The Order: 1886

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't see them as being insecure about the game at all. In fact, they seem VERY confident in the quality of their game. They just seem tired of the complaints about a game 99% of the commentators haven't even played yet.

They raise a perfectly valid point about quantity versus quality and this is coming from someone who thinks these types of games should be 15-20 hours long. Theyve said time and time again that the average game time will be 8-10 hours (average for this genre) which is shorter than what I would like, but is reasonable. I'd rather have a 8 hour game that is solid and fun than a 30 hour game that is lacking in consistent quality. Note that I'm not arguing about the actual merits of the game since I have no idea yet, but more so the logic behind the stance. We'll see what this game is like when it actually comes out.

And yes, he's exacrly right about the Internet being the new playground for bullies. Look at Twitter, YouTube...hell everywhere. You can blindly toss a stone into the air and hit some self-righteous, self-absorbed asshate spewing hate because they think it's funny or think they deserve something they aren't getting. It's disgusting.

I don't think Chris Nolan would spend time "defending" his vision by complaining about consumers.

 

[TheVileOne]

Meh, not quite the same thing, invalid comparison. These so-called customers haven't even actually played the game yet. All this is based on rumors and leaked videos that might not play the whole complete picture.

They also confirmed that the game lasts about 7 hours on Easy Mode, meaning that it will probably be as short as the rumored 5 hour length on normal difficulty.The score tha t they gave the game came down to 15/20 (no, I don’t understand why they use the 20 point scale either), which translates to 7.5/10, which sounds about right (and is honestly right about where I am expecting most scores for the game to land).

That makes no sense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Skywalker, the things about the game being bad might be true. However, some of these comments are being taken out of context. When Dana Jan was talking about quality and quantity, he was asked a question about quality of gameplay vs. game length gameplay. He was not specifically responding to the length of the game rumors.

I understand his point. It is a false comparison. There are plenty of games out there that have both. Those are the $100 streak. The thick, juicy, beautiful cuts that leave you satisfied. He is clearly trying to imply his game is quality. From everything I have seen, that isn't the case. It is not just about the length of the game either.

And he did respond to the game length rumors and has done so more then once.

Also, I actually agree with everything he said about the internet being a wellspring of negativity and hate.

People use the internet and the sort of anonymous veil it gives us to be completely hateful rude and mean.

I don't disagree with this. But he is runs a video game studio. He is not a teenager being persecuted by a bunch of horrible people. If you can't take criticism, chances are you aren't going to last long. This stuff is clearly getting to him, to a point that he is saying OTT stuff.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Christopher Nolan is a movie director whose pants are constantly soaking wet with the drool of fan boys. That, and he is not connected to social media the way game developers are where the gaming community is a particularly vicious and vocal lot. You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Meh, not quite the same thing, invalid comparison. These so-called customers haven't even actually played the game yet. All this is based on rumors and leaked videos that might not play the whole complete picture.

How so? People talk about Nolan's movies years out. Need we be reminded of the Heath Ledger situation? You win people over with quality. IF the game comes out of Friday, we won't have a problem. But considering what I watched, I see it as a massive problem. And not just in terms of the game's length. I am talking gameplay and bad storytelling.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Christopher Nolan is a movie director whose pants are constantly soaking wet with the drool of fan boys. That, and he is not connected to social media the way game developers are where the gaming community is a particularly vicious and vocal lot. You're comparing apples to oranges.

That is a choice. You don't have to do it. Why does he have to? Nolan unplugged a long time ago. Do you think Kojima sits around stewing over people's dislike for some of his games?

On the otherhand, I have seen movie writers and directors lose their minds, and get into arguments on the internet. See what happened to the latest Star Trek sequel.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I understand his point. It is a false comparison. There are plenty of games out there that have both. Those are the $100 streak. The thick, juicy, beautiful cuts that leave you satisfied. He is clearly trying to imply his game is quality. From everything I have seen, that isn't the case. It is not just about the length of the game either.

And he did respond to the game length rumors and has done so more then once.


I don't disagree with this. But he is runs a video game studio. He is not a teenager being persecuted by a bunch of horrible people. If you can't take criticism, chances are you aren't going to last long. This stuff is clearly getting to him, to a point that he is saying OTT stuff.

No, he is not a teenager being attacked by horrible people, he is a game developer trying to do what he loves and bring entertainment to people and he is being attacked by horrible people. I would lose patience too, if I were being harassed by the gaming community for rumors that I have repeatedly had to deny. All that being said, I have not read a single thing that would suggest he is whining or spoken out of turn. Even if he did, he's human too. You can't harrass and hate on someone over and over and then get upset if they say anything about it. Crimeny.

 

[TheVileOne]

I really don't want to get into a big debate here. I feel a game like this should be about 16-20 hours long at least, especially brand new.

I remember playing through Resident Evil 4 on the PS4, it had so much cool stuff. After beating the game, I got two Ada Wong stories that were like extra, not even DLC. Plus lots of other cool extras. I was so excited about that. It felt like that game was totally worthy of a new purchase.

The Arkham games, even after you do all the campaign and extra side quest stuff, you can continue exploring more of the sandbox and find more easter eggs. You also get to play through unique challenge maps for objective based challenges. The PS3 version gave you the Joker for challenge maps. Arkham City gave you Robin, Nightwing, and Catwoman. Granted really just Catwoman who was the free pre-order bonus, but there was plenty in that game already.

I mean this game could be a big disappointment. I just kind of see where Dana Jan is coming from on some of his points, and he's not really wrong about the internet.

The whole Gamergate thing was really just disgusting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really don't want to get into a big debate here. I feel a game like this should be about 16-20 hours long at least, especially brand new.

I remember playing through Resident Evil 4 on the PS4, it had so much cool stuff. After beating the game, I got two Ada Wong stories that were like extra, not even DLC. Plus lots of other cool extras. I was so excited about that. It felt like that game was totally worthy of a new purchase.

The Arkham games, even after you do all the campaign and extra side quest stuff, you can continue exploring more of the sandbox and find more easter eggs. You also get to play through unique challenge maps for objective based challenges. The PS3 version gave you the Joker for challenge maps. Arkham City gave you Robin, Nightwing, and Catwoman. Granted really just Catwoman who was the free pre-order bonus, but there was plenty in that game already.

So no one is disagreeing. t:

I mean this game could be a big disappointment. I just kind of see where Dana Jan is coming from on some of his points, and he's not really wrong about the internet.

My point is that he is deflecting, changing the argument. The internet being full of bullies doesn't change the quality of their game. Though I do agree there are people who are going to hate this just because it is Sony, there are just as many if not more who will love it just because of that.

The whole Gamergate thing was really just disgusting.

I do not disagree, but this is also a very different thing. The complaints here are about a game and its qualities. It has also sparked once again why such a game is full retail.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, he is not a teenager being attacked by horrible people, he is a game developer trying to do what he loves and bring entertainment to people and he is being attacked by horrible people. I would lose patience too, if I were being harassed by the gaming community for rumors that I have repeatedly had to deny. All that being said, I have not read a single thing that would suggest he is whining or spoken out of turn. Even if he did, he's human too. You can't harrass and hate on someone over and over and then get upset if they say anything about it. Crimeny.

So anyone that criticizes his game is a horrible person? These are not rumors. It is out there, that is the entire point. Yeah, you can paint it as some horrible smear campaign if you ignore the fact that the game is out in the wild and viewable for anyone to see.

Again, do you think Miyamoto and Kojima sit around doing this?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do wonder if they actually ever read stuff online. I imagine Kojima does.

Miyamoto, I doubt.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I do wonder if they actually ever read stuff online. I imagine Kojima does.

Miyamoto, I doubt.

Kojima implies that he does. At least that is what I remember. But he never does anything like this. Miyamoto is too busy building castles out of stacks of cash.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The reviews are in, and it is getting killed. Not simply for its length, but the narrative, pacing and most importantly, its gameplay. You spend a lot of time not doing anything in a very short game.

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/the-order-1886-review/1900-6416033/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/19/the-order-1886-review

The Verdict

The basic conflict at the heart of The Order: 1886 is that considerations for a cinematic approach are prioritized above the needs of basic gameplay. Its best aspects are its stunning looks, atmosphere, and style – which are truly fantastic – and entertaining fiction. But the shallow, slow, and generic quick-time event-riddled gameplay make it feel like an experience that would've been better served by a non-interactive movie than a game. With no multiplayer, and no reason to revisit the short and stunted single-player campaign once it’s been completed, there just isn’t a lot to it.

http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/the-order-1886-review/1900-698/

There are things here worth checking out, but the action feels half-cocked and you'll be finished with it in an afternoon. I won't pretend to guess at how much $60 means to you, dear reader, but I will say that The Order is a middling experience with a couple of bright flashes that only serve to remind you that this could be a more interesting game if more of its ideas were fully formed. If you're bent on seeing The Order for yourself, you should probably rent it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-19-the-order-1886-review

It's shallow fun while it lasts, but The Order feels dated before its time. Despite being the PlayStation 4's new poster child, the latest pretty face for the new generation, Ready at Dawn's truncated epic feels like a product of the year of its inception - a time when the world was in thrall to Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain, and before the prescribed dramatics of Quantic Dream turned sour with Beyond: Two Souls. The result is an earnest game, sometimes disarmingly so. There are no levelling weapons, no branching narrative decisions, no litany of unlockables - and there's absolutely no reason to return once it's all over.

The Order: 1886 isn't a disaster, nor is it a particularly good game. It's a hollow diversion, entertaining but outmoded and caught somewhere between a medium it repeatedly fumbles and one it fails to effectively embrace.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/19/8063559/the-order-1886-review-PS4-playstation-4-exclusive

The Order doesn't offer much that other games aren't doing better

Galahad's story, such as it is, concludes so rapidly and with so few loose threads tied off, it's hard to shake the feeling that someone somewhere decided that it was time for the knight and his cohorts to get out into the world whether they were ready or not. Though it nails some of the fundamentals, The Order: 1886 has been released without answering the essential question of what it offers that other games aren't already doing better . Everything about the game's final shot screams "sequel set up," but unless The Order finds some non-aesthetic reasons to justify its existence, it's hard to imagine coming back for a second adventure.

http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-order-1886-287624.phtml

http://www.gamesradar.com/the-order-1886-review/

http://kotaku.com/the-order-1886-the-kotaku-review-1686595338

http://www.pushsquare.com/reviews/ps4/order_1886

The Order: 1886 is an antique that's aged ungracefully. The presentation is sublime from the release's rousing start right the way through to its anticlimactic finish, but several shoddy design decisions detract from its otherwise exemplary gloss. The developer's crafted an incredible universe, but outside of the title's core cast, it's failed to do much of note with it. This is a property that's begging for a sequel to realise its undeniable potential – but only time will determine whether it gets that opportunity.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...The-Order-1886-Review-PS4-Console-Exclusive.2

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/19/the-order-1886-review-victorian-folly-5069748/

In Short: Beneath the technical wonder this is just a dull, aimless Gears Of War clone – where the attempts at storytelling are just as boring and lifeless as the action.

Pros: Amazing graphics, that are the best yet on the PlayStation 4. The third person combat is relatively competent and the QTEs are some of the better examples of their breed.

Cons: Unbearably boring from its first moments, with an underwritten script, bland characters, and repetitive and overfamilar action. No replay value or additional game modes.

Score: 4/10

http://www.thejimquisition.com/2015/02/the-order-1886-review/

Fantastic teaser… can’t wait for the actual game to come out.

Yeah, I knew they were being way too defensive.

 

[Spider-Who?]

So anyone that criticizes his game is a horrible person? These are not rumors. It is out there, that is the entire point. Yeah, you can paint it as some horrible smear campaign if you ignore the fact that the game is out in the wild and viewable for anyone to see.

Again, do you think Miyamoto and Kojima sit around doing this?

No, not everyone is a horrible person and you know what I meant. There are ways to express displeasure that don't involve being a jack ass.

And yes, Kojima has had to defend his creative decisions ad nauseam like this guy. Look at the character design controversy for MGSV, but even then, he's a beloved designer. Look at nearly every female designer as well. Death threats, hacks...being a game designer or working for a company does NOT miraculously protect you from the human emotions and responses to online harassment. (And no, I am NOT comparing the severity of rape/death threats of female developers to RaD's situation - I'm mentioning it to illustrate a point).

All this being said, I've read the reviews and am disappointed but not surprised. I still want to play this game, but it definitely doesn't appear to be worth full price. I've got some old games I no longer play - will probably trade them in to cover the cost of the game.

 

[JaD]

Not surprised either after all this early hoopla, was expecting some 6's & 7's across the board and it seems like it's about there. So essentially, Ryse for PS4.

And Darth, you put all that together for us?

 

[Superhero 101]

I'll wait when it's free on ps plus

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, not everyone is a horrible person and you know what I meant. There are ways to express displeasure that don't involve being a jack ass.

And yes, Kojima has had to defend his creative decisions ad nauseam like this guy. Look at the character design controversy for MGSV, but even then, he's a beloved designer. Look at nearly every female designer as well. Death threats, hacks...being a game designer or working for a company does NOT miraculously protect you from the human emotions and responses to online harassment. (And no, I am NOT comparing the severity of rape/death threats of female developers to RaD's situation - I'm mentioning it to illustrate a point).

I think there is a difference between defending yourself and explaining your creative decisions and what happened here.

Are there people being harsh, heck ridiculous? Yes. But this is not an uncommon theme. This is classic deflection, to change the subject. The internet is full of bullies and situations where people are threatened is horrible. But what does that have to do with RAD making a bad game?

People calling them crappy developers who wasted time making a bad game is now the height of bullying? That doesn't wash with me at all. Especially when a few a few days later their game is reviewed poorly. Do you think this would have happened if they expected their game to reviewed well? If the early leak was met with praise, not scorn? I don't think so.

All this being said, I've read the reviews and am disappointed but not surprised. I still want to play this game, but it definitely doesn't appear to be worth full price. I've got some old games I no longer play - will probably trade them in to cover the cost of the game.

I am still quite curious about actually playing it. But I can't pay this much for it. I'll wait till it is $30.

Not surprised either after all this early hoopla, was expecting some 6's & 7's across the board and it seems like it's about there. So essentially, Ryse for PS4.

And Darth, you put all that together for us?

Thank Neogaf.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Well damn. Guess I'll waitvfor it to go on sale

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Not surprised either after all this early hoopla, was expecting some 6's & 7's across the board and it seems like it's about there. So essentially, Ryse for PS4.

And Darth, you put all that together for us?

tbh, that's what I was expecting too. a lot of playstation's exclusives been getting bad scores. I was hoping the order would be a surprise, but it came with what I expected.

welp, I guess i'll be waiting for bloodborne

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

EDIT: nvm. shady

 

[Havok83]

Looks like I dodged a bullet. I nearly preordered

 

[Quasimod0]

Another game to not buy. :/

 

[zenith16]

so here are some of the last of the reviews one is a bit weird mind you

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  Ready at Dawn's alternate history adventure is a cinematic tour de force, but suffers from limited and outdated gameplay.
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source: GI& GT

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

 

[Destructus86]

I feel that the developers really wanted to go towards more of a story driven, interactive experience much like Telltale Games...which isn't a bad thing. The problem was that the developers didn't go far enough. By half-assing it they failed to really engage the player in anything. I think if they had added in dialogue options that had an impact on where the story went (like Telltale) this game would have been much more engaging to the player and more fun.