BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[DACrowe]

i loved the way nolan's visuals look but thats not the type of DCU i want

snyder's visuals remind me of DCU Online thats how i want it to look like


DCU Online

BVS

It certainly does look like a video game.

 

[bluearth]

One of the best things that I like about how Snyder films action sequences continued in this film - the complete lack of quick cuts

The Knightmare Batman action sequence was just one cut, and it went on forever. Brilliant. No fast cuts and shaky cam.

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[matt47]

One of the best things that I like about how Snyder films action sequences continued in this film - the complete lack of quick cuts

The Knightmare Batman action sequence was just one cut, and it went on forever. Brilliant. No fast cuts and shaky cam.

While that was an awesome shot. You can tell why action scenes have cuts.

 

[Tony Gunk]

The Doomsday fight is full of quick cuts.

It's a frantic, quick cut, digital scramble. It's really hard to get into it with the way it's done. Wonder Woman has all the best bit's though.

 

[matt47]

The Doomsday fight is full of quick cuts.

It's a frantic, quick cut, digital scramble. It's really hard to get into it with the way it's done. Wonder Woman has all the best bit's though.

Still think they should have had Bats going for the spear instead of standing there with his dick in his hand. Would've been great if he saved Lois as well! Give him something to do!

 

[lukebrodyg]

Let's dispel the notion that Zack Snyder always delivers great visuals.

I'll grant him the costumes and props. I will NOT buy the myth that his movies always look amazing or that his action scenes are awesome.

300? The entire movie shot on a green screen and it was quite obvious. Gerard Butler's abs carried the visuals of that movie. And the slow-mo actions scenes are so corny it makes me laugh on repeat viewings.

I've only watched Watchmen one time, and I admit that it did look like a comic book come to life. The action scenes were again slow-mo and cheesy, with characters literally striking posing after every kick. Blech.

MOS. Probably his best-looking movie, but the gray filter ruins it. Action was once again lackluster, just punch-punch-punch. The plane scene alone in Superman Returns tops anything in MOS (or even BvS).

And BvS was easily the worst Snyder movie I've seen in terms of visuals. Wilkinson's suits were great. That's all. An even grayer and bleaker visual tone combined with a boring, boring BvS fight and trinity vs Doomsday fight, along with the headache-inducing desert and Batmobile chase scenes make this one of the worst looking CBMs to date. The Batman warehouse scene is the diamond in the rough. Everything in this movie looks like a small set piece, whether it's the one-room Lexcorp, the one-room lake house, the one-room Daily Planet, etc etc etc. I don't think we ever even got a shot of Metropolis or Gotham. I'm not as well-versed in filmmaking as some of you here, but it's quite apparent to me that Snyder does not live up to his reputation as some visual genius.

Give me this any day.

I don't doubt that you believe this but I just don't understand it.

While I appreciate what Singer did with that scene, it ultimately came off as if stopping a plane was too much for Superman to handle.

The Krytpon action, the Smallville fight and Doomsdsy fight all top this to me.

 

[DeadPresident]

Still think they should have had Bats going for the spear instead of standing there with his dick in his hand. Would've been great if he saved Lois as well! Give him something to do!

You mean besides weakening Doomsday so it could be killed?

 

[matt47]

You mean besides weakening Doomsday so it could be killed?

I meant before the final blows from the heroes.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Still think they should have had Bats going for the spear instead of standing there with his dick in his hand. Would've been great if he saved Lois as well! Give him something to do!

After Batman basically made Superman his puppet in the fight, I was glad he realistically had to just dodge and wait during the Doomsday fight. Otherwise it would have felt like the Batman show.

 

[matt47]

After Batman basically made Superman his puppet in the fight, I was glad he realistically had to just dodge and wait during the Doomsday fight. Otherwise it would have felt like the Batman show.

I liked that he didn't even try to **** with DD. But I thought it would have been good to see him grappling over to the spear while the other two were fighting DD.

 

[DKDetective]

One of the best things that I like about how Snyder films action sequences continued in this film - the complete lack of quick cuts

The Knightmare Batman action sequence was just one cut, and it went on forever. Brilliant. No fast cuts and shaky cam.

I felt the opposite about the Batmobile chase. It was felt really cut up, which really hurt it and stopped it from developing a nice beat and pacing. The camera also moved all over the place which really hurt one's ability to get a sense of the geography of the chase.

 

[P Supreme]

I loved every second of Watchmen and 300 and enjoyed Man of Steel

but BvS was a misfire for Snyder who I like as a director

I hope he stays on as a producer but someone else should direct the justice league movie

 

[hafizbat]

i loved the way nolan's visuals look but thats not the type of DCU i want

snyder's visuals remind me of DCU Online thats how i want it to look like


DCU Online

BVS

See, I agree with you in that I would love for the DCEU to look like the DCU online trailers. But I strongly disagree that that's what Snyder is giving us. I mean, putting them next to each other like that makes it clear as day. They aren't similar at all except that WW is in both. Just look at the difference in the colors, the clarity, and the overall framing. The video game is bright and colorful (while still maintaining a serious, grim feel), focusing on WW's movements. Compare that to Snyder's imagery, a complete mess of explosions and visual noise drowned in gray.

The type of imagery in the DC online trailer is much more similar to that of the MCU. That bit looks like it belongs in The Avengers, not BvS. Snyder uses a sledgehammer when scalpels are needed, for every aspect of filmmaking.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

One looks like an obvious video game trailer, the other looks like the SFX of a big budget film. I really could give a crap about the color gray being used.

 

[The Joker]

Let's dispel the notion that Zack Snyder always delivers great visuals.

I'll grant him the costumes and props. I will NOT buy the myth that his movies always look amazing or that his action scenes are awesome.

300? The entire movie shot on a green screen and it was quite obvious. Gerard Butler's abs carried the visuals of that movie. And the slow-mo actions scenes are so corny it makes me laugh on repeat viewings.

I've only watched Watchmen one time, and I admit that it did look like a comic book come to life. The action scenes were again slow-mo and cheesy, with characters literally striking posing after every kick. Blech.

MOS. Probably his best-looking movie, but the gray filter ruins it. Action was once again lackluster, just punch-punch-punch. The plane scene alone in Superman Returns tops anything in MOS (or even BvS).

And BvS was easily the worst Snyder movie I've seen in terms of visuals. Wilkinson's suits were great. That's all. An even grayer and bleaker visual tone combined with a boring, boring BvS fight and trinity vs Doomsday fight, along with the headache-inducing desert and Batmobile chase scenes make this one of the worst looking CBMs to date. The Batman warehouse scene is the diamond in the rough. Everything in this movie looks like a small set piece, whether it's the one-room Lexcorp, the one-room lake house, the one-room Daily Planet, etc etc etc. I don't think we ever even got a shot of Metropolis or Gotham. I'm not as well-versed in filmmaking as some of you here, but it's quite apparent to me that Snyder does not live up to his reputation as some visual genius.

Give me this any day.

Great post, sir

i loved the way nolan's visuals look but thats not the type of DCU i want

snyder's visuals remind me of DCU Online thats how i want it to look like


DCU Online

BVS

Wow....that does look real video gamey.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Am I the only one who wants Snyder to stay on as director for Justice League?

Personally, I really enjoyed Batman v Superman and a large part of my enjoyment is due to Snyder. Aside from the (yes) incredible visuals, with each shot so perfectly composed, and the perfect suit designs, I enjoy Snyder's whole creative approach.

He obviously appreciates the DC superheroes as modern myths, and the idea of gods and monsters informs a lot of BvS. That's the way the DC Universe should be portrayed, with its superheroes being akin to a pantheon of Greek gods. Snyder clearly understands that.

I also like his whole macho aesthetic. There's a lot of attention paid to the imposing physiques of the actors. Many found the sequence where Ben Affleck is lifting weights, hitting the tire, etc. to be gratuitous and pointless. But as both a comic nerd and fitness buff, I appreciate that element, which enriches what is ultimately (let's face it) a male power fantasy.

The brutal violence? Love it. I love how Snyder choreographs his fights and other action scenes. I love that this Batman doesn't hold back, and that's informed by Snyder's Frank Miller influence.

People complained that BvS was too "dark" and "joyless", but for me it simply took the characters seriously, and I appreciate that. I enjoy the Marvel films as much as anyone, but the constant quipping and jokes and lightheartedness can get a little tiresome after a while. I like that the DC Extended Universe has a different style.

And finally, I love the fact that Snyder embraces controversy. Say what you will about him, but you cannot accuse his films of being generic Hollywood fare. He has an unmistakable style, and he's not afraid to take chances with beloved characters like Batman and Superman. Of course a lot of that has to do with the screenwriters, but then you have to give Warner Bros. credit for not being afraid to take those chances and not playing it safe with these iconic characters by simply trying to copy Marvel (as they tried to do with Green Lantern, which proved to be a resounding failure).

Rather than the big blue Boy Scout (which is a perfectly acceptable interpretation - I love the classic Superman), Snyder gave us a more conflicted, flawed take on the character. Whatever your opinions, it's something new. He wasn't afraid to give us a Frank Miller Batman whose brutality even gives some fans pause. Just as we had the debate about the consequences of Superman's actions in MOS, so we're now debating the consequences of Batman's in BvS.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Wow....that does look real video gamey.

It certainly does look like a video game.

So much of this movie does

And so much more of it just looks like comic book splash pages with people striking poses.

 

[The Joker]

More style than substance is what the movie is. A pretty looking but hollow product.

 

[Poni_Boy]

More style than substance is what the movie is. A pretty looking but hollow product.

We were promised more

 

[BH/HHH]

I truly hope Snyder gets to complete his trilogy, he's 2 for 2 for me.

I hope he stays on beyond as a producer to

 

[bluearth]

Am I the only one who wants Snyder to stay on as director for Justice League?

Personally, I really enjoyed Batman v Superman and a large part of my enjoyment is due to Snyder.

No your not the only one. Snyder has done a fine job with the DC film universe so far. Even the best directors can struggle when tasked to introduce a bunch of characters and tease future storylines. Joss Whedon and Age of Ultron is an example of this.

My fear is that Justice League Part 1 will again ask alot. Even if it does, I hope Snyder learns from my biggest criticism of BvS, that being the heroes in the film didnt get equal treatment in terms of things to do. If you watch the Avengers film even a 'minor' character like Hawkeye had things to do from the very beginning to the very end.

More style than substance is what the movie is. A pretty looking but hollow product.

Superman, Batman, and Lex are three conflicted, interesting characters who grapple with serious concerns about the world we live in.

Maybe you could say a weakness of Snyder is that he doesnt drive these points home with exposition like Christopher Nolan. They're just there, you have to look for them. Thats one of the many reasons people are liking the film more with repeat viewings.

 

[The Joker]

We were promised more

He'd probably say something like promises are made to be broken

Superman, Batman, and Lex are three conflicted, interesting characters who grapple with serious concerns about the world we live in.

Maybe you could say a weakness of Snyder is that he doesnt drive these points home with exposition like Christopher Nolan. They're just there, you have to look for them. Thats one of the many reasons people are liking the film more with repeat viewings.

Oh no, Snyder went far more overboard with exposition in this than the worst examples of Nolan's. How many times did we suffer speeches about gods and men, washed in with a bunch of political hoo-ha.

There was nothing interesting about Batman or Superman's conflict, what little conflict there was, and there was certainly nothing interesting about that cartoon character called Lex Luthor, who's motives were so vague and half baked. Affleck's Batman is essentially on the trail of a super villain the whole movie, but mostly just lets him do whatever, doesn't question his motives or intentions, because the only thing he cares about is getting Kryptonite to fight Superman. So much of the film is contrived to position Batman in this murder plot. Superman can't say a word at the hearing because it might reveal his basic decency. Batman has to be a oafish moron because if he has the foresight to look into the guy he plans to murder it might seem like a bad idea. Bruce can't investigate the senate bombing because he might accidentally discover the whole thing was a set up. Superman makes uncharacteristic threats towards Batman because Batman has to be convinced he's dangerous.

And it all gets resolved because of "Martha" lol. You'd find better writing on the back of a cereal box.

 

[Leenie]

I actually would watch this movie ... With a different director, of course.

 

[Aejej]

While I appreciate what Singer did with that scene, it ultimately came off as if stopping a plane was too much for Superman to handle.

Thanks for saying that. Superman wasn't too "super" in that movie. Maybe it was the MAD Magazine version of Superman. I dunno.