The REAL Marvel issue numbers....

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  1. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Ok, I've seen a few comments here and there about the numbering on all of our favorite Marvel characters. Now, the following may be misleading, especially for fans of the Hulk, Thor and Captn America (because they started their runs after their anthology books were finished, but kept the old numbering systems). Nonetheless, I've tried my best to figure out exactly what the numbers should be today. (I've not counted the anthology appearances, because then I'd have to include minimal appearances by some characters in Strange Tales, as well as Amazing fantasy #15 for Spidey)

    Fantastic Four #500

    FF#1-416 vol.1
    FF#1-13 vol.2
    FF#1-71 vol.3

    Amazing Spider-Man #496

    ASM#1-441 vol.1
    ASM#1-55 vol.2

    Avengers #490

    Avengers#1-402 vol.1
    Avengers#1-13 vol.2
    Avengers#1-69 vol.3

    Thor #443

    Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
    Thor#1-66 vol.2

    Hulk #436

    Hulk#1-6 vol.1
    Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
    Hulk#1-57 vol.3

    Captain America #433

    Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
    Captain America#1-13 vol.2
    Captain America#1-50 vol.3
    Captain America#1-15 vol.4

    DareDevil #429

    DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
    DareDevil#1-49 vol.2

    Iron Man #415

    Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
    Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
    Iron Man#1-70 vol.3


    Well, that's a wrap.
    I think I got all the heavy hitters.

    Let the debate begin.... :)

    Cheers... :batman:
     
    #1 Themanofbat, Jul 12, 2003
  2. The Hobgoblin

    The Hobgoblin Guest

    A couple of questions my Batty friend,

    Tales of Suspense.... Do I take it that Cap continued with the numbering of that and Iron Man was given a complete new numbering for his first solo book?

    Or was it just the case that Cap was the character that kept selling and Iron Man was restarted at a later date after TOS ended?
     
    #2 The Hobgoblin, Jul 12, 2003
  3. TheCorpulent1

    TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Ah, Themanofbat. Your anal retentive attention to detail is an inspiration to us all. :D
     
    #3 TheCorpulent1, Jul 12, 2003
  4. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Tales of Suspense #99 was released in March 1968, and Cap #100 came out the following month in April. Hulk #102 was also released in April 1968. Iron Man #1 came out in May of 1968, as did Captain Marvel #1 and the SubMariner #1. June saw Dr.Strange #169 (formerly Strange Tales) and Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD #1. Silver Surfer #1 debuted in August 1968.

    The reason for all those releases in 1968 was the simple fact that all comic sales were in decline... except for Marvel. Harvey, Archie, and Dell had cancelled all their superhero titles and Marvel, who was now selling over 50 million comics per year, finally had the strength to renegotiate their distribution deal. After this deal was signed, many of their characters expanded into their own titles, as noted above.

    Cheers... :batman:
     
    #4 Themanofbat, Jul 12, 2003
  5. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    It's my life...
    It's my pride...

    ;)
     
    #5 Themanofbat, Jul 12, 2003
  6. The Hobgoblin

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    So....

    Captain America was at #102 when Iron Man was at #2?

    So when did Captain America get relaunched as Vol.2 #1? Was that Heroes Reborn?

    I know Iron Man vol.2 was the Heroes Reborn storyline - and it wasn't a good one.
     
    #6 The Hobgoblin, Jul 13, 2003
  7. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Yes, the 4 books that came out of the horrible "Heroes Reborn" were indeed Captain America, Iron Man, the Avengers & the Fantastic Four. You'll kindly note that those 4 books have a 13 issue vol.2 run, and when they came back to the regular Marvel Universe, they all relaunched again with a third volume.
     
    #7 Themanofbat, Jul 13, 2003
  8. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Back in 1968, the "First issue = more sales" mentality probably wasn't as prevalent as it is today. They probably decided on keeping the old numbering for people who were buying the books at that time and were following issue numbers, just so they wouldn't get too confused....

    I don't really know why.... :confused:

    :(
     
    #8 Themanofbat, Jul 13, 2003
  9. The Hobgoblin

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    So Cap has been relaunched twice after Heroes Reborn? I take it he just got cancelled at #50 of Vol.3 and then given a new lease of life post-911?!

    Am I right or am I right?
     
    #9 The Hobgoblin, Jul 13, 2003
  10. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Yes.

    I would say so... the first story arc had Cap fighting a bunch of terrorists, and the story telling was just dripping with Americana patriotism.

    The fact that Marvel felt they could sell a few more titles with yet again, another #1 really leaves me wondering......
     
    #10 Themanofbat, Jul 14, 2003
  11. Lord Blackbolt

    Lord Blackbolt Avenger

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    they shouldn't count that crappy Heroes Reborn volumes....
     
    #11 Lord Blackbolt, Jul 15, 2003
  12. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    This is a great thread. :)
     
    #12 Themanofbat, Oct 10, 2003
  13. CantThinkOfAName

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    When are you gonna get out of your denial, manofbat:mad: The REAL numbers are the ones that appear on the cover. Acceptance of this is the first step toward getting into Nu Marvel:) Who knows, maybe one day youll be reading Ultimate Spider-Man:eek::)
     
    #13 CantThinkOfAName, Oct 11, 2003
  14. Johnny Blaze

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    Hopefully, they will return The Avengers back to it's original numbering when it hits the big 5-0-0.
     
    #14 Johnny Blaze, Oct 11, 2003
  15. dk

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    Marvel should do away with #2 issues, and simply release a new #1 every single month for every title they publish.

    It's practically gotten to that point, so why not just take it all the way?
     
    #15 dk, Oct 11, 2003
  16. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    Now THERE'S an idea.... :D :D :D

    Imagine... every month would be a special collector's edition issue... :)

    ;)
     
    #16 Themanofbat, Oct 11, 2003
  17. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    While I've been tempted to pick up the trades (in recent moments of weakness), I don't see myself getting into the NEW Ultimate Marvel.

    :)
     
    #17 Themanofbat, Oct 11, 2003
  18. The Hobgoblin

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    Tempted eh?

    A self TMOBbing is on the horizon.... I can tell.

    Dirty boy. :D
     
    #18 The Hobgoblin, Oct 11, 2003
  19. nabob1982

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    if every issue were a special edition, it would be like we time warped back to the early/mid 90's
     
    #19 nabob1982, Oct 27, 2003
  20. Movies205

    Movies205 Corporate Money

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    I have a question, by FF4 going back to orignal numbering can it use history from the orignal series?
     
    #20 Movies205, Oct 27, 2003
  21. Lord Blackbolt

    Lord Blackbolt Avenger

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    it always did before.
     
    #21 Lord Blackbolt, Oct 27, 2003
  22. Jugsy

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    just because they're re-launched doesn't mean they star again. LIke with Spec #1 you'd expect them to do spidey's origin, but's just pete moving to a knew house, making friends, then going after Venom.
     
    #22 Jugsy, Oct 28, 2003
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    What was the point of relaunching with a new number system?
     
    #23 Movies205, Oct 28, 2003
  24. Nightcrawler17

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    It's a way for Marvel to attract new readers. That's why they gave Wolverine a new #1 six months ago.
     
    #24 Nightcrawler17, Oct 28, 2003
  25. Themanofbat

    Themanofbat Never Mind the Buttocks...

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    With all teh recent talk about Thor reaching #500 first, I thought we should revisit this thread.

    Let's have an update here.... :)

    Fantastic Four #513

    FF#1-416, 501-513 vol.1
    FF#1-13 vol.2
    FF#1-71 vol.3

    Amazing Spider-Man #508

    ASM#1-441, 501-508 vol.1
    ASM#1-59 vol.2

    Avengers #498

    Avengers#1-402 vol.1
    Avengers#1-13 vol.2
    Avengers#1-83 vol.3

    Thor #456

    Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
    Thor#1-79 vol.2

    Hulk #451

    Hulk#1-6 vol.1
    Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
    Hulk#1-72 vol.3

    Captain America #444

    Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
    Captain America#1-13 vol.2
    Captain America#1-50 vol.3
    Captain America#1-26 vol.4

    DareDevil #440

    DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
    DareDevil#1-60 vol.2

    Iron Man #428

    Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
    Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
    Iron Man#1-83 vol.3

    Spectacular Spider-Man #278

    SSM#1-263 vol.1
    SSM#1-15 vol.2
     
    #25 Themanofbat, May 31, 2004
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