final fight was not good enough then it wouldnt make sense to have a fight without the suit.

remember guys the suit was not working with 100% power at the end of the first movie. so the first fight with whiplash would be without the suit?
isnt this against everything they want to top?

B, I remember the exact same concerns in threads concerning Spiderman 2 when people learned that Peter would lose his powers for a portion of the film.

I think we can all agree that things worked out pretty well on that one.

No reason to think this will be any different; the guys in charge know what they are doing.

 

[Judson Caspian]

From any possible point of view... I don't understand why Rourke is playing two characters in one, Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo (the Ivan Vanko alter ego). Why not just one or the other? They were two different characters in the original. Seriously, I don't get it.

 

[Son of Coul]

Because although Crimson Dynamo is more well known and has a better background, fighting another armored villain would be redundant, while Whiplash would provide an exciting new form of combat for Iron Man, but no one gives a **** about his background.

That's how I figured it. Iron Man never had the best stock of villains in the first place.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Because although Crimson Dynamo is more well known and has a better background, fighting another armored villain would be redundant, while Whiplash would provide an exciting new form of combat for Iron Man, but no one gives a **** about his background.

That's how I figured it. Iron Man never had the best stock of villains in the first place.

Some guys in metal suits, a big dragon, a mongolian guy with a ring fetish and even his sidekick. Man Ironman has the worst rogues gallery ever!

 

[Son of Coul]

But seriously, when will Fin Fang Foom fly onto the big screen?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Hopefully never.

 

[Figs]

Hopefully never.

I hope he does, kind of like that cartoon film they made. Have him as the Mandarin's guardian but make him robotic instead of an actual fantasy dragon. Then again now that were talking about it. If they are going to connect Thor's fantasy based world with a more grounded in reality world like Stark's maybe they could use a real dragon for a possible third Iron Man film. Technically the third film most likely wouldn't be made until after The Avengers film anyways.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I hope he does, kind of like that cartoon film they made. Have him as the Mandarin's guardian but make him robotic instead of an actual fantasy dragon. Then again now that were talking about it. If they are going to connect Thor's fantasy based world with a more grounded in reality world like Stark's maybe they could use a real dragon for a possible third Iron Man film. Technically the third film most likely wouldn't be made until after The Avengers film anyways.

Well on the one hand, we will see Stark next to a Norse god, so a dragon wouldnt be far off, but i suppose that the franchise is more tech and reality based than Thor's. So maybe the franchise should keep its focus and besides... a giant dragon? What kind of villain is that? What does he do, what does he want?
Maybe as Mandarin's guardian, but still...

 

[Figs]

Well on the one hand, we will see Stark next to a Norse god, so a dragon wouldnt be far off, but i suppose that the franchise is more tech and reality based than Thor's. So maybe the franchise should keep its focus and besides... a giant dragon? What kind of villain is that? What does he do, what does he want?
Maybe as Mandarin's guardian, but still...

A lot of times in the Iron Man threads it feels like I'm one of a very very tiny percentage that is actually a fan of the comics and not just the film.

So many people want so much changed from the comics or just ignored it's just stupid if you ask me to get into the character in the films even. I'm not one of those fanboys that wants it exactly like the comic(like I said you could make the dragon another machine/robot instead of being real)but there is a point to where some people seem like they want the films to be an IINO.

Honestly, other than the Mandarin at this point his rogues gallery isn't that great. I wouldn't mind them using Fin Fang Foom in the future.

 

[The IronMan]

Read some of the comics from volume one the whips are very powerful and not his only weapon.

 

[PyroChamber]

Are the whips gonna be CG? Because they haven't really shown that part of the costume yet.

 

[redlion2]

It all goes back to the fact that people are way to defensive over anything they perceive as scrutiny. Whether it be hair color or whether Whiplash poses a threat as seen in the photo. I know that chances are he only fights him in this form while Stark's out of the suit but the guy simply said that Whiplash being that exposed against an armored Stark wouldn't be a match. Most people I talk to feel the same way. Voicing that concern does not mean that he's anti-the movie. It's no different than saying that the Mark I would get destroyed by the Mark III easily.


Anyway, we may get more news on this matter at CC.

Actually it has nothing to do with being too defensive, at least as far as I'm concerned. I don't have a personal stake in the film. If it fails or succeeds it won't affect my personal economic status or overall well being one iota.

I can understand fans' critique of the photo if they don't like Whippy's suit or the actor(s) for whatever reasons they have but to go on from there and make statements such as "there's no way he could survive a fight with IM" or "the filmakers didn't make a well thought out decision" is a critique against the film and it's creators without the film even being released yet and having no information to go on at this early point. I'm trying to keep an open mind until I, at least, see enough to make an informed criticism. Anything less, imo, is pointless. After all, we are talking fantasy movie here and the writers can put in any variable they so choose in order to make the matchup more compelling and exciting....yes, even plausible. If they're good.

Then again, people have a right to critique a film that hasn't been released yet or the film makers, with no information to go on for whatever personal reasons they have but other people, such as myself, have a right to challenge those views.

 

[Mr. Earle]

A lot of times in the Iron Man threads it feels like I'm one of a very very tiny percentage that is actually a fan of the comics and not just the film.

So many people want so much changed from the comics or just ignored it's just stupid if you ask me to get into the character in the films even. I'm not one of those fanboys that wants it exactly like the comic(like I said you could make the dragon another machine/robot instead of being real)but there is a point to where some people seem like they want the films to be an IINO.

Honestly, other than the Mandarin at this point his rogues gallery isn't that great. I wouldn't mind them using Fin Fang Foom in the future.

What's IINO?

 

[Figs]

What's IINO?

I guess it should have been IMINO. Iron Man in name only.

I was exaggerating anyways, I know most of the people on here are not that bad. I just don't think Fin Fang Foom would be a stupid idea, just need to have some vision is all.

 

[kedrell]

A lot of times in the Iron Man threads it feels like I'm one of a very very tiny percentage that is actually a fan of the comics and not just the film.

So many people want so much changed from the comics or just ignored it's just stupid if you ask me to get into the character in the films even. I'm not one of those fanboys that wants it exactly like the comic(like I said you could make the dragon another machine/robot instead of being real)but there is a point to where some people seem like they want the films to be an IINO.

Honestly, other than the Mandarin at this point his rogues gallery isn't that great. I wouldn't mind them using Fin Fang Foom in the future.

I'd put someone like Madame Masque in the same category as Mandy. She's been on of IM's better villains and wouldn't be a armored rehash. I think IM's rogue's gallery, while not the best obviously, has a lot of room for reinterpretation which could make them more interesting and that seems to be exactly what Favs is doing with Whiplash.

Even Batman's rogue's gallery(when you get right down to it)is basically a bunch of psychologically disturbed gang leaders/crime bosses. In that sense they are pretty much the same.

Spider-Man's gallery is mostly guys/girls w/ animal fetishes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I never said you called the whole film crap. I pointed out that you judged this particular aspect as a mistake without knowing anything.

I havent once said the word mistake in regards to this, all I have said is that, I hope the writing is good enough to convince me that this guy can be a threat to Iron Man. I'm not going to take excuses like "Well if Iron Man shot him from a distance there wouldnt be much of a fight." I want the writing to come up with a plausible explanation for him giving Iron Man a challenge, judging from the suit pic (i.e, all we have to go on SO FAR) he doesnt LOOK like he could give him a challenge. I am so far dissapointed in the suit. I havent said they have made a mistake in this aspect at all, just that this aspect has not impressed me SO FAR.

That's the best any of us can hope for at this point.

And thats all I have been saying, just in a different way.

 

[DocHoliday]

"variable they so choose in order to make the matchup more compelling and exciting....yes, even plausible. If they're good." If there is a variable. Once again the debate thus far, is suit vs suit no other factors does Whiplash stand a chance. Your response was that we didn't know everything that the whips can do. Well we know what they can do in the comics (which is about all we can speculate) and they cannot beat what IM's suit did in the first film. Now they could have changed the abilities of the whips but, we don't know that. But I never once said that he filmmaker's made an error. I am pretty sure they had this very discussion when they designed the film, it'd only be smart.

It's common sense that a missile penetrating the skin and exploding would kill the person in question. Believe me I know the creative minds have taken this into consideration which is why I believe Tony is out of the suit when they fight like this. If one thing was learned from the first film, upgrades are part of the game. But as for saying the filmmaker's made an error, never did. Why? Because I think that this very conversation happened and they addressed it.

 

[redlion2]

I havent once said the word mistake in regards to this, all I have said is that, I hope the writing is good enough to convince me that this guy can be a threat to Iron Man. I'm not going to take excuses like "Well if Iron Man shot him from a distance there wouldnt be much of a fight." I want the writing to come up with a plausible explanation for him giving Iron Man a challenge, judging from the suit pic (i.e, all we have to go on SO FAR) he doesnt LOOK like he could give him a challenge. I am so far dissapointed in the suit. I havent said they have made a mistake in this aspect at all, just that this aspect has not impressed me SO FAR.




And thats all I have been saying, just in a different way.

AVEIT, you might not have used the specific word mistake but you did say that you didn't think they put a whole lot of thought in the villian. To me, that suggests a lack of sound, creative judgement on their part which, in turn, insinuates they made a mistake. If that isn't what you meant, then maybe I misunderstood you. I'm also hoping the writing is good enough so that scene(s) between the two are exciting and plausible.

If we're on the same page then it's all good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

AVEIT, you might not have used the specific word mistake but you did say that you didn't think they put a whole lot of thought in the villian. To me, that suggests a lack of sound, creative judgement on they're part which, in turn, insinuates they made a mistake. If that isn't what you meant, then maybe I misunderstood you. I'm also hoping the writing is good enough so that scene(s) between the two are exciting and plausible.

If we're on the same page then it's all good.

I didnt say that either, what I was saying was that I hope they have put a lot of thought into the villain as I am not going to accept an explanation of "Well if Iron Man repulsor blasted him the fight wouldnt last long." Which was actually a response to someone's post on here rather than anything the film-makers said. The film-makers havent addressed it yet and we may not know more until a trailer happens. I was just saying that so far, I dont like the look of Whiplash, as he doesnt look like someone who could give IM a challenge.

 

[redlion2]

If there is a variable. Once again the debate thus far, is suit vs suit no other factors does Whiplash stand a chance. Your response was that we didn't know everything that the whips can do. Well we know what they can do in the comics (which is about all we can speculate) and they cannot beat what IM's suit did in the first film. Now they could have changed the abilities of the whips but, we don't know that. But I never once said that he filmmaker's made an error. I am pretty sure they had this very discussion when they designed the film, it'd only be smart.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but in the Marvel Encyclopedia didn't they describe Whiplash's whips as being able to cut through metal? At least as far as the comics were concerned? Now, I'm not suggesting they will cut through IM's armor in the film, but it is possible they could at least do some damage to his suit. If this is the case, wouldn't it actually parallel the comic? And it's true, we still don't know how powerful the whips will be in the film. Actually, I wasn't meaning you as far as the "mistake"comment goes.

It's common sense that a missile penetrating the skin and exploding would kill the person in question. Believe me I know the creative minds have taken this into consideration which is why I believe Tony is out of the suit when they fight like this. If one thing was learned from the first film, upgrades are part of the game. But as for saying the filmmaker's made an error, never did. Why? Because I think that this very conversation happened and they addressed it.

Yes, I believe the creative team did the exact same thing.

 

[redlion2]

Not mention they are close range weapons, Tony could just blast him in half from 100 feet in the air. I just dont think they have put a lot of thought into this villain, from what I have seen SO FAR.

AVEIT, read your own words. THAT'S exactly what you said. Now, maybe that's not what you meant but that is what you said.

 

[DocHoliday]

Is that Crimson Dynamo in the game trailer?? I now I didn't see Whiplash in it.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Yep, that's him.

 

[DocHoliday]

Not sure what that means though. Would marvel show him this early if Whiplash became him??

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I doubt it matters, I don't think we're getting CD in the movie.