The Phantom Zone: Superman 🚨SPOILER🚨 Discussion (NO TAGS)

[hopefuldreamer]

So... we buying this?

 

[GreenKToo]

So... we buying this?

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Good lord. No. I doubt even bay or Snyder would try such a stupid thing.

 

[flickchick85]

So... we buying this?

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Yep. And ViewerAnon said it played extremely well, and even the people he heard from who weren't so hot on the movie thought that part was great. It's a gag. Context is everything, folks!

 

[GreenKToo]

Hope so. I guess it plays better than it sounds.

 

[Gu3ree]

I'm starting to speculate that the reason Superman is sitting on a chair with Lois by the window as that beam of light is causing havoc outside in the city is because Superman has a restraining order not to use his powers because he interfered with a war. Or he is just powered down.

 

[emielaen]

That leak is major silver age silliness that I can see Gunn running with. I highly doubt its this major, core plot point like detractors want to run with.

I can see that EASILY getting big "wth" laughs though. And other people who think Superman is ultra serious will say its the worse thing ever. Can't please everyone.

 

[Gu3ree]

Looking back on The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, overall, I think the humor works just for those medias, but I admit at times, some content in between felt a bit unnecessary. Overall, it was forgiven, given how fact-paced the dialogue scenes were. It would just keep going. One thing I recall from TSS that was a little...too much and kind of childish was King Shark burping out the...I don't know how to write this here...d#%%...

Well I wouldn't expect to see that in Gunn's Superman. It won't be R-rated. I hope Gunn has taken notes from here though. Take Joss Whedon for instance. Not that it's quite the same humor, but Whedon's "humor" or rather, lack thereof, often doesn't land well in his movies, especially his cut of Justice League...Joss Whedon's so-called "jokes" came out flat, awkward and just flat-out unfunny especially the "brunch" scenes.

The Snyder cut was very redeeming and free from all those dreadful unnecessary Joss Whedon bits. It was also a good idea that Snyder took out that "I hear you can talk to fish" line out, even though Snyder originally shot that.

I'm not against humor, and I wish Snyder had more of it in Man of Steel, and even BvS. The Dark Knight trilogy by comparison had way more humor in it. In BvS though, that one moment where Martha said she figured Batman was her son's friend because of, "the cape." That was absolutely hilarious for such a dark and underwhelming movie experience that should have been epic and fulfilling.

I hope Gunn's Superman's humor isn't like Guardians of the Galaxy either, but somewhere in between. Look at the way Adrian Chase was portrayed in Peacemaker versus Arrow's version. I just now remembered that Gunn liked neither Tim Burton's or Christopher Nolan's Batman.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So... we buying this?

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This version of Lex seems very extra. Like, I am sure you could accomplish the same thing with regular humans typing away at their computers on earth.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yep. And ViewerAnon said it played extremely well, and even the people he heard from who weren't so hot on the movie thought that part was great. It's a gag. Context is everything, folks!

Oh agreed. Tbh... I think it's funny without the context I mean... we live in a world of #diaperman... is it really so silly? (Mutant monkeys aside). I also always appreciate Lex being on a mission to destroy Superman's popularity, and it feels like a totally realistic tactic to me...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

So... i'd say everything we are seeing is matching up with the leaks, right?

 

[flickchick85]

Yep!

 

[Herolee10]

Judging from what's been leaked so far, it doesn't sound like Lex has some big nefarious plan in the film other than killing Superman. Personally, I really hope that there's more to Lex in this film other than him just being jealous of Superman.

 

[Lily Adler]

Judging from what's been leaked so far, it doesn't sound like Lex has some big nefarious plan in the film other than killing Superman. Personally, I really hope that there's more to Lex in this film other than him just being jealous of Superman.

Kill God, Become God is Lex.

 

[BrollySupersj]

The whole mutant monkey thing just seems...too silly for me. Now **** I ain't asking for more Synder darkness and grit. But...I don't know. Lex could achieve the SAME GOAL with bot server farms. If you're gonna use social media as some meta commentary joke bull****, then at least just make it simple and practical. Bot server farms, not a bunch of mutant monkeys.

That is really all the only thing I dislike from everything I've seen and read.

 

[GreenKToo]

I think it sounds silly, but admittedly, it may not be silly at all. I'm gonna wait and see.

 

[FNGWalrus]

Posted on these forums years back, made a new account and think I have the structure and general plot outline figured out based on the rumored leaks and trailers. Needless to say I'm very excited for this movie.

Here goes, with evidence cited:

Act I
- Boravia is invading Jarhanpur; Superman arrives and stops the invasion single-handedly
- The Hammer of Boravia (Ultraman in disguise) attacks Metropolis in apparent retaliation and defeats Superman (this speculation is based on Jimmy telling Clark that Superman got his a** kicked in the Hammer of Boravia TV spot)
- Superman flees to the Fortress of Solitude and heals (teaser/preview clip, James Gunn also said this scene is close to the opening of the film)
- Clark goes to The Daily Planet and here we are introduced to Lois and Jimmy (I think this takes place after the fight since in the Hammer of Boravia TV spot Lois is wearing the same outfit as when she "interviews" Superman)
- That night, Clark and Lois celebrate their anniversary, and Lois interviews Clark as Superman, setting up the central question of what it means to be good in a modern world of gray morality
- Meanwhile, Lex Luthor has already set his plot in motion to defeat Superman and grows a kaiju in the lab and releases it; he also captures Joey and forces Metamorpho to work for him
- The kaiju wreaks havoc on Metropolis, distracting Superman and the Justice Gang while Luthor, Ms. Tessmacher, Ultraman, and the Engineer infiltrate the Fortress of Solitude and steal recordings of Jor-El; it will likely be hinted here about who Ultraman is behind the mask when the Fortress appears to recognize him
- Superman and the Gang defeat or subdue the kaiju at great cost to the city, and Superman is heavily criticized by the public, likely for trying to stop the kaiju peacefully instead of killing it
- Superman returns to the Fortress after the kaiju fight and finds it has been raided (I think this takes place after the kaiju fight given his suit has the same battle damage while he is crouched over the robots)
- Superman knows Luthor is behind this but is unable to prove it; he confronts Luthor at LuthorCorp but can't do anything to apprehend him (I think this scene takes place after the kaiju fight given that his suit is still damaged during this office confrontation seen in the BTS videos)

Act II
- Luthor corrupts the hologram of Jor-El and portrays Superman as an alien sent to conquer the planet
- Rick Flag Sr., ARGUS, the Engineer, and Ultraman capture Superman after a protracted battle at the Metropolis Meteors stadium; Mr. Terrific tries to help Superman but is defeated
- Luthor sends Superman to the pocket dimension and interrogates him; Metamorpho is used to keep Superman powerless with kryptonite (as seen in the teaser, trailer, and the final trailer)
- Meanwhile, Jimmy Olsen finds out where Superman is being kept inadvertently through provocative texts seen by Ms. Tessmacher, who has a huge crush on him (rumored leaks)
- Lois presents this information to the Justice Gang, but Guy Gardner refuses to help (based on Lois being angry at him in the Guy Gardner BTS video; she's also wearing the same outfit she later when...)
- Lois and Mr. Terrific attack the portal leading to the pocket dimension, as seen in the teaser and main trailer (I'm not certain whether Guy and Hawkgirl have a change of heart and join the fray, as we do see Guy in a sandy area attacking soldiers and tanks, but that scene also looks a lot like Jarhanpur)
- Meanwhile, Superman convinces Metamorpho to help him escape, so Metamorpho generates sunlight that repowers Superman and allows him to break everyone out of the prison and rescue Joey
- Superman rendeavous with Lois and Mr. Terrific but is heavily drained by the effort, perhaps wounded
- Lois brings Clark back to the Kent farm to recuperate (this is based on the fact that she's still wearing the same T-shirt while she's watching over him and his parents)
- Clark is devastated by the revelations that he might have been sent to conquer the planet; Jonathan Kent tells Clark that his choices make him who he is (Father's Day TV spot)
- On the news, Luthor's portal to the pocket dimension has become unstable (probably due to some side experiments he's been conducting throughout the movie), opening a massive rift in Metropolis (trailer and final trailer); Luthor tries to stop it
- Clark sees this on the news and suits up again with his suit cleaned by Martha Kent (trailer)

Act III
- Superman arrives and tries to stop the destruction with the help of Mr. Terrific and Krypto (final trailer)
- Lois somehow gets involved along with The Daily Planet crew (they are flying Mr. Terrific's craft in the final trailer)
- Luthor is infuriated when Superman earns the support of the people; this leads to him deciding he'd rather let Metropolis die (in the final trailer, he says "They chose him, let them die!") and then orders Ultraman and his henchmen - the Raptors - to let the rift widen
- Superman, Krypto, and Mr. Terrific fight off the Raptors who try to impede their progress
- It is at this point Ultraman is revealed to be a deteriorated clone of Superman when he's unmasked (rumors, final trailer); perhaps Luthor loses control of Ultraman at some point, which could explain why his face is all cut up and his outfit is torn in the teaser
- Superman fights Ultraman/Bizarro and while also closing the portal, sealing his rival on the other side (in the trailer, Superman is flying through debris in a dark environment while dodging heat vision)
- Superman has a final confrontation with Luthor that leaves him shaken and broken
- Mr. Terrific leaves the Gang/corporate sponsorship to form his own team
- At the end of the film, Lois interviews Clark as Superman again, this time at his apartment (ViewerAnon said this scene is not at the end, but I honestly don't know where else it would fit, and also Lois is clearly in Clark's apartment and asks him "you have a dog?" while holding a recorder in her hand; she's wearing the same outfit in this moment as when she's hugging him)
- Clark suits up to join Guy Gardner and repelling the "inter dimensional parasite" (Solaris?) from Metropolis
- At some point, Supergirl arrives at the Fortress and picks up Krypto, setting the stage for her movie

Things I'm not sure of include:
- Hawkgirl tackling Stagg
- When and where Guy is attacking the soldiers on the sand
- What Lois and the DP crew are doing to help in the finale

 

[Nemeres]

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I do enjoy the fact that there's a breach of ethics in Clark covering Superman and choosing to write things about himself that are ultimately complimentary. Practicing "terrible" soundbites for interviews. It's the right dash of naive, but it just makes sense to use his platform to make it clear to people that he is not to be feared, despite the naysayers.

And the part of it that is self-serving and that shows his need for love and approval... it's cool because it shows he's a little damaged too and yearns to belong. It's interesting characterization however I look at it.

 

[flickchick85]

Fully expecting that interview scene to be my personal highlight of the movie. Everything we’ve seen from it so far has been utterly fantastic imo.

Feels like we’ll get more of Clark’s POV from that scene alone than we got from the last several movies he was in.