BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[DACrowe]

On the Nolan phoning it in, I think given that the plot is a bit more jumbled in Rises than in any of his other movies, he was phoning it in on the structure stage (though it has fewer plot holes than fans like to claim, it is just not nearly as tight as the other two Batman movies or Inception or Interstellar).

However, visually I thought his heart was still in it. I would argue Rises looks just as good as Batman Begins, though neither are of the caliber that he and Wally brought to the second film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There was nothing bad in it. But it also felt as if Wally was on auto pilot. There weren't any inspiring shots, like the first shot in Batman Begins of the monorail and the Wayne tower. Gorgeous.

 

[Kobra]

Honestly i wouldn't mind seeing Nolan's take on this universe. I really wouldn't. The stories would be a lot better, the characters would be a lot deeper and everything would just look cleaner and more realistic. I would take Nolan over Abrams. At least i know Nolan would try to push the envelope and give us something truly special.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Good god no. I doubt Nolan is anymore clued in about these characters than Snyder is.

What's most important is they find a director who loves these characters.

Look at the Russo Bros., they were nobodies. All they had was their love of Cap. That's how they got the gig and that's how they delivered TWS.

 

[SuperAl]

Yes it's a weird drop.

Don't know if it's Snyder, or Amir Mokri just being better than Larry Fong.

Thats funny because i remember everyone complaining about the "look" of MOS because of its cold looking color palette.

 

[king666]

Good god no. I doubt Nolan is anymore clued in about these characters than Snyder is.

What's most important is they find a director who loves these characters.

Look at the Russo Bros., they were nobodies. All they had was their love of Cap. That's how they got the gig and that's how they delivered TWS.

They should get someone who likes these characters. I mean, the deconstruction angle is fine, but that's not what DC needs right now. They need characters with actual charisma.

 

[LamboMan]

Ok so over in the NEW POSITIVITY thread someone posted this article a beautiful explanation of what this movie is vs what we expected it to be.

We should all read it for all our sakes and maybe we can stop hating on Snyder and appreciate another great movie by him.

Batman v Superman: the modern revenge tragedy

 

[DeadPresident]

Thats funny because i remember everyone complaining about the "look" of MOS because of its cold looking color palette.

Lots of revisionist history going on in here.

 

[craigdbfan]

Ok so over in the NEW POSITIVITY thread someone posted this article a beautiful explanation of what this movie is vs what we expected it to be.

We should all read it for all our sakes and maybe we can stop hating on Snyder and appreciate another great movie by him.

Batman v Superman: the modern revenge tragedy

It's wordy and lengthy but a good read for anyone interested in western mythology.

 

[craigdbfan]

I disagree completely that BvS isn't a good looking movie. It's messy but it's goddamn beautiful.

It's like a ridiculously pretty girl who is haunted by a dodgy past and unconventional clothing with piercings and tattoos everywhere. I think I just described BvS to be the film version of what we're probably gonna get from the DCCU Harley Quinn.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

 

[hafizbat]

Let's dispel the notion that Zack Snyder always delivers great visuals.

I'll grant him the costumes and props. I will NOT buy the myth that his movies always look amazing or that his action scenes are awesome.

300? The entire movie shot on a green screen and it was quite obvious. Gerard Butler's abs carried the visuals of that movie. And the slow-mo actions scenes are so corny it makes me laugh on repeat viewings.

I've only watched Watchmen one time, and I admit that it did look like a comic book come to life. The action scenes were again slow-mo and cheesy, with characters literally striking posing after every kick. Blech.

MOS. Probably his best-looking movie, but the gray filter ruins it. Action was once again lackluster, just punch-punch-punch. The plane scene alone in Superman Returns tops anything in MOS (or even BvS).

And BvS was easily the worst Snyder movie I've seen in terms of visuals. Wilkinson's suits were great. That's all. An even grayer and bleaker visual tone combined with a boring, boring BvS fight and trinity vs Doomsday fight, along with the headache-inducing desert and Batmobile chase scenes make this one of the worst looking CBMs to date. The Batman warehouse scene is the diamond in the rough. Everything in this movie looks like a small set piece, whether it's the one-room Lexcorp, the one-room lake house, the one-room Daily Planet, etc etc etc. I don't think we ever even got a shot of Metropolis or Gotham. I'm not as well-versed in filmmaking as some of you here, but it's quite apparent to me that Snyder does not live up to his reputation as some visual genius.

Give me this any day.

 

[titansupes]

Thanks! Yeah, I don't know why people think Snyder hates Superman. Maybe the forget that this is Snyder's vision like Bale's Batman was Nolan's.

Even though I never liked Nolan's Batman (except for in BB) I never thought that Nolan hated Batman. He definitely wasn't the Batman from the comics ("Anyone can be Batman" lol no pls) but I never thought that Nolan was purposely reducing Batman to a weak schmuck for kicks.

That was his version of Batman and I can respect what he was trying to do with it even though I didn't agree with it.

That's not what he said, and completely changes the meaning of the scene.

 

[titansupes]

Let's dispel the notion that Zack Snyder always delivers great visuals.

I'll grant him the costumes and props. I will NOT buy the myth that his movies always look amazing or that his action scenes are awesome.

300? The entire movie shot on a green screen and it was quite obvious. Gerard Butler's abs carried the visuals of that movie. And the slow-mo actions scenes are so corny it makes me laugh on repeat viewings.

I've only watched Watchmen one time, and I admit that it did look like a comic book come to life. The action scenes were again slow-mo and cheesy, with characters literally striking posing after every kick. Blech.

MOS. Probably his best-looking movie, but the gray filter ruins it. Action was once again lackluster, just punch-punch-punch. The plane scene alone in Superman Returns tops anything in MOS (or even BvS).

And BvS was easily the worst Snyder movie I've seen in terms of visuals. Wilkinson's suits were great. That's all. An even grayer and bleaker visual tone combined with a boring, boring BvS fight and trinity vs Doomsday fight, along with the headache-inducing desert and Batmobile chase scenes make this one of the worst looking CBMs to date. The Batman warehouse scene is the diamond in the rough. Everything in this movie looks like a small set piece, whether it's the one-room Lexcorp, the one-room lake house, the one-room Daily Planet, etc etc etc. I don't think we ever even got a shot of Metropolis or Gotham. I'm not as well-versed in filmmaking as some of you here, but it's quite apparent to me that Snyder does not live up to his reputation as some visual genius.

Give me this any day.

I've said for years that I'll take Nolan's visuals (along with Abrams, Spielberg and a bunch others) over Snyder's any day.

 

[BatLobster]

I prefer Nolan's visuals too, though I suppose it's also a matter of whether you prefer naturalism or surrealism. I think Nolan managed to find the iconography within the naturalism though which to me, is very impressive. But Snyder can frame a pretty shot, I'll give him that. The opening few shots of the Knightmare sequence were astonishing in IMAX.

 

[craigdbfan]

Eh BvS is beautiful and so were the Nolan Batman films. Like you mentioned BLR the difference is in it's approach. Nolan relishes in the natural and real while Snyder loves the awkward, weird and pastel surreal look.

Two very different approaches that tickle me in different areas.

The fall in the well scene while being "technically" the same action are done incredibly different by Nolan and Snyder, not only visually but thematically. One Wayne is horrified and scared by the bats and saved by his still living father and is only able to cope years later and the other is ominously shrouded and lifted by a ruthless ideology of terror and darkness with no living parents in sight.

I love stuff like that.

 

[hafizbat]

If I had to make a great-looking commercial or one-shot, I would choose Snyder. If I had to make a great-looking movie, I would choose a dozen others over Snyder.

 

[DA_Champion]

Thats funny because i remember everyone complaining about the "look" of MOS because of its cold looking color palette.

No, not everybody, a huge number of people said it was a beautiful movie to look at.

Don't make stuff up.

 

[matt47]

I prefer Nolan's visuals too, though I suppose it's also a matter of whether you prefer naturalism or surrealism. I think Nolan managed to find the iconography within the naturalism though which to me, is very impressive. But Snyder can frame a pretty shot, I'll give him that. The opening few shots of the Knightmare sequence were astonishing in IMAX.

This. I personally prefer naturalism. Can't stand it when things that could easily look real look fake because "visuals".

 

[The Guard]

I think a lot of people still just think Snyder is too "different" from a visual standpoint. Meanwhile, with the exception of filters, his visual work seems to be embraced almost across the board, and his influence is seeping into other action/comic book films. It's odd. Slo-mo action sequences were loathed a few years ago. Not so much anymore.

All these interviews, podcasts, etc, I think he's here to stay. At least for JUSTICE LEAGUE.

 

[DACrowe]

There was nothing bad in it. But it also felt as if Wally was on auto pilot. There weren't any inspiring shots, like the first shot in Batman Begins of the monorail and the Wayne tower. Gorgeous.

I disagree to an extent. I thought most of his shots of Gotham post-Bane takeover in the snow were quite stunning. Like the Tumbler riding through the first snow, the cars piled up, the shot of Catwoman driving the Bat-pod in the pre-dawn hours, the Robespierre court that Scarecrow oversees in its first introduction, the look of the water on the Bat-suit when Bane was beating on him on the ground, for that matter the look of Batman on the highway when the GCPD chopper lights him, the way he films Bruce in the Bats (CGI though they may be) while he is standing on the ledge...

Let us just say I disagree. But in terms of script, I think it still holds up better than most blockbusters, but it is probably weaker than most of his scripts. Though even then, I still prefer it to Insomnia form way back when.

 

[Sawyer]

Eh BvS is beautiful and so were the Nolan Batman films. Like you mentioned BLR the difference is in it's approach. Nolan relishes in the natural and real while Snyder loves the awkward, weird and pastel surreal look.

Two very different approaches that tickle me in different areas.

The fall in the well scene while being "technically" the same action are done incredibly different by Nolan and Snyder, not only visually but thematically. One Wayne is horrified and scared by the bats and saved by his still living father and is only able to cope years later and the other is ominously shrouded and lifted by a ruthless ideology of terror and darkness with no living parents in sight.

I love stuff like that.

Yep.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I've always hated this shot. Like, irrationally.

 

[Logan0327]

i loved the way nolan's visuals look but thats not the type of DCU i want

snyder's visuals remind me of DCU Online thats how i want it to look like


DCU Online

BVS

 

[DA_Champion]

Why?