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Batman Begins The REAL Batman by Jett

ChrisBaleBatman said:
Wow. Abo****ely, postively right on the nail. That IS The REAL Batman. The one each of us see in our minds and hearts, and honestly.....no a single person can tell any of us differently, wheter you see the real Batman as Keaton, or as Kilmer or as Bale........not a single person can convince any of us as to which is the REAL one because honestly, they all are to different people.

Yet nearly half a year prior to this I came up with the exact same concept,but all I got was, , "UR JUST FIGHTING IN EVERYONES CORNER." "YOUR MAKING A TYPICAL FANBOY MISTAKE" You yourself ChrisBaleBatman are in that same topic, disregarding what I said!! I find it hilarious that here you are now, of course said by a "all knowing true Batman fan" he can't be wrong you agree full heartedly. I just find it so fricking funny how even though no one wants to admit it, these message boards all have little cliques and whatnot. I said I wasn't a hardcore Batman fan so there was no way i was right at all. But when Jett says it. Hehe, see what I'm getting at. Funny stuff.

Heres the link http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197306

Read it and weep, its only a page long. Met with sarcasm of course, and jackasses named Odin's Lapdog. Don't discount the casual fan's view on things all the time, thats why big fans of anything not just Batman, like Star Wars or whatever, are looked as being stuck up or on a high horse when it comes to whatever they are fans of. Theres a lesson to be learned here boys and......girl.
 
The article doesn't get any better in time. A bunch of questions and the most obvious answer.

I'm sorry Ocelot that you need to be called Jett and have a website to be taken seriously.
 
Two Face said:
Shumacher is fan of 60s TV Batman show, I doubt he ever read a single Batman comic.

He's proberbaly seen more of them than you have - he's clearly read the 1940s and 1950s Batman comics, which some posters on these boards are completely unaware of .
 
I have always liked the dark bat in the shadows but i hate the blue detective with the bright yellow symbol,in my mind he has always had that sort of curse from that bat and it wont leave him alone, basicaly bruce is lost, there is only batman,forever. I think they explained that well in begins and i think frank miller shows he knows him verywell if you have read the dark knight returns!!!
 
El Payaso said:
you need to be called Jett and have a website to be taken seriously.
Actually... No, you dont.
 
Yet nearly half a year prior to this I came up with the exact same concept,but all I got was, , "UR JUST FIGHTING IN EVERYONES CORNER." "YOUR MAKING A TYPICAL FANBOY MISTAKE" You yourself ChrisBaleBatman are in that same topic, disregarding what I said!! I find it hilarious that here you are now, of course said by a "all knowing true Batman fan" he can't be wrong you agree full heartedly. I just find it so fricking funny how even though no one wants to admit it, these message boards all have little cliques and whatnot. I said I wasn't a hardcore Batman fan so there was no way i was right at all. But when Jett says it. Hehe, see what I'm getting at. Funny stuff.

Half a Year ago......??

Dude......that's like, a million years ago.........it's hard to even remember what happened last week.

Plus, Batman Begins hadn't been released......we were all in our corners, and peace was not an option.

This is what I had posted in that relic thread (btw.....you might want to keep your relic collection of threads that have wronged you more under wraps......people might start to wonder if your....well, crazy...er...not that you are....err....).

Not so bad a thing to say, I think.
Faitfulness.....keeping to the core material is key. That's it. It's true.
Faithful-ness does count for something.

The biggest mistake that people make is thinking it has to be EXACTLY like the comics......that's not true.

Things like characteristics and major points of the characters are what really matters.....and Batman Begins got it right. BATMAN just didn't do enough of that for me......it was a good movie......but Batman Begins does too many things right in my mind.
 
As much as I don't like Jett, he's right. Although it's an awfully PC ideal.

My ideal Batman is Michael Keaton/Tim Burton's portrayal, with Conroy's from TAS a very, very close second.
 
DocLathropBrown said:
My ideal Batman is Michael Keaton/Tim Burton's portrayal, with Conroy's from TAS a very, very close second.

Keaton better than Conroy?! All right, WTF are you smoking? :dry:
 
batadz, would that be Stockport, Manchester England?

If so.. OoOoooo.

Kevin Conroy is the Batman for me.
 
Fenrir said:
Keaton better than Conroy?! All right, WTF are you smoking? :dry:
That's just my preference. Conroy is just a voice, whereas Keaton is a voice and a physical manifestation of the Batman.
 
DocLathropBrown said:
That's just my preference. Conroy is just a voice, whereas Keaton is a voice and a physical manifestation of the Batman.

Keaton? A "physical manifestation of Batman"?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D
 
That's what I love about Batman. He has so many interpretations.
 
Fenrir said:
Keaton? A "physical manifestation of Batman"?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

It's good to see you've mastered the art of respecting opinions. :cwink:

Naw, I get what you mean. Bale definitely looked right, body-wise. But Keaton still fit. He had a certain litheness. And those eyes! You could always sense there was something detached about him as Wayne, yet you could also never have suspected he was Batman. Bruce's greatest disguise, as both Bruce and Batman, and as played by Keaton, was his subtle nature. He was calm, collected and quiet, but when needed, he could suddenly lash out, and then fade away again, without a trace. A *true* Batman.
 
Cryogenic said:
It's good to see you've mastered the art of respecting opinions. :cwink:

Yes, and from that it must be easy for you to tell that I only respect opinions that deserve respect, not some senseless fanboy rambling. Saying that Keaton was a great Batman in terms of physicality is like saying Batman Begins was the greatest film of all time. And I know how intorelably despicable that very notion is to Burtonites. ;)

Naw, I get what you mean. Bale definitely looked right, body-wise.

He definitely was the only one who had come closest to the comic book interpretation as "a physical manifestation of the character".

But Keaton still fit. He had a certain litheness. And those eyes! You could always sense there was something detached about him as Wayne, yet you could also never have suspected he was Batman. Bruce's greatest disguise, as both Bruce and Batman, and as played by Keaton, was his subtle nature. He was calm, collected and quiet, but when needed, he could suddenly lash out, and then fade away again, without a trace. A *true* Batman.

No, Keaton didn't fit. If it weren't for his amazing performance, Keaton would probably have been the worst Batman ever, even worse than Clooney. Fortunately, he gave a pretty solid portrayal of the character, but even then it's not hard to notice that he was quite lacking in many aspects. First off all, Bruce Wayne is not some slim and short guy who looks like he's sufferring from hair-loss. Rather he is someone who has spent years training perfecting his mind and body to be able to undertake and withstand his never-ending war on crime and Keaton looked nothing like that, especially when you consider that Batman is a master of a wide variety of martial arts, weaponry and athletics. Yes, Bruce is in fact a brooding, obsessive figure but at the same time, he's also a dashing playboy socialite who always stands out even in the most elitest of circles.

But Keaton's Bruce Wayne was never the dominant, charming playboy Bruce is in the comics. Instead, his take was playing Bruce more as an everyman with slightly goofball tendencies who can easily disappear into a crowd and no one would ever notice. Heck, Burton himself admitted that one of the reasons for his choice of Keaton was that he wanted someone who could bring some of the average Joe qualities to the character. What he didn't realize that the Bruce Wayne is the farthest thing from your regular everyman as humanly possible. As a sole heir to one of the wealthiest, most influential families in all of Gotham, trying to instill such mundane qualities in Bruce Wayne is sheer stupidity because it completely messes up the identity of *who* the character really is. If you want an average Joe, then Peter Parker is what you want, not Bruce Wayne.

And that is why Keaton will never be the definitive Batman to anyone who wants a Batman/Bruce Wayne that is closer to the comics instead of some offshoot personal interpretation of a director. Sure, despite his inadequacies, I still hold Keaton's Batman performance as the one that set the standard, but his overall portrayal of the character will always be incomplete no thanks to a lacking Bruce Wayne. A *true* Batman Keaton may be, but let's not forget that Batman is only one of the three faces of the character.
 
Fenrir said:
Yes, and from that it must be easy for you to tell that I only respect opinions that deserve respect, not some senseless fanboy rambling. Saying that Keaton was a great Batman in terms of physicality is like saying Batman Begins was the greatest film of all time. And I know how intorelably despicable that very notion is to Burtonites. ;)

I am sure that that notion is equally "intolerably despicable" to anyone that knows anything about the rich and varied history of filmmaking. :cwink:

Fenrir said:
Heck, Burton himself admitted that one of the reasons for his choice of Keaton was that he wanted someone who could bring some of the average Joe qualities to the character. What he didn't realize that the Bruce Wayne is the farthest thing from your regular everyman as humanly possible. As a sole heir to one of the wealthiest, most influential families in all of Gotham, trying to instill such mundane qualities in Bruce Wayne is sheer stupidity because it completely messes up the identity of *who* the character really is. If you want an average Joe, then Peter Parker is what you want, not Bruce Wayne.

Actually, I think Keaton was cast for being an incredible actor, and because he had a strong flair for comedy, thus making his presence something of a commentary by Burton on the absurdity of Batman. But you're right that he also had some "average Joe" qualities. These are the qualities that Burton fed into the fabric of his Batman films and built a dichotomy out of: i.e. Keaton's Bruce may look average and unassuming, but he's anything but.
 
Cryogenic said:
I am sure that that notion is equally "intolerably despicable" to anyone that knows anything about the rich and varied history of filmmaking. :cwink:

You might be patting yourself on the back for conjuring up yet another witty response, yet you probably haven't realized that you just agreed with my assertion about Keaton being a great Batman in terms of physicality very much ridiculous. Semantics...gotta love' em. :up:

Actually, I think Keaton was cast for being an incredible actor, and because he had a strong flair for comedy, thus making his presence something of a commentary by Burton on the absurdity of Batman.

What you think about Keaton being cast is both irrelevant and inconsequential when compared to what Burton himself said regarding his decision to cast him.

But you're right that he also had some "average Joe" qualities. These are the qualities that Burton fed into the fabric of his Batman films and built a dichotomy out of: i.e. Keaton's Bruce may look average and unassuming, but he's anything but.

But that's what is wrong with Keaton's Bruce. Bruce Wayne is not average or unassuming nor does he look like it. Period. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea about who or what Bruce Wayne is.
 
Sigh... I'm surprised not one of you guys figured this out yet.
There is no definitive Batman, there is no definitive contuinity, there is no definitive costume or cowl.

It's your imagination that makes "The Batman" who he is.
You make up your own definitive Batman by the stories you have seen, read and heard. You make up your own continuity no matter how DC want's to form it. It's comics it's fantasy there's no making sense of it, except for the story you make of it.
 
raybia said:
THE "REAL" BATMAN
Author: Jett
Wednesday, February 1, 2006

Who is the “real” Batman?

Is he The Dark Knight? Or is he The Caped Crusader?

Is his suit a costume or battle gear? And is it gray and black, blue and gray, or all black? Does he wear tights or body armor? Is his bat symbol found within a yellow oval or spread wide across his chest?

Does the real Batman have long or short ears on his cowl? Are his eyes covered by lenses? Is the cape for theatricality, or does it have a specific function?

Does his utility belt have pouches like a policeman or a soldier, or does it have narrow cylinders?

Does he use a batarang and rope to get from building to building, or a grapling gun instead?

Is Bruce Wayne psychotic, crazy perhaps? Or is he just really dedicated to his “mission?”

Does his universe exist in a dark, macabre, fantastic netherworld? Or does he exist in a place almost as “real” as ours -- just with a few “odd” characters?

Is he The Bat-Man who doesn’t oppose carrying a lethal weapon and using it from time to time? Is he Batman whose adventures may take him into outer space or back in time? Is he Batman, honorary member of the Gotham City Police Force. Is he The Batman, Darknight Detective -- a vigilante solving crimes much like a freaky, badass Sherlock Holmes?

Does the real Batman only appear at night, or could we find him in the middle of the day at some public event?

Should the real Batman operate solo, or should he have allies such as Robin? Was Ace The Bat-hound, Bat-Woman, Bat-Girl, and Bat-Mite ever part of the real Batman’s world?

Was the 60s TV show with Adam West the real Batman?

On the big screen, was the real Batman realized in BATMAN? BATMAN RETURNS? BATMAN FOREVER? BATMAN AND ROBIN? Or perhaps BATMAN BEGINS?

Right now, think “Batman,” envision him with your mind's eye. There he is, see him?

The real Batman.

So the answer to all these questions is a collective “yes,” because the only “real” Batman is the one that exists in our heads.

And in the hearts of all Batman fans as well.


"Jett" is the editor-in-chief of BATMAN ON FILM and BATMAN IN COMICS.


Pretentiously stating the obvious, that's Batman-on-film.
 
DKR is the tha REAL shiit. Tha REAL BATMAN and that is final. If you can't realise such an obvious thing then you are clearly a fanboy moron with no understanding of what tha bat is all about.
 

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