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Shedhut said:
lol, in what way are homosexuals your enemy/the ones who hate and curse you/mistreat you?:whatever:
People who practice homosexuality are living in ways that are blatantly against God's plan for their lives. God designed sex to bond a man and woman together in the covenant of marriage; that was (and still is) His original intent. But mankind has selfishly perverted it into something He never intended it to be, and God does not take that lightly. He loves the people themselves, but He's also both saddened and angry towards the way they are living.

All sin, regardless of specifics, serves one purpose at its core: rebellion against God. In that way, all sin is the same. There are differences, of course...but those differences don't make any sin less wrong in the eyes of God.

Homosexuality, while not any more or less wrong, is different from other sins like murder or stealing, because it entails living each day in a specific manner that goes against God. Scripture even says, "all other sins are outside the body, but sexual sin is a sin against your own body." I don't consider homosexual people my enemy, but I do consider the act and practice itself to be 100% wrong.
 
God designed sex to bond a man and woman together in the covenant of marriage; that was (and still is) His original intent.

Then why do men have a G-spot...:huh:

"all other sins are outside the body, but sexual sin is a sin against your own body.

Hmm, well, I would consider trying to force myself to have sex with someone I know full well I am not attracted to would be a "sin" against my own body and against myself.

I don't consider homosexual people my enemy

Well that's more magnanimous than I'm willing to be toward people who are determined to make me a second or third class citizen.
 
Schlosser85 said:
Chldren should not be rased to believe homophoba is morally acceptable.
What makes you think that everyone against homosexuality is motivated by fear? I don't think children should be raised to hate or fear homosexuals, but they should be taught that the practice of it is wrong.

Prejudice against homosexuals is not a "moral value", no matter how much the "Christian Right", most of whom don't give a flying f*** about God, try to dress it up as one, other than the petty shallow ignorant un-Christian bigotry that it is.
I don't advocate prejudice against anyone, but I also know that there are set limits of right and wrong which cannot be changed by man, no matter how many laws we try and set up for ourselves. We need to quit being comfortable with sin, and start fighting it. Continued failure to do so will only make things worse.
 
What makes you think that everyone against homosexuality is motivated by fear?

If you're not frightened by something you don't understand, or struggling to suppress your own homosexuality, there is really no reason to be concerned with who someone else finds attractive.

I don't advocate prejudice against anyone, but I also know that there are set limits of right and wrong which cannot be changed by man, no matter how many laws we try and set up for ourselves. We need to quit being comfortable with sin, and start fighting it. Continued failure to do so will only make things worse.

You don't advocate prejudice against homosexuals, but society needs to start fighting against them. And about making things worse, it's going to take more than two people who are already living together and many times are already married in all but name actually getting a piece of paper acknowledging what they already knew to bring about the downfall of civilization.
 
Mikelus said:
Moviefan has the typical "sheep mentality"...
Thanks. As King David himself once wrote, "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want."

...he needs a religion, a book, to tell him how to behave instead of thinking by himself.
What makes you think I haven't thought these things through? Do you assume that because I've chosen to go with God's stance on the matter?

What we need to be civilized and decent human beings to live in a better world is: respect yourself, respect other people, do not harm others unless you have no other choice.
Respect is all well and good, but there's a fine line between accepting the person, and accepting the sin. The latter should not be done.

We have to learn to live and let live, we don't need so many nonsensical rigid rules.
I often find it oddly amusing that people only think rules are "rigid" or "unfair" when they don't want to follow them. How does such a desire automatically make a rule wrong? Slavery wasn't abolished simply because people didn't like it; it was removed because people recognized there was wrongful oppression being done, and they sought to fix it.
 
People who practice homosexuality are living in ways that are blatantly against God's plan for their lives. God designed sex to bond a man and woman together in the covenant of marriage; that was (and still is) His original intent. But mankind has selfishly perverted it into something He never intended it to be, and God does not take that lightly. He loves the people themselves, but He's also both saddened and angry towards the way they are living.

All sin, regardless of specifics, serves one purpose at its core: rebellion against God. In that way, all sin is the same. There are differences, of course...but those differences don't make any sin less wrong in the eyes of God.

Homosexuality, while not any more or less wrong, is different from other sins like murder or stealing, because it entails living each day in a specific manner that goes against God. Scripture even says, "all other sins are outside the body, but sexual sin is a sin against your own body." I don't consider homosexual people my enemy, but I do consider the act and practice itself to be 100% wrong.

I still don't think waiting until you're marry to have sex is a good thing, sexual compatability is a huge part of a marriage and to wait until after you're married to see if you're sexually compatable is a huge gamble. Couples practice every other part of being together as man and wife, why not that as well.
 
Schlosser85 said:
If you're not frightened by something you don't understand...
We al suffer from that at some point, but that doesn't mean every stance against a subject is done out of fear. I understand homosexuality's true nature; it's a perversion, used by Satan to divide people that God intended to bond together.

...or struggling to suppress your own homosexuality...
I'm not gay, and that's the truth, whether you believe me or not.

...there is really no reason to be concerned with who someone else finds attractive.
Except for the fact that God says it's wrong, which is reason enough to stand against it.

You don't advocate prejudice against homosexuals, but society needs to start fighting against them.
No, what I said is we need to stand against the sin, not the people. The enemy is not one of flesh and blood, but of principalities, powers, and forces of darkness. That's what God calls all people to fight against...but they can't do that if they refuse to follow Him.
 
Slavery wasn't abolished simply because people didn't like it; it was removed because people recognized there was wrongful oppression being done, and they sought to fix it.

St. Paul, who called homosexuality the epitome of sin, also called slavery an acceptable social practice, and said slaves should obey their masters. Yea, there's someone who's idea of right and wrong is soooo relevant.
 
amazingfantasy15 said:
I still don't think waiting until you're marry to have sex is a good thing, sexual compatability is a huge part of a marriage and to wait until after you're married to see if you're sexually compatable is a huge gamble. Couples practice every other part of being together as man and wife, why not that as well.
For people who always use that "compatibility" excuse, I have one thing to say: look down. If you're a man, and she's a woman...you're compatible! God created men and women to compliment each other in every way, even sexually. But like many other things in life, skill in lovemaking is not something you are born with; it is learned over time, and God intends for men and women to go through that journey together in marriage, where it's okay to not know what you're doing right away.

God created marriage to be a place of love, commitment, and security for both the husband and the wife. Now, that union can be torn apart by selfishness or greed, which is why it's so important to fully committ. The whole point of marriage is based on a decision to stay by your spouse's side, for better or for worse. God only allows divorce where infidelity or abuse is concerned; otherwise, you're supposed to stand by the promise you made.
 
Schlosser85 said:
St. Paul, who called homosexuality the epitome of sin, also called slavery an acceptable social practice, and said slaves should obey their masters. Yea, there's someone who's idea of right and wrong is soooo relevant.
He also said he was simply using "slaves and masters" as an illustration, so people could better understand the nature of respect for authority.
 
What is that supposed to mean? In case you didn't know, everyone breathes through both their mouth and nose...and "knuckle dragging"? Never heard that term before.

He's calling you ape-like becaus your apparent ignorance and intolerance.
 
For people who always use that "compatibility" excuse, I have one thing to say: look down. If you're a man, and she's a woman...you're compatible! God created men and women to compliment each other in every way, even sexually. But like many other things in life, skill in lovemaking is not something you are born with; it is learned over time, and God intends for men and women to go through that journey together in marriage, where it's okay to not know what you're doing right away.

God created marriage to be a place of love, commitment, and security for both the husband and the wife. Now, that union can be torn apart by selfishness or greed, which is why it's so important to fully committ. The whole point of marriage is based on a decision to stay by your spouse's side, for better or for worse. God only allows divorce where infidelity or abuse is concerned; otherwise, you're supposed to stand by the promise you made.

Yeah, but there's more to it than just having the right equipment. By that definition, people don't really need to meet or date before hand, as long as one person is a man and the other is a woman, they should get along. Eventually they're learn how to deal with each other.
 
amazingfantasy15 said:
Yeah, but there's more to it than just having the right equipment. By that definition, people don't really need to meet or date before hand, as long as one person is a man and the other is a woman, they should get along. Eventually they're learn how to deal with each other.
True, but you specifically cited sexual compatibility, which is simple biology. If both a man or woman are nvolved, then sexual compatibility is present. It may take time to learn everything (as it should), but that doesn't mean they should do so without marrying. Also, you didn't mention emotional or spiritual compatibility until this post; I'm glad you brought it up, because so many couples focus mostly on the sexual aspects, and barely consider everything else that factors into a relationship.
 
Children of Same-Sex Couples Do as Well as Other Children
Medscape

Oct. 13, 2005 (Washington) — An analysis of multiple studies of 500 households shows that rearing children in a same-sex household does not affect the their self-esteem, gender identity, or emotional health, a Boston researcher reported.

"Pediatricians need to recognize that there are variations in families and learn what kind of advice to give them to optimize the child's development," said Ellen Perrin, MD, professor of pediatrics at Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston, Massachusetts.

The researcher and colleagues looked at data from 15 studies evaluating possible stigma, teasing, social isolation, adjustment, sexual orientation, and strengths. The findings were presented here at the American Academy of Pediatrics National Conference and Exhibition.

"The vast consensus of the studies is that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," Dr. Perrin said. "In some ways, children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures."

It has been estimated that one to six million children are being reared by committed lesbian or gay couples in this country. Some children were born to a heterosexual couple and later raised by a same-sex couple; others were placed in foster homes, were adopted, or conceived through a surrogate mother through artificial insemination.

Previous studies of same-sex parenting have been criticized for being biased, but Dr. Perrin said the research team was extremely careful to select only solid, evidence-based research for review.

Based on nine studies from 1981 to 1994 of 260 children, aged three to 11 years, reared by either heterosexual mothers or same sex-mothers after divorce, the researchers found there was no difference in intelligence of the children, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, or parental stress. "The children all had a similar emotional experiences with divorce," she said.

What they did find was that after divorce children being reared by lesbian mothers had more contact with fathers than children reared by divorced heterosexual mothers, Dr. Perrin said. "There are interesting suggestions that these children are more tolerant of differences."

A separate longitudinal study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and an equal number of children with divorced heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.

"What is exciting about this study was that they followed the children 11 years later when they became adults," Dr. Perrin said. "But they still found no difference in adjustment, self-esteem, psychiatric or psychological problems, family relationships, or in identifying sexual orientation."

Four other large studies of more than 100 couples that evaluated children either born or adopted into families found that same-sex parents were more likely to have contact with extended family for social support as well as a more equal division of labor in the home. However, children of same-sex parents did experience some stigmatization.

"The researchers found no differences in the parents other than that lesbian couples share household and child care tasks more equitably," said Dr. Perrin. "The children of lesbian couples also appeared to be less aggressive, more nurturing to peers, more tolerant of diversity, and more androgynous," playing with toys for both boys and girls.

A further analysis of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health used randomly selected representative data from 44 adolescents aged 12 to 18 years. The study compared children living with two women in a "marriage-like" relationship to teenagers living with two heterosexual parents.

The study showed that the adolescents were similar in intrapersonal adjustments such as self-esteem, depression, and anxiety. They also were similar in school success, family relationships, and neighborhood integration, Dr. Perrin said.

"What is striking is that there are very consistent findings in these studies," she concluded. "But further study conducted in a long-term systematic manner in community samples needs to be conducted."

Dr. Perrin pointed out that "as pediatricians we have a lot of different kinds of roles. We need to be extremely careful about confidentiality with these families and assure them that their family constellation won't be broadcast. This will give us a better chance of learning more about the family and providing needed advice and discussing some of the issues."

"This is valuable information," Carol Berkowitz, MD, told Medscape. She is the immediate past president of the AAP and professor and executive vice chair in the Department of Pediatrics at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, California. "This subject evokes a lot of emotions that have influenced some studies. Some studies in the past were weighted based on nothing more than their own views."

The value of this presentation is these are all evidence-based studies, Dr. Berkowitz said, adding this information will help pediatricians in their practices and for setting policy.

Can we stop arguing about whether same-sex couples should be allowed to raise children? Considering this study says that these children grow up just as normal as those raised by straight couples?
 
Children should not be raised to believe that homosexuality is morally acceptable. They shouldn't be raised to hate homosexuals, either...but they should be taught that it's the sin they're fighting, not the person. As Scripture often says, "Hate the sin, but love the sinner." These days, it seems like many homosexual advocates are saying, "Love the sinner by leaving the sin alone." That's not how it works with God, and it shouldn't be happening with us, either.

We should also teach children that slavery was ay-okay because the Bible condones slavery, correct?
 
Children of Same-Sex Couples Do as Well as Other Children
Medscape



Can we stop arguing about whether same-sex couples should be allowed to raise children? Considering this study says that these children grow up just as normal as those raised by straight couples?

Studies are often skewed to fit the reseachers preconcieved ideas.
 
We al suffer from that at some point, but that doesn't mean every stance against a subject is done out of fear. I understand homosexuality's true nature; it's a perversion, used by Satan to divide people that God intended to bond together.

See, now this is why I can't tolerate the bible. That is pure ignorance and completely out of place in today's world.

I'm not gay
Ok, I'll believe you. But, I will let you in on a lil secret. This

and that's the truth, whether you believe me or not.
is The Closet Homosexual's mantra.

It's not you saying this that makes me believe; it's the passion of how you slander and insult them which makes me believe you. :)

Except for the fact that God says it's wrong, which is reason enough to stand against it.
If God told you to go to a local school and shoot everyone - irrespective of whether you think He would ask that of you - would you?

What is the point of people trying their hardest to be politically correct and more understanding towards various minorities (which, in most cases, are not minorities any more) when one of the biggest, long-running businesses in the world teaches such ignorance and hate towards your fellow man?
 
Studies are often skewed to fit the reseachers preconcieved ideas.

AKA when the facts disagree with you the facts are wrong. I suppose there's some global conspiracy between the world's scientists to make gays look good? :whatever:
 
Studies are often skewed to fit the reseachers preconcieved ideas.

The researchers used five hundred households with homosexual parents. Had they used seven, I would understand your argument; but five hundred is a large enough sample size that it would be nearly impossible to skew the results of this study, which studied these households over the course of thirteen years.
 
Eggyman said:
See, now this is why I can't tolerate the bible. That is pure ignorance and completely out of place in today's world.
Why is it ignorance to recognize sin as sin?

It's not you saying this that makes me believe; it's the passion of how you slander and insult them which makes me believe you.
How many times do I have ot say this: I'm not speaking against the people themselves, just their choices.

If God told you to go to a local school and shoot everyone - irrespective of whether you think He would ask that of you - would you?
Such a thing is not supported or endorsed by Scripture, so no I wouldn't. God doesn't go against his Word, and for Him to command outright murder would be completely against His character.

What is the point of people trying their hardest to be politically correct and more understanding towards various minorities...when one of the biggest, long-running businesses in the world teaches such ignorance and hate towards your fellow man?
This issue arises because many people simply don't want to be told that what they do is wrong. Many in the world think on some level, "I want to be able to do whatever I want, live my life however I want, and still know that everything is fine between me and God." Well, guess what...it doesn't work that way. If it did, world peace would've become a reality centuries ago.
 
What is that supposed to mean? In case you didn't know, everyone breathes through both their mouth and nose...and "knuckle dragging"? Never heard that term before.

I'm saying that people who need to hide their hate and their ignorance behind a stupid little book and a silly little invisible man in the sky... are idiots.

And to explain further, just for you now:
Mouth-breather means someone who just sits there with their mouth open looking like they are trying to catch flies...

Knuckle draggers is how you call someone an ape or a lesser evolved human. If you don't know the basic biology of your closest relative in the animal kingdom... god help you. :hehe:
 
I'm saying that people who need to hide their hate and their ignorance behind a stupid little book and a silly little invisible man in the sky... are idiots.

And to explain further, just for you now:
Mouth-breather means someone who just sits there with their mouth open looking like they are trying to catch flies...

Knuckle draggers is how you call someone an ape or a lesser evolved human. If you don't know the basic biology of your closest relative in the animal kingdom... god help you. :hehe:

Having to explain the insult sort of takes the magic out of it. :( Nice avie though.
 
Having to explain the insult sort of takes the magic out of it. :( Nice avie though.

I know... :csad: and thanks! :woot:

If I were insulting Moviefan in person, I would just repeat the insult much slower also waving my hands in fake sign language. Sadly the internet has taken away that option...and I had to resort to explanation. :csad:
 
Why is it ignorance to recognize sin as sin?

These PEOPLE we are talking about are proud with the life they lead and the CHOICES they have made. People associate 'sin' with 'bad'. You are saying they are leading 'bad' lives. You are attacking people's way of life, and they are proud of who they are . . .

How many times do I have ot say this: I'm not speaking against the people themselves, just their choices.
. . . because it's choices that define the person. Speaking against their choice is speaking against them personally. Who are we without choice? We would be blank pieces of paper. Every choice we make defines us more as people, as individuals. We are measured by are choices all the time - by loved ones, by employers, by the CHURCH.

Such a thing is not supported or endorsed by Scripture, so no I wouldn't. God doesn't go against his Word, and for Him to command outright murder would be completely against His character.
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This issue arises because many people simply don't want to be told that what they do is wrong. Many in the world think on some level, "I want to be able to do whatever I want, live my life however I want, and still know that everything is fine between me and God." Well, guess what...it doesn't work that way. If it did, world peace would've become a reality centuries ago.
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World Peace hasn't got a chance at emerging any time soon. With things like religion and politics becoming entangled and causing wars from the simplicity of 'I'm right, you're wrong' disagreements. 'My God's bigger than your God' . . .

Yeh, that along with human nature - world peace does not, has never, and will never stand a chance.


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